DawlishSkyBlue
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Wow. Reckon you might have placed today, winner was 16 something but 2nd and 3rd were around 18.30
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DawlishSkyBlue
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Got a 10k race on Sunday. Will be interesting as for three months now I've done zero speedwork, instead I have been doing purely easy runs and building my mileage up
Sky_Blue_Daz
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Bit the bullet and did a 5k today , first out door run since middle of October , used the first session on couch to 5k but didn’t bother with the walking bit just to get a route and distance . Nice and fresh enjoyed it
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DawlishSkyBlue
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39.33 at Exeter First Chance 10k this morning. V happy with that considering I've done zero speedwork in months and done less than healthy living lately 
Nice one.
My current 10km pb was actually ran during a 10 mile race!
We were supposed to have a track session yesterday morning, but track was frozen so we did hill reps instead on the Warwick Uni Campus.
And this morning i did a 2hr long run on treadmill, 1hr at 6% gradient, the final hour at 15% gradient.
My current 10km pb was actually ran during a 10 mile race!
We were supposed to have a track session yesterday morning, but track was frozen so we did hill reps instead on the Warwick Uni Campus.
And this morning i did a 2hr long run on treadmill, 1hr at 6% gradient, the final hour at 15% gradient.
Sick Boy
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Tried running for 15 mins on a treadmill yesterday and shin splint pains were back despite not running for 6 months. At this point, it seems like it could be something other than standard shin splints - anyone got any ideas?
I went to physio for a few months who was pretty useless and he said it was shin splints.
I went to physio for a few months who was pretty useless and he said it was shin splints.
Go to a proper running/sports physio.
I had shin pains at the start of 2024, and it is often related to other parts of the leg..... (in my case tendonitis in the ankle).
I can highly recommend one, i go there every few weeks for "maintenance" work..... she is a friend and occasional training partner.... although she's likely booked up 4-6 weeks in advance.
Based in Bedworth.
I can probably source some other recommendations if Bedworth isn't convenient.
Farmer Jim
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Hello mate, I`m new to the forum, but a massive trail runner, nowhere in your league, but I`ve done lots of races all over Cumbria, North Wales, North Yorks and Lancashire.
I`m just about to do my first race of the year next weekend - Montane Delamere Half and then got one race a month booked for the rest of the year, mostly halves ( my go to distance ) but a couple of 9/10 milers, which I love as you can leg it around them ( depending on the gradients )
Have you ever done any Sky Running ?
The reason I ask, is that there`s a fifteen miler as an introduction on Snowdon in the Summer and I`m just wondering how much more difficult they are than say trail running in the Dales in Yorkshire / Cumbrian Fells.
I`ve done a fifteen miler up and down Snowdon a couple of years back, with 4200 ft of altitude and genuinely I couldn`t walk or use the pedals on the car the day after
Hello mate, I`m new to the forum, but a massive trail runner, nowhere in your league, but I`ve done lots of races all over Cumbria, North Wales, North Yorks and Lancashire.
I`m just about to do my first race of the year next weekend - Montane Delamere Half and then got one race a month booked for the rest of the year, mostly halves ( my go to distance ) but a couple of 9/10 milers, which I love as you can leg it around them ( depending on the gradients )
Have you ever done any Sky Running ?
The reason I ask, is that there`s a fifteen miler as an introduction on Snowdon in the Summer and I`m just wondering how much more difficult they are than say trail running in the Dales in Yorkshire / Cumbrian Fells.
I`ve done a fifteen miler up and down Snowdon a couple of years back, with 4200 ft of altitude and genuinely I couldn`t walk or use the pedals on the car the day after
Hello mate.
Its a bit of a grey area between the more "technical" end of Trail Running, and then SkyRunning and FellRunning.
I've not done any SkyRunning marketed races.... however as i say they aren't much different to fell races.... except they'll generally stick to ridge lines and be fully marked.
So you could expect to have a fully marked course, pretty damn good scenery, and a lot of climb/descent.
However....
You need to check the details of the course you are going for for technical difficulty.....
Some SkyRaces will cover areas of scrambling (of various degrees of difficulty)..... whereas some will be straightforward mountain/ridge routes you can happily run along.
Your race will likely have a route description.... and you can make a decision from there.
I don't want to insult your intelligence or knowledge but forgive me as i have no idea what sort of terrain you've covered..... but if there is any mention of Grade 1 Scrambling, then this is stuff like Striding Edge on Helvellyn, or Crib Goch on the Snowdon ridge (even this covers various degrees.... i'll happily run across Striding Edge, but the more difficult parts of Crib Goch give me the heebie-jeebies)
If there's mention of Grade 2 or 3 scrambling then this is serious territory where there will likely be ropes or similar to hook onto.... i wouldn't imagine an introductory race would cover anything like this.
