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shmmeee

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No idea. The article doesn’t say, even if 26 are planted how long before they reach maturity?

32. And I don’t know. But you make infrastructure decisions for decades. Looking at the pictures it’s not exactly 250 year old oaks that are being torn down.

The PR focus is on trees cos that’s where public sympathy lies but if you read the actual complaints being made it’s the usual crap.
 

Marty

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I think they do these projects all wrong. They should do them properly from the start. Buy up one side of the roads houses, and use the newly created space properly, could have dedicated bus lane, dedicated cycle lanes, space reserved for future mass transit projects (trams etc). Obviously would cost an absolute fortune, but there seems to be no real plan, just squeeze in whatever is popular at the time and be done with it.
 

shmmeee

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I think they do these projects all wrong. They should do them properly from the start. Buy up one side of the roads houses, and use the newly created space properly, could have dedicated bus lane, dedicated cycle lanes, space reserved for future mass transit projects (trams etc). Obviously would cost an absolute fortune, but there seems to be no real plan, just squeeze in whatever is popular at the time and be done with it.

Would be stuck in legal hell for decades before a single house got demolished.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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32. And I don’t know. But you make infrastructure decisions for decades. Looking at the pictures it’s not exactly 250 year old oaks that are being torn down.

The PR focus is on trees cos that’s where public sympathy lies but if you read the actual complaints being made it’s the usual crap.
Might surprise a few on here but in general I'm all for getting rid of the trees planted along residential streets. They cause far more problems than they solve, which basically amounts to a little bit of air cleaning, maybe a bit of drainage and maybe some shade in the summer.

On the minus side
- they take up a lot of pavement space and therefore pedestrian space
- are a huge hazard along pavements, especially for those with buggies/wheelchairs, increasingly so as theygrow and make the pavement uneven affecting those with mobility problems.
- a lot of the trees they use cover cars in the sticky pollen in the summer.
- in terms of wildlife the main things that live in them are pigeons crapping on your car.
- because they get tarmaced etc right up to the trunk and can't get access to water etc most of them are in poor health anyway.
- when the leaves fall they create a slippy mess on the pavement/roads as we have less money for clearing them up.
- maintenance of the trees with branch cutting etc is also an area councils could cut costs if the trees weren't there.
- potential for damage to underground infrastructure and in some small cases damage to houses either by the roots or an unsafe tree toppling over in a storm
- prevent parking (either roadside or potential access to front drives)

And the thing I find from a lot of those complaining is they have tarmaced drives and brick walls/fences around their garden. Get all the residents to plant hedges for their boundaries and that would be far more beneficial for wildlife, the environment and be a windbreak and air/noise pollutant reducer. They could even plant their own small tree on their own property if they wanted.
 

shmmeee

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Might surprise a few on here but in general I'm all for getting rid of the trees planted along residential streets. They cause far more problems than they solve, which basically amounts to a little bit of air cleaning, maybe a bit of drainage and maybe some shade in the summer.

On the minus side
- they take up a lot of pavement space and therefore pedestrian space
- are a huge hazard along pavements, especially for those with buggies/wheelchairs, increasingly so as theygrow and make the pavement uneven affecting those with mobility problems.
- a lot of the trees they use cover cars in the sticky pollen in the summer.
- in terms of wildlife the main things that live in them are pigeons crapping on your car.
- because they get tarmaced etc right up to the trunk and can't get access to water etc most of them are in poor health anyway.
- when the leaves fall they create a slippy mess on the pavement/roads as we have less money for clearing them up.
- maintenance of the trees with branch cutting etc is also an area councils could cut costs if the trees weren't there.
- potential for damage to underground infrastructure and in some small cases damage to houses either by the roots or an unsafe tree toppling over in a storm
- prevent parking (either roadside or potential access to front drives)

And the thing I find from a lot of those complaining is they have tarmaced drives and brick walls/fences around their garden. Get all the residents to plant hedges for their boundaries and that would be far more beneficial for wildlife, the environment and be a windbreak and air/noise pollutant reducer. They could even plant their own small tree on their own property if they wanted.

nah street trees are great. And when they go roads look 1000% grimmer, I agree if replaced with proper front gardens then there’s no need. I’ve long said it’s not really practical (maybe now with drones and AI?) but I’d love some kind of council tax rebate for things like a green front or even putting Christmas lights up and other public facing stuff.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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nah street trees are great. And when they go roads look 1000% grimmer, I agree if replaced with proper front gardens then there’s no need. I’ve long said it’s not really practical (maybe now with drones and AI?) but I’d love some kind of council tax rebate for things like a green front or even putting Christmas lights up and other public facing stuff.
I knew it wouldn't be popular and a lot would disagree, but I stand by what I posted.

