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SBT

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lol at you having to sign up to the Irish Times just to cover your arse

Still doesn’t say Google are going to have to pay more tax though, does it?
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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SBT said:
lol at you having to sign up to the Irish Times just to cover your arse

Still doesn’t say Google are going to have to pay more tax though, does it?
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Just use a paywall bypass like 12ft. Or use reader. Or the IT in this case is lumped in with the NYT which I subscribe to (or more accurately my business does).

Go and read a Guardian article or something.
 
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SBT

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The Philosopher said:
Just use a paywall bypass like 12ft. Or use reader. Or the IT in this case is lumped in with the NYT which I subscribe to (or more accurately my business does).

Go and read a Guardian article or something.
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The article you’ve posted specifically says Google would be in line for a tax break, you clown - the opposite of what you claimed in your original post.
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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SBT said:
lol at you having to sign up to the Irish Times just to cover your arse

Still doesn’t say Google are going to have to pay more tax though, does it?
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Your last sentence is irrelevant and a bit daft tbh. The current rate is US for CT is (nominally but it’s not straightforward 21%. This article talks of a 5% cut (unconfirmed) so notional 16%. Ireland 12.5% but the curveball would be 1) Trump rumours of breaking up Google, 2) possible retaliation tariffs etc.
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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SBT said:
The article you’ve posted specifically says Google would be in line for a tax break, you clown - the opposite of what you claimed in your original post.
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Go get some fresh air. Is this all a bit triggering for you? Go to your safe space. Maths and reading and putting it together is hard, right? Don’t get upset.
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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Anyway, enough explaining things to the hard of thinking today.

Back to the title of the thread - Trump is my favourite comedian of the year.

 
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shmmeee

shmmeee

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The Philosopher said:
I find it amazing that those who say we should never turn a blind eye to people trying to avoid any little bit of tax say we should turn a blind eye to voter fraud.

Binman (sorry, refuse collection person) can’t stick a few tenners in their pocket at Xmas that are given to them by a householders? According to your mantra they have to declare the tax. It’ll be technically difficult - forms to fill in, cost of ink, maybe phone data, maybe a trip to a tax office.

You: “can’t let it slide else the problem grows and grows”.

Take Xmas out of it. Taxi driver. Give him a £20 for a £18 fare, expect a receipt? Expect it for the full £20?

You: “can’t let it slide else the problem grows and grows”.

Turning to voter ID. Most of the lefties on this thread “it’s not a problem, (how do you know? Without ID fraud is almost impossible to quantify) and, errr…paperwork and, errr….less well off ethnic minorities (who do cash in hand jobs with tips like Uber / food delivery) will find it hard to get so it’s racist. Yes. Voter ID is racist”

There was also some guy on here earlier that said, and I quote: “Public spending is not dependent on tax”.

Anyway.

Thanks for the laughs, lefty guys.
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£20 less tax is £20 less services. One extra vote rarely makes any difference. And most tax dodgers dodge far more than £20.

Maybe you should donate to Labour again to own the lefties. 🤣
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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shmmeee said:
£20 less tax is £20 less services. One extra vote rarely makes any difference. And most tax dodgers dodge far more than £20.

Maybe you should donate to Labour again to own the lefties. 🤣
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fernandopartridge said:
Numbers are meaningless.
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fernandopartridge said:
Anyway, it's irrelevant anyway because public spending is not dependent on tax.
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I actually liked Corbyn.

Prefer him to Starmer.

Preferred him to Cameron to be honest. Probably would have been better off with Corbyn than May and some of who followed. I say that as a Tory and I really don’t care.

Take away Corbyn’s stances on the IRA and Middle Eastern terror cells (big big moral obstacles, obvs) he could at least see the consequences of globalist ideology and understood that the EU was undemocratic and part of a globalist roadmap.

It’s good to have an open mind about those who you ideologically superficially oppose.
 
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SBT

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The Philosopher said:
Go get some fresh air. Is this all a bit triggering for you? Go to your safe space. Maths and reading and putting it together is hard, right? Don’t get upset.
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This is a pretty sad response…You’re free to believe that Google has a bitter grudge against Trump, that’s fine, but if you’re going to pretend that you’re the only person smart enough to realise it, your argument should at least stand up to a bit more scrutiny before it collapses around your ears.
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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SBT said:
This is a pretty sad response…You’re free to believe that Google has a bitter grudge against Trump, that’s fine, but if you’re going to pretend that you’re the only person smart enough to realise it, your argument should at least stand up to a bit more scrutiny before it collapses around your ears.
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It’s widely believed that Google has an anti-Trump bias

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump's Truth Social barred from Google Play - BBC News

Google says Truth Social violates the company's policies on prohibiting incitement to violence
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
The Philosopher

The Philosopher

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SBT said:
This is a pretty sad response…You’re free to believe that Google has a bitter grudge against Trump, that’s fine, but if you’re going to pretend that you’re the only person smart enough to realise it, your argument should at least stand up to a bit more scrutiny before it collapses around your ears.
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And,

Trump vows to seek criminal charges against Google if re-elected president | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Ex-president complains search results unfairly favor Kamala Harris and display negative stories about him
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

I, in direct contradiction to your suggestion, I hardly think I’m the only person smart enough to realise it. See the left leaning Guardian article to show that.

