Brighton Sky Blue
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Interestingly he said almost exactly the same about Binks
People want Kitching to start because it’s probably the least bad option. But the qualities MR identified in him he just hasn’t shown.
We would have been better off with Robins (11 Viewers)
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People want Kitching to start because it’s probably the least bad option. But the qualities MR identified in him he just hasn’t shown.
bigfatronssba
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My personal opinion is this squad is technically good enough, but they are very, very weak mentally.
bigfatronssba
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We made some shocking defensive errors in the first third of the season
The good part of the season coincided with the defence tightening up. Then went to bits again towards the end
blunted
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In elite systems, Managers or Head Coaches no longer have the final say on signings. In fact, they are often overruled regarding their choices. They have input, not ultimate control. It is well documented how the whole system changed when Brendan Rodgers screwed up at Liverpool insisting on the signing of Benteke when all his staff recommended other better choices. Most top clubs have changed to this recruitment driven system.
This is how elite clubs operate now and is why they have a Director of Football who coordinates recruitment. This allows the coaches to concentrate on the performance on pitch and tactical issues.
Robins alluded to his lesser control on recruitment and loans during his various interviews.
I suspect King with advice has listened more to his new staff and his contacts at other clubs about how to organise recruitment.
I wait with baited breathe for our new Director of Football.
bigfatronssba
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Dean Austin and King said that no players were signed without Robins' agreement
I'm not sure if EMC was a Robins?signing, but it's irrelevant really as it was the time to cash in on Haji,of course it was a two year plan for him then he's got some catching up to do in the new year.
I mean if it's the plan or he moves central to move Simms on the plan has gone spectacularly wrong!or it was always the plan which makes the signing of EMC too early for me?
I mean if it's the plan or he moves central to move Simms on the plan has gone spectacularly wrong!or it was always the plan which makes the signing of EMC too early for me?
Evo1883
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Well all that does is exclude the recruitment department of any part of the recruitment process when in reality robins is the end of the line
bigfatronssba
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I agree, but its kinda like his stamp of approval on it. Feels to me like he trusted his staff a bit too much
Evo1883
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These poeple are paid to identify players and are STILL at the club
Brighton Sky Blue
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Because SISU had long stopped caring.
Evo1883
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But we had alot of success still
Why? He has zero track record as a coach. If the ITK rumour merchants are to be believed he didn’t get on with half the current squad either.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Ok let’s get them back then
blunted
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Absolutely, but in the immortal words of Mandy Rice-Davies they would say that wouldn't they. It is about nuance not the full facts. Amazing how everything bad at the club was Robins fault. Do you honestly believe that, or does it sound more reasonable that there should be collective responsibility?
Mark you wanted a striker. We have identified a young Belgium player that ticks all the boxes.
You don't go out and watch him several times like old school managers used to or spend all your time looking at the stats and videos. You rely on the advice of the recruitment team especially as you are no longer the sole decision maker in that area of operation. Robins is clearly not going to say no to more players if we have done due diligence. Robins has always said he wants more players and has always said he did not want Hyam (under SISU) or O'Hare and Palmer to leave. Decisions taken out of his control then, although I get the compelling reasons for them going.
Look at recruitment during the Robins era and there was a mix of experience, young players to develop and loans. Hello, that has all changed. Do you really thing that was Robins decision to throw his whole modus operandi out of the window for a new approach?
Chris1987
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All the indications are that Robins wanted Austin as head of recruitment. Surely because of that the implication is that Robins trusted his judgement.
Evo1883
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Dean Austin isn't the only scout at the club though , something conveniently never mentioned
Chris1987
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True but he's the main man and should be relieved of his duties
shmmeee
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Youd have had a job sacking him during the playoff run
Robins is an unusual manager being here for six years when King arrived. He was basically unsackable. Just saying it’s rare an owner comes in and gets on with the people there. New toy, they want their people, just personality clashes, whatever.
When Sisu decided to sell up it was probably always the beginning of the end for robins.
Yes but who replaced that Leicester bloke and when, seems to have a different remit!
Chris1987
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True
blunted
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We had something unbelievably special at our club with the set up of Boddy, Adi and Mark that has only previously happened twice in my lifetime. The Jimmy Hill era and during George and John's tenure. Some fun with Milne and Gould on occasions but the rest pretty meh. Mediocre is our default situation.Youd have had a job sacking him during the playoff run
Robins is an unusual manager being here for six years when King arrived. He was basically unsackable. Just saying it’s rare an owner comes in and gets on with the people there. New toy, they want their people, just personality clashes, whatever.
When Sisu decided to sell up it was probably always the beginning of the end for robins.
I really hope King hasn't royally screwed up.
shmmeee
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There’s a fair argument that Robins might not have been able to continue with or without Adi. But I can’t get past the idea that if that’s your hypothesis you give him more than 14 games to find out.
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue
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Im not blaming him for Hamer leaving for a ‘massive fee’, I’m blaming him for the lack of planning and having a proper head of recruitment in position, not a failed manager having a go in his first scouting role. Austin says he provides a service for the manager, sounds like he should be washing the kits not recommending players.
Chris1987
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There was enough evidence there to suggest that Adi was being sorely missed and over a longer period Lawrence too. Granted there were extra influencing factors ( tired squad) but the record over that extended period was terrible.
Chris1987
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Robins by all accounts wanted Austin in that role and King trusted his judgement.
RobinsSkyBlues
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That's stretching it a bit.
Has King changed the way we recruit players? Have we been happy at the start of each season with the depth of our squad?
It's as though some don't like questioning what King does at all.
Evo1883
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But I mean these people were here in previous seasons too when we started slowly ? The evidence wasn't there at all really
Did we miss adi and Dennis, sure but we had early season issues with them too
Evo1883
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King must still trust robins judgement
Chris1987
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True but I seriously question who it was that instigated the turnarounds for the better
Chris1987
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He did. In your opinion for not long enough in my opinion for too long. We truly will never know which is what makes this a subject for debate !
Evo1883
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Well again that's pure guess work chris and I'd say probably slightly disrespectful to robins