I have family that live in a street with trees and it's an absolute mess. Other family that live on a similar road without and it looks much, much cleaner.
 

shmmeee

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I knew it wouldn't be popular and a lot would disagree, but I stand by what I posted.

I have family that live in a street with trees and it's an absolute mess. Other family that live on a similar road without and it looks much, much cleaner.

Do you also like fake grass and concrete back garden out of interest?

I don’t see “cleaner” as better. Hospitals are clean, I wouldn’t want to live in one.
 

MalcSB

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32. And I don’t know. But you make infrastructure decisions for decades. Looking at the pictures it’s not exactly 250 year old oaks that are being torn down.

The PR focus is on trees cos that’s where public sympathy lies but if you read the actual complaints being made it’s the usual crap.
NOYt a nimby issue for me, nowhere near my back yard.I bet that if the locals wanted the trees removed because of loss of light in their homes or the leaves, the council would have told them to fuck off. So they will be removed to create a double lane cycle way for the lycra brigade to ignore and continue riding two abreast down Clifford Bridge road contributing to the terrible congestion approaching the hospital. I read somewhere that Coventry council might be approaching bankruptcy - is this really a priority o send limited public funds. I wonder if they have done n Pacy Assessment or whether they are following their westminster political colleagues and simply not bothering.
 

shmmeee

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NOYt a nimby issue for me, nowhere near my back yard.I bet that if the locals wanted the trees removed because of loss of light in their homes or the leaves, the council would have told them to fuck off. So they will be removed to create a double lane cycle way for the lycra brigade to ignore and continue riding two abreast down Clifford Bridge road contributing to the terrible congestion approaching the hospital. I read somewhere that Coventry council might be approaching bankruptcy - is this really a priority o send limited public funds. I wonder if they have done n Pacy Assessment or whether they are following their westminster political colleagues and simply not bothering.

Well I’m not sure if the locals wanted them removing and replacing with 30% more trees they would.

Funding comes in pots for this sort of stuff. You can’t just choose to spend it on social care.

You’re just flailing around trying to find something to stop things ever being built.
 

MalcSB

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Doesnt mean much. What changes would you have expected to filter through to growth by now?

don't know, but then, Im not an economist. One thing I have in common with Reeves. It wasn't me who claimed the UK would have the fastest growing economy in the G7 after the budget. I can only assume they did some sums! They must have been expecting some positives, else why the "disappointment?
 

MalcSB

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Well I’m not sure if the locals wanted them removing and replacing with 30% more trees they would.

Funding comes in pots for this sort of stuff. You can’t just choose to spend it on social care.

You’re just flailing around trying to find something to stop things ever being built.
How many houses will this produce?

Fuck all.
 

shmmeee

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don't know, but then, Im not an economist. One thing I have in common with Reeves. It wasn't me who claimed the UK would have the fastest growing economy in the G7 after the budget. I can only assume they did some sums!

I don’t think anyone claimed it would happen immediately. Economies are oil tankers they don’t turn on a dime. The first 6-12 months are basically the previous lots hangover.
 

shmmeee

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Oh I get it. “I’ll only let you build if it’s houses (though really not that either lol)”

Nah fuck off, we’ve had 50 years of that. You don’t get to hold everyone else hostage any more.
 

MalcSB

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Well I’m not sure if the locals wanted them removing and replacing with 30% more trees they would.

Funding comes in pots for this sort of stuff. You can’t just choose to spend it on social care.

You’re just flailing around trying to find something to stop things ever being built.
Its hardly major infrastructure, is it? Not for a tram system or improved rail links!

Some things piss me off on principle.

Unused cycle lanes being an example. If they are there, their use should be mandatory.
 

shmmeee

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Its hardly major infrastructure, is it? Not for a tram system or improved rail links!

Some things piss me off on principle.

Unused cycle lanes being an example. If they are there, their use should be mandatory.

Do “unused” roads and “unused” pavements piss you off too?

We’re building a network. Or we would be if people like you didn’t bitch and moan at every step. If you don’t want to use it, don’t. But other people will. Just like all the other “unused” cycle lanes because they’re not unused they’re just more efficient than roads so you don’t see traffic jams everywhere on them.
 

shmmeee

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You were saying I ws just trying to stop things being built, knowing your obsession with housing development is what prompted my reply.

We need to build a lot more than houses. I don’t believe we should preserve the country in aspic for no reason no matter how much nostalgia it offends, no.

