CovValleyBoy
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We beat Albion under Robins.
Vik pen late on at home. Midweek match.
But let's move on. Back Frank.
We would have been better off with Robins (7 Viewers)
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Vik pen late on at home. Midweek match.
But let's move on. Back Frank.
Calista
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Seems to me that almost every game this season could have gone either way (only Leeds and Burnley have wiped the floor with us).
We have a nasty habit of lapses at the back and missing chances, which inevitably means we've lost more than we've won. Just the same under Lampard (early days) as Robins.
On here, when we win the squad is playoff material, when we lose it's League One. The reality is we're competing in a very tight league and like most teams we are pretty average, blowing hot and cold.
We have a nasty habit of lapses at the back and missing chances, which inevitably means we've lost more than we've won. Just the same under Lampard (early days) as Robins.
On here, when we win the squad is playoff material, when we lose it's League One. The reality is we're competing in a very tight league and like most teams we are pretty average, blowing hot and cold.
chiefdave
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Given that he was not appointed by King and its generally agreed that recruitment has nosedived since he became involved is it not a bit of a worry that a) he hasn't been sacked and b) appears to have King's ear as the go to on footballing matters?
Can hardly imagine he would be due a huge pay off so why is he the one who appears untouchable?
We'll_live_and_die
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I'm not reading the rest of this thread but in reply to the Op, we would've been better with Robins and Adi. Not just Robins.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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You say that but we've got a decent COO in with a decent background, Claire-Marie Roberts I can take or leave but hopefully FL is more on her wave length.
FL now has two good coaches under him with decent CVs.
The DoF appointment has to be right though and needs to come in with real experience and a decent track record to ensure the recruitment is right but also to get everyone on the same page and implement a programme which everyone can work to.
David O'Day
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If Robins was the manager then we probably get done by a much bigger amount last night.
Sky Blue Goblin
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I still don’t think the recruitment is all bad. We’ve got some decent scouts and a good network especially better than it was before.
We’ve got decent players but the big issue imo, is the lack of leaders and it’s hard to judge on that as we don’t know who is to blame for final judgement.
Take Browne for example, would have been perfect for us but if Robins had final say and said let’s get Marko, then I blame Robins for the squad spinelessness. If it’s Doug or Austin same applies.
I will maintain the squad is decent, just needs some leadership in it to get it going
shmmeee
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Roberts is in het first proper job and I really don’t get the entire role of Performanxe Director at her level. Someone in charge of player fitness under the management team fair enough, but why you need that at board level I’m not sure. The coaches that haven’t left are generally in their first first team role. Austin is in his first Head of Recruitment role of any significance, King his first chairman role in football. I don’t know much about the COO. I just haven’t seen anything but some nice landscape gardening that I think it an improvement on Dave Boddy with a fag packet and a pocket full of pennies.
chiefdave
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Well we appointed someone in a director level position whose role was specifically stated to include exactly that so I think that's probably where I would start if that question is being asked.
Chris1987
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Sincerely hope you're right
Roberts is at board level?
alexccfc99
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The players are just shit, simple
I’d have canned pretty much all of them before Robins and I’d can pretty much all of them before Lampard
Other than Haji Wright any player we have could be sold tomorrow and I probably wouldn’t shed one tear
I’m done pissing away money, effort and annual leave following this squad of players as much as possible, I’m not enthusiastic about them enough to continue justifying it - To get served the slop we did at Burnley and last night in the middle of the week with work the next day is a kick in the teeth in particular
I’d have canned pretty much all of them before Robins and I’d can pretty much all of them before Lampard
Other than Haji Wright any player we have could be sold tomorrow and I probably wouldn’t shed one tear
I’m done pissing away money, effort and annual leave following this squad of players as much as possible, I’m not enthusiastic about them enough to continue justifying it - To get served the slop we did at Burnley and last night in the middle of the week with work the next day is a kick in the teeth in particular
clint van damme
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So how did they manage to go on such a good run for 3 months last season?
I mean, I'm pretty much with you, they look below average to me, but they hit an incredible vein of form for at least a 3rd of last season, how did that happen?
torchomatic
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Sky Blue Goblin
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I mean director of recruitment would fall below director of football. Without one it appeared as though Robins was one half of that leadership group.
Again the waters are really muddled when it comes to responsibility in this matter imo
SeaSeeEffCee
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You know it’s bad when you’re negative, mate!
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I would imagine that the Director of Football would be in charge of negotiations with potential targets and will work exclusively with the Head of Recruitment / FL on the overall recruitment strategy as well as on any potential exits.
The Head of Recruitment will likely deal with the day-to-day stuff, liaise with his team of scouts week on week, and help in the building of player target lists. Undoubtedly throughout the season they themselves will also probably go to see key targets in the flesh as well.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Imagine this will be the case as well. But since we didn’t have one when the squad was built and Robins would almost of been the de facto one. Hard to blame dean without having a uncomfortable look at Mark
alexccfc99
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Mate honestly, you know I’ve stuck up for this squad numerous times this season but even my patience has been completely drained with them, it’s the same shit goals to concede and same basic errors week after week and it is showing no signs of changing
They take one step forward on Saturday and then two immediately back once again, I don’t think it’s down to a lack of effort or care I just don’t think they are very good
For what it’s worth I don’t think we will be getting relegated there is enough there to not go down or be near it but I think we’ll be mired in the bottom half - After we all talked this season and squad up in the summer what a damp squib
Oh well, of all the clubs in the country we were probably the ones due a pretty dull and insipid season after the last few years
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I think it's more than an uncomfortable look. Placing blame solely on Austin without holding Robins to account as well is frankly idiotic to be honest.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Completely agree
shmmeee
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I think if a guy goes six years with a great record with one person then that person goes and they have a shit record with another person it’s pretty fucking clear where the answer lies. But I’m not desperately trying to tarnish the reputation of the best manager for a generation to save internet points.
I would call it Doug.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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My biggest gripe with Boddy was that commercially he just didn't have a clue and was happy fishing in the same pond rather than going out and trying to align the club with brands / corporate partners that would actually make a tangible difference to the club's bottom line.
If you think about how many eyes, not only domestically, but globally, that are on Championship football week in week out, the advertising potential is huge and appeals to a different calibre of business.
Yet all Boddy / Tynan were doing was knocking on the local estate agents door porridge bowl in hand.
shmmeee
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Ultimately I don’t care if it doesn’t translate onto the pitch. Give me a season in the PL as Luton over a lifetime in the Championship as Stoke any day.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Not tarnishing Robins but the good doesn’t erase the bad and vice versa.
Even if you subscribe to all three having equal authority than all three have some blame. Without being there we can’t say who had final say. If it’s true the club pissed Browne off by chasing marko, then the only fair way to say who’s at fault would be the final decision maker on that.
Nick
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Ay?
KenilworthSkyBlue
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You physically can't absolve Robins of all blame for the recruitment when he was the one that took the decision to appoint his mate over someone who's actually qualified in what is a massively important role.
His prior success at the club has nothing to do with this.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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But it does translate to the pitch. It's helped the club offer competitive wages which are in line with much of the league. Rather than have a bottom feeder wage budget which sees them having to recruit the likes of Bright Enobakhare or Marcel Hilssner.
Unfortunately because the recruitment has been so awful it's not apparent.
I talked to Doug once too. You should show more respect to me as a board level employee of CCFC.
Sky Blue Goblin
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To be honest, I’d rather not having the looming financial panic every season and be Stoke then go back to how it was off the field but each to there own.