What on earth happened? (12 Viewers)
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Skyblue Bangkok
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Was just listening to one of our old players on a Podcast. Kevin Kilbane , who spoke about Craig Bellamy talking non stop to opposition players the whole match telling them they were crap, too old, too slow, didn't make as much money as him. He also mentioned that when he played for Huddersfield b Arsenal in a league cup game , Ces Fabregas came on as a sub and kept on telling any Huddersfield player he was near how shit they were .
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I very much doubt it, collins wasn't even making the bench unless someone was talking injured
Paxman II
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The match day forum thread and likewise here are full of player frailties and acusations. 'They are shite', 'can't defend', and the list goes on. It's a player attack and nothing else?
The reality is we largely have the same players that took us to the FA Cup semi and showed us what was to come with a few tweaks close season. We all bought into that, hook line and sinker.
King made so many changes throughout the football club, but it was OK - it's going to make us play better. Then he fired Robin's who everyone on here to a man virtually agreed was wrong. No one particularly wanted Lampard as he seemed to fail at previous clubs. Yet here we are. What did you expect?
Lampard can't put a sentence together of any conviction when inteviewed. Yet Doug thought he was great during the inteview process. I do think King along with his changes seeked a big name on the basis it would generate a demand for tickets and above all galvanise the players around a legend and power us on to a top six or even better outcome. Well that works well for Rooney right?
Perhaps to be fair Lampard is no Rooney, but to suggest he had the experience to replace and nurture our squad into winners was a stretch. Lampards interview after today was tame, lacked compassion and any forthright command of the situation. It's dire.
So stop putting all the blame on the players and look at the people who are tasked with making them turn up, and play a coherent game of football from instructions given by the coaching staff, headed by Lampard.
That is what is not working. The signs were there under Robin's and the inexperienced Lampard has simply exacerbated it further.
It's a real shame as we have come so far and had all the tools in place. But, King just swept those aside.
But I suggest panic is not called for. No, this squad is strong for this league, and there is every chance it will turn around quickly starting with the next game. A few people need to look at themselves in the mirror and fix what has been wrong in the background since Dougs changes. There is a plethora of staff in every which department concentrating on one issue or another. We just need to focus and get the players to put in some hard graft and equal focus on the football without all the chatter so to speak. We can't just turn up and expect to win because we are acting like we are the bees knees all of a sudden. A few colour coded tracksuits is not going to make things happen......
The reality is we largely have the same players that took us to the FA Cup semi and showed us what was to come with a few tweaks close season. We all bought into that, hook line and sinker.
King made so many changes throughout the football club, but it was OK - it's going to make us play better. Then he fired Robin's who everyone on here to a man virtually agreed was wrong. No one particularly wanted Lampard as he seemed to fail at previous clubs. Yet here we are. What did you expect?
Lampard can't put a sentence together of any conviction when inteviewed. Yet Doug thought he was great during the inteview process. I do think King along with his changes seeked a big name on the basis it would generate a demand for tickets and above all galvanise the players around a legend and power us on to a top six or even better outcome. Well that works well for Rooney right?
Perhaps to be fair Lampard is no Rooney, but to suggest he had the experience to replace and nurture our squad into winners was a stretch. Lampards interview after today was tame, lacked compassion and any forthright command of the situation. It's dire.
So stop putting all the blame on the players and look at the people who are tasked with making them turn up, and play a coherent game of football from instructions given by the coaching staff, headed by Lampard.
That is what is not working. The signs were there under Robin's and the inexperienced Lampard has simply exacerbated it further.
It's a real shame as we have come so far and had all the tools in place. But, King just swept those aside.
But I suggest panic is not called for. No, this squad is strong for this league, and there is every chance it will turn around quickly starting with the next game. A few people need to look at themselves in the mirror and fix what has been wrong in the background since Dougs changes. There is a plethora of staff in every which department concentrating on one issue or another. We just need to focus and get the players to put in some hard graft and equal focus on the football without all the chatter so to speak. We can't just turn up and expect to win because we are acting like we are the bees knees all of a sudden. A few colour coded tracksuits is not going to make things happen......
Mucca Mad Boys
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Last season, Wright and Simms’ output was higher in the aggregate than Gyokeres in 22/23 and hes a player you’re never going to replace right away.
My critique of the recruitment is that we haven’t added new bodies to the defence or midfield. Rudoni has a higher output (xG + xA) than COH so there’s no material downgrade. In fact, it could be considered an upgrade potentially. The defenders and deeper midfielders are exactly the same set of players that finished 9th and we’ve added the likes of EMC, BTA, Bassette to the group which is a material improvement.
So we are massively underachieving and some of that is tactical/coaching but we have to face the fact that our defence is lightweight. At minute, to be hyperbolic, all a team has to do to score is get a shot on target, we’re more less conceding every other shot we get against us.
The team needs change at CB and GK. Dovin and Lifching are the obvious changes, otherwise, we need new signings in those positions.
Binks record for us as a starting CB makes for grim reading.
Para1140
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He wouldnt have because he wouldnt have been playing under Robins. Robins new Collins was shit hence bombing him out the first team squad
Otis
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One of our main problems, apart from all the horrendous mistakes we are making at the back, is that players who were playing very well last season, have suddenly shown poor form, this season.
The two notable ones are Sheaf and MVE.
They have both been linked with moves away, so the only conclusion I can come to, is that their minds are elsewhere, or that they are carrying injuries.
Whatever it is, it's really hurting us.
The two notable ones are Sheaf and MVE.
They have both been linked with moves away, so the only conclusion I can come to, is that their minds are elsewhere, or that they are carrying injuries.