The fact shit like the train station and the lower precinct cafe are listed is a joke tbh. We are far too over protective of the status quo in the built environment.
 

MalcSB

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Do “unused” roads and “unused” pavements piss you off too?

We’re building a network. Or we would be if people like you didn’t bitch and moan at every step. If you don’t want to use it, don’t. But other people will. Just like all the other “unused” cycle lanes because they’re not unused they’re just more efficient than roads so you don’t see traffic jams everywhere on them.
I won't be using it, that's for sure. If it was a tram system or rail link I might. If it keeps bikes and e scooters off the pavements there would at least be a wider safety benefit. Trouble is, its a big If unless cycle lane use is made mandatory and policed.
 
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MalcSB

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We need to build a lot more than houses. I don’t believe we should preserve the country in aspic for no reason no matter how much nostalgia it offends, no.

The fact shit like the train station and the lower precinct cafe are listed is a joke tbh. We are far too over protective of the status quo in the built environment.
Protection of toads, newts and bats is overdone as well.
 

MalcSB

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We need to build a lot more than houses. I don’t believe we should preserve the country in aspic for no reason no matter how much nostalgia it offends, no.

The fact shit like the train station and the lower precinct cafe are listed is a joke tbh. We are far too over protective of the status quo in the built environment.
Even though green spaces and trees absorb CO2?
 

shmmeee

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Protection of toads, newts and bats is overdone as well.

It is and a lot of it is doing what you just did with trees when your real problem was you don’t like a decision your democratically elected officials made.

Planning isn’t a backup ballot box. And just not liking something shouldn’t allow you to hold it up for years and quadruple the cost.
 

shmmeee

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Even though green spaces and trees absorb CO2?

There’s more trees!

I believe in green middles, street trees, parks, gardens, etc. I’m not convinced of the ecological benefit of a farmers field or quarry or whatever over that particularly. I’d much rather we insisted on building developments with green space built in that people can actually use without driving to it and that is respectful of nature. I just think this sort of thing should be in a transparent and democratically accountable form that is easy for developers to work to, not a secret meeting of OAPs with esoteric design and political beliefs.
 

MalcSB

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There’s more trees!

I believe in green middles, street trees, parks, gardens, etc. I’m not convinced of the ecological benefit of a farmers field or quarry or whatever over that particularly. I’d much rather we insisted on building developments with green space built in that people can actually use without driving to it and that is respectful of nature. I just think this sort of thing should be in a transparent and democratically accountable form that is easy for developers to work to, not a secret meeting of OAPs with esoteric design and political beliefs.
Ive never been to one of those secret meetings, bastards not inviting me.

Someone I know is wanting to have some work done on their house which is in a conservation area. Its basically an old farmhouse which has been adapted over the years from a range of attached farm buildings an hence bears no current resemblance to what it would have been like 100 years ago.H is on his 4th set of plans now, keeps getting refused permission by the LA. It's his property, who he wants doing will make it look more contemporary and will improve the usability off the property (included a bigger kitchen. I suppose you would be in favour of letting him just get on with it. The LA aren't being particularly helpful. T/hey are refusing his plans without really saying what they would find acceptable in the location.

The same council were being arseholes when my current property was being built. Wouldn't allow a three car garage. What I've got is a three car sized garage with a two car sized garage door and a drive you could park 10 - 15 cars on. If only it was on Wilson's Lane, I'd make a bloody fortune on a match day. Especially if I got the barbecue out and did some burgers! You could bring your own drinks, no corkage charge.
 
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shmmeee

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Ive never been to one of those secret meetings, bastards.

They’re too secret.

I did it once. Made a van hire company on Foleshill Road built a planter they’ve never once used in a decade of being there. Felt great. Walked past: there’s my impact on the world.

Fucking pointless. They don’t want it so never put plants in it. I was just some bored stoner on an urban greenery kick one night and though it probably only cost £100 or whatever in bricks and labour, why on earth should I have had that power? Just me?
 

fernandopartridge

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Doesnt mean much. What changes would you have expected to filter through to growth by now?
The point is that disposable income is at best flat lining and is projected to continue to do so. I don't necessarily expect that Labour is to blame for the economy not growing, but disposable income is not expected to grow as a result of their proposed budget so where are they expecting growth to come from?

What would GDP look like without hygiene items like utilities and rent/mortgages?
 

StrettoBoy

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Reeves disappointed apparently. Growth in reverse?

Technically in economic recession.

We aren’t in recession. That requires two consecutive quarters of negative growth and we have only had two consecutive months.

It is disappointing though and with the anti-growth effect of the Budget yet to work through things are likely to get worse before they get better.
 

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