The main difference is the terrain likely to be a bit more arduous than your standard trail race, and of course the ascent/descent. Best way to train for this is to get out on the hills and run up and down lots of steep stuff...... if you're local to Cov like me, then a lot of time spent on treadmill at a steep incline, and plenty of strength work on the legs (don't neglect flat running though, you'll need the aerobic capacity)
Farmer Jim
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Thanks for that.
The one and only time I`ve had to do scrambling was on the race up and down Snowdon.
My usual runs are in the Yorkshire Dales, The Cumbrian Fells and forest races of varying gradients dependant on where they are - Delamere will be quite flat, where as ones in the Lakes can have a lot of gradient.
The majority of my runs are on footpaths in these areas, which can be quite technical, especially in the Dales, but nowhere near Striding Edge or Crib Goch ( which I`ve walked many times )
The introductory race in Snowdon sounds pretty much like a hard trail race / fell race by it`s description and is bolted onto part of the course of a Sky Running Ultra on the same day.
From what you say about sky running, it sounds a bit out of my league tbh and sounds very much like extreme fell running and having done a couple of fell races, I can safely say that they`re a different breed - vests and shorts in January on top of moor !!!!!
Have you ever done any off road stuff in the North ?
The reason I ask, is that over the years, I`ve developed a lovely little network of country pubs and cottages to stay in, that are out of the way and really cheap to stay in, ranging from £55 - £70 a night room only. Pubs that are well off the tourist track and as a result lots cheaper, but much nicer due them being privately owned and much friendlier.
If you ever need anywhere to stay prior to a race in N Wales, anywhere in N Yorks or the Lakes give me a shout
Thanks for that.
The one and only time I`ve had to do scrambling was on the race up and down Snowdon.
My usual runs are in the Yorkshire Dales, The Cumbrian Fells and forest races of varying gradients dependant on where they are - Delamere will be quite flat, where as ones in the Lakes can have a lot of gradient.
The majority of my runs are on footpaths in these areas, which can be quite technical, especially in the Dales, but nowhere near Striding Edge or Crib Goch ( which I`ve walked many times )
The introductory race in Snowdon sounds pretty much like a hard trail race / fell race by it`s description and is bolted onto part of the course of a Sky Running Ultra on the same day.
From what you say about sky running, it sounds a bit out of my league tbh and sounds very much like extreme fell running and having done a couple of fell races, I can safely say that they`re a different breed - vests and shorts in January on top of moor !!!!!
Have you ever done any off road stuff in the North ?
The reason I ask, is that over the years, I`ve developed a lovely little network of country pubs and cottages to stay in, that are out of the way and really cheap to stay in, ranging from £55 - £70 a night room only. Pubs that are well off the tourist track and as a result lots cheaper, but much nicer due them being privately owned and much friendlier.
If you ever need anywhere to stay prior to a race in N Wales, anywhere in N Yorks or the Lakes give me a shout
Yes i do a lot of fell-racing in the north of England..... i should hit my 150th fell race by the summer.
Have done most of the "Lakeland Classic" races in Cumbria, as well as other Lakes races, and raced across Yorkshire, Peak District (i was a member of Dark Peak Fell Runners before joining Coventry Godiva)
In Wales i've done most of the longer races.... Peris, Welsh 1000 (which i won last year
), Black Mountains, Brecon Beacons, etcAnd also a lot of races on the Long Mynd in Shropshire.
I do think Fell Racing, whilst certainly tough, gets put on a pedestal of difficulty that isn't always warranted..... yes some of the races i've mentioned there are incredibly tough, and in bad weather can be pretty harrowing.... but there's plenty of other fell races in which to build experience (the Long Mynd races for example)......
There's no getting away from the rough terrain and crippling climbs/downhills though!
Will bear the accommodation in mind.... although obviously i've got a lot of regular places myself through my travels!!
Pete
Out of interest, which fell races have you done....??
CovValleyBoy
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Trying to run the date.
Jan 6th 6mile. Still within comfort zone.
I'll make up my own rules going forward.
Jan 6th 6mile. Still within comfort zone.
I'll make up my own rules going forward.
Farmer Jim
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Yes i do a lot of fell-racing in the north of England..... i should hit my 150th fell race by the summer.
Have done most of the "Lakeland Classic" races in Cumbria, as well as other Lakes races, and raced across Yorkshire, Peak District (i was a member of Dark Peak Fell Runners before joining Coventry Godiva)
In Wales i've done most of the longer races.... Peris, Welsh 1000 (which i won last year
And also a lot of races on the Long Mynd in Shropshire.
I do think Fell Racing, whilst certainly tough, gets put on a pedestal of difficulty that isn't always warranted..... yes some of the races i've mentioned there are incredibly tough, and in bad weather can be pretty harrowing.... but there's plenty of other fell races in which to build experience (the Long Mynd races for example)......
There's no getting away from the rough terrain and crippling climbs/downhills though!
Will bear the accommodation in mind.... although obviously i've got a lot of regular places myself through my travels!!
Pete
Out of interest, which fell races have you done....??