Whatever it is, it's really hurting us.
The Nomad
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Sooner the better but sadly I don't think King would sack him even if we go into League 1.
bigfatronssba
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Why do you want Lampard out so much?
1st goal. MVE falls over, Da Silva fails to close down quickly. Yes Collins should save it but it’s not his fault for the 2 errors leading to the goal.
2nd goal. WTF is Da Silva doing. Nothing Collins can do to save that shot.
3rd goal. Thomas fails to even attempt the header. He should be clearing that easily. Again though no idea what Collins was doing in no man’s land.
4th goal. Actually a great save originally before the flap. We had 3 defenders to 1 striker in the box. fucking clear it one of you.
Yes Collins is a poor keeper but it’s not his fault for the absolute shocking defending for all 4 goals.
Lati gets some stick but he adds a bit of composure that the others don’t. I’d drop the lot of them at the back from yesterday on Boxing Day.
Dovin / Bidwell / Kitching & Lati / Eccles.
it really is about confidence with us. Bassett has to score that 1on1. Mason really should be scoring when he hit the post. Again Bassett should have scored when it was cleared off the line. How we didn’t score 3 goals in that first half was unbelievable.
Ritchie controlled the midfield. He had Sheaf, Torp & Rudi in his pocket. We desperately need some experience not just at the back but in midfield too
The Nomad
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Cos he should never have got the job in the first place. We needed someone like Steve Cooper. We got Lampard cos of who he is, not what he's capable of.
torchomatic
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I was talking next to the guy next to me about that. He was furious.
bigfatronssba
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But it comes across that you’re now hoping he fails so you can be proved right
Sick Boy
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The double standards keep coming!
Lampard has only managed a few games, has brought in new coaches and has inherited a mess of a squad.
We were told that the new coaching setup would take a few months to ‘gel’, so using that logic we can’t judge Lampard until after a year.
The Nomad
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Don't know how you come to that conclusion.
I'm angry that we put in another gutless performance and I'm angry at a 'glamour' appointment, that is going to backfire spectacularly on us, similar to what happened at Birmingham with Rooney.
Doesn't mean I want us to lose games.
bigfatronssba
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Agreed.
I think the January transfer window will also be an indication of what sort of manager he’ll be
Sick Boy
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I can see us bringing in a couple of loans but that’ll be it until the summer.
bigfatronssba
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Why is it going to backfire spectacularly?
Lampard can’t help that he’s a “glamour” appointment.
Also I’m sick of the comparisons with Birmingham and Rooney. Ours is a completely different situation. We didn’t sack Robins to bring in a name
AFCCOVENTRY
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He’s going to need 2 transfer windows to sort this out and be ready for next season.
stupot07
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Portsmouth wanted it more than us, and defensively we're about as robust as a rich tea being dunked into a cuppa.
stupot07
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100% Robins was sacked because we were putting in perfomances like yesterday most weeks, and then the same is happening under Lampard. We might has some nice attacking talent, but defensively the "deck" is shite.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Just want to see Lessons being learnt. I do think this team is technically good and you see that at times but the mentality is so fragile. Experience is needed to lift the players. Sunderland have added some older players and are fair better with a very similar squad.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Will add if Brad does his job, I do think our heads don't drop in the same way but still so poor from us to give up on the pitch
Moff
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I just don’t understand why Bidwell isn’t playing.
Last year if I remember correctly he didn’t start the season, but then came in and our defence and fortunes upturned.
He’s steady, puts in a shift and is an experienced head…exactly what we need on the pitch, and not prone to utter fuck ups like some of the defence.
We need some ‘horrible’ defenders in the team, who give it everything, not those afraid to put in a shift and who make constant mistakes.
Last year if I remember correctly he didn’t start the season, but then came in and our defence and fortunes upturned.
He’s steady, puts in a shift and is an experienced head…exactly what we need on the pitch, and not prone to utter fuck ups like some of the defence.
We need some ‘horrible’ defenders in the team, who give it everything, not those afraid to put in a shift and who make constant mistakes.
clint van damme
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Lampard needs to get pragmatic.
Make us difficult to beat first and build from there.
We want to see nice football as much as he wants his team to play it but unfortunately the opposition arent going to let us just turn up and stroke the ball about and make pretty patterns.
First thing we need to achieve that are an experienced CB and an experienced midfielder in January.
stupot07
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Completely agree. It's how Robins turned us around that play off season, played 5 at the back with the box midfield, defensively deep with men behind the ball and played on the counter attack. We started keeping clean sheets and with Vik and Gus there was always a chance we could hurt teams on the counter.
Even yesterday all our chances were pretty much counter attacking football. It's when we try and be clever and keep possession we make mistakes.
Cally Fedora
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Agreed. Dovin, Kitching and Bidwell in for Plymouth. Torp out - still not seen him do anything near enough. Eccles in. Top 3 ok
shmmeee
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Mental to throw money at a manager who has shown no ability to get the best out of players TBH.
bigfatronssba
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He's shown more of an ability than Robins to get the best out of these players
Potbellypig
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No leader in the team to pick the players up.
shmmeee
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Has he? We’ve had one half decent game. He’s also shown the ability to get the worst basing it on yesterday.
stupot07
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The only thing it looks like he got right is EMCs form, but that's only because of Wrights injury has given him the opportunity. It wasn't a Lampard master tactician masterstroke.
clint van damme
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This season has been much of a muchness no matter who has been in charge.
Very early days for Lampard and he needs time, and hopefully he'll get it and put things right but in his short tenure so far there's absolutely nothing to suggest any improvement.