That you say that my points “are collapsing around my ears” is frankly, disappointing.

Anyway, I enjoy robust debate.

Here: you’ve won the argument. Have a great night.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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The Philosopher said:
That’s great. Not sure what your point is other than something about the super rich being evil.

Look, hiking the tax rates up on “super rich” corporations sometimes has a negative effect

Closer to home, Ireland has more favourable tax rates than the UK.

As a direct result, Google, MS and Apple base themselves there.

These three alone pay ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL CTAX RECEIVED in Ireland. Also, many tech jobs are provided as a downstream, which creates equivalent PAYE revenue and economic growth. Would Ireland be wise in taking the economic bubbling spouted on here and raise taxes that would see those big 3 corporations reconsider their base? By losing that tax revenue the poorest in society would have to take up some of the slack and pay more tax to pay for services. Or, tax the remaining industries in Ireland more so that they leave or fail?

The point I’m making, which I hope is quite clear, is that raising tax rates on super rich corporations is quite often self-harm economically.

Indeed, if the UK wanted to be a bit more edgy, (Brexit allows things like this which is why the Establishment were browning their pants and getting the feeble minded to support Remain) it could play Eire at their own game and offer the big 3 tax status in the UK at 10% and use the EU - UK free trade situation to supply digital services. This would swell the UK tax coffers, create high paid digital jobs, reduce the tax burden on the poorest on society like the BAME community.

So, I could easily say right now, that the raising of taxes is racist. (Of course it’s not, but I might pen an article on under an assumed name and send it to the Guardian “Tax is racist, and we need we need to start drinking our own urine to save the water companies”. Most of the lefty loons on this thread would probably believe that. Hmm. Tempting.)

Of course, tax evasion needs to be clamped down on. As I’ve repeatedly stated.

What I’m actually trying to show, with sensible and accurate and reasonable examples, is that taxing the “super rich” corporations doesn’t always have the desired effect that “Dreamers” think it will.

It’s lefty coffee house economic illiterate dribble.

Sorry Dreamer
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So your answer is for everyone to get involved in the zero sum game of competing on tax rates. That never, ever works. It's literally a race to the bottom. Everybody except a tiny handful of people loses.

Ideally I think there needs to be far stronger international co-operation on tax rates, but there will always be countries that don't give a fuck, putting short-term self gain ahead of huge long-term societal problems everywhere. I also think that if a company wants to operate in a particular country it should have to be registered there and any transactions in that market have to go through that company so it pays tax in the country it is generating revenue in.

I also thing a lot of the rules around CT should be binned off, and just make it a small percentage of revenue. Again, not perfect as I know there would be plenty of companies that would just look for ways to not classify stuff as revenue but it's a simplified system and isn't that what they supposedly always want?

You seem to be "Well it's shit but whatcha gonna do?!" My take is "It's shit so let's do what we can to make it so it's less shit."
 
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Como said:
www.bbc.com

Donald Trump awarded $15m in ABC News defamation case

The network will also publish a statement expressing "regret" for statements by George Stephanopoulos.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

I am in 2 minds about this, there needs to be some accountability.
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Indeed. He can falsely accuse people of executing babies after birth with impunity, but using 'rape' instead of 'sexual assault' is unacceptable.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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CovValleyBoy said:
Compare & contrast the response of business to incoming Trump and incoming/current Starmer.
USA heading to 5%. UK recession.
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“heading to”

Thanks Mystic Meg. And we’ve had three quarters of growth. The usual anaemic growth but still growth, the last recession was last year under the Tories.
 
duffer

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CovValleyBoy said:
Compare & contrast the response of business to incoming Trump and incoming/current Starmer.
USA heading to 5%. UK recession.
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Riiiight...

Compare and contrast the collapsing DOW index if you're just going to pick up random internet stats and use them to show the Trump effect.

If you want an actual, real measure of something, let's go with inflation and what happens to it if Trump brings in his tariffs and starts mass deportations.

Inflation - that's the most important thing to Trump supporters, right? Let's see how it goes (if he does what he says he will) and then proclaim the stable genius.

 
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