I`ve only done a couple, as my experiences of the fell running community hasn`t been great to be honest - not a very friendly bunch ( I swore I`d never do another race in Yorkshire after one, as there was a lady really struggling in some proper nasty weather on the moors, at the back of the pack and myself and half a dozen others went back for her, whilst the rest just bombed off and couldn`t have given a shit about her )
They also held the prize giving whilst we were still out on the course,with the lady, which was pretty poor form in my opinion.
( Trail running isn`t like this at all, there`s much more camaraderie with the pack, even the elite runners like Jonny Cox and Chris Holdsworth, will offer encouragement as they fly past you !!! )
The ones I`ve done are:
Soyland Moor Fell Race ( the one in Yorkshire )
Llangollen Fell Race.
The fifteen miler I did up Snowdon was billed as a " trail challenge " - it wasn`t it was a full on fell race, with a bit of trail at the bottom.
CovValleyBoy
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I'd try and run through it. Works sometimes !
In meantime plenty of ice & elevation.
To be honest i'd have to argue some of your points re the fellrunning community.
There's a vast difference in abilities, and this is heightened vastly by the terrain.... hence people are supposed to be able to look after themselves, as fields split apart quickly and can be spread over several miles of remote terrain.
That said, i know plenty of people who have given up their races to aid people in distress in a fell race (including one lady from Coventry who did so during the inter-counties champs race, one of the most high profile races of the year). And this is as it should be.... anyone not stopping to help someone in trouble should be called out, and isn't reflective of the fellrunning community as a whole.
As for presentations going on while races aren't quite finished, this is pretty commonplace. Some races can have 3 hours between the winner coming in and the last person. Usually once all male/female and age category prize winners are in, prizegiving goes ahead quite quickly. Simply a question of times and logistics.
One thing that does rile me about the fellrunning community is that they like to point the finger of some of those accusations, directly at the road/track running community..... some people do like to think that fellrunners are a unique breed in a positive sense, and all runners of other disciplines are ignorant and only bothered about mile splits, etc...... which quite frankly is bollocks.
Incidentally, i have done Llangollen Fell Race twice..... it is a tough course in bad conditions..... although it is rare for a race of that distance to be fully marked throughout.
There's a vast difference in abilities, and this is heightened vastly by the terrain.... hence people are supposed to be able to look after themselves, as fields split apart quickly and can be spread over several miles of remote terrain.
That said, i know plenty of people who have given up their races to aid people in distress in a fell race (including one lady from Coventry who did so during the inter-counties champs race, one of the most high profile races of the year). And this is as it should be.... anyone not stopping to help someone in trouble should be called out, and isn't reflective of the fellrunning community as a whole.
As for presentations going on while races aren't quite finished, this is pretty commonplace. Some races can have 3 hours between the winner coming in and the last person. Usually once all male/female and age category prize winners are in, prizegiving goes ahead quite quickly. Simply a question of times and logistics.
One thing that does rile me about the fellrunning community is that they like to point the finger of some of those accusations, directly at the road/track running community..... some people do like to think that fellrunners are a unique breed in a positive sense, and all runners of other disciplines are ignorant and only bothered about mile splits, etc...... which quite frankly is bollocks.
Incidentally, i have done Llangollen Fell Race twice..... it is a tough course in bad conditions..... although it is rare for a race of that distance to be fully marked throughout.
Sick Boy
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Cheers, mate. I suspect it’s not shin splints and likely something else because the worst pain is from the ankle.
I’m based in northern Italy so Bedworth might be a bit too far away but have managed to get a recommendation off someone here.
Sick Boy
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That’s how i got to where i am now. At one point after doing that last year I ended up being housebound for a couple of days because I couldn’t even walk.
Farmer Jim
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I think it was a Yorkshire thing to be honest, as they tend to be quite " blunt " bunch - I should know I`m married to one.
Conversely, the Llangollen Fell race was the polar opposite, despite there being some elite runners there, it was very friendly, with a totally different atmosphere to the Soyland Moor race and you`re right it`s a tough course. It`s one of those courses, that would be beautiful to run in he Spring or Summer.
Sick Boy
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More like here?
It's on that side but a bit lower down, just above the ankle...for the first couple of days afterwards, there was also pain at the back of the ankle, which now seems to have gone. What makes me think that it's not shin splints is that I rested it for 6 months and it's back again straight away.
yes it does seem odd that after 6 months it returns. Could be a stress fracture maybe.
The reason I asked about those pics is I get pain in both of those places. Generally it was described as shin splints but more specifically it was medial tibial stress syndrome and tibialis posterior tendinopathy.
For me it was a combination of
Stretching
Regular icing, especially after running
Strengthening hip muscles
Wore some shin splints insoles for a few months
PVA's advice is pretty bang on (although i would still get it checked by a pro)
Majority of my issues past year have been pain in the same area.....
....and it was/is tendonitis.
Regular treatment.... massage, acupuncture, ultrasound
Stretches
Strength work
Keeping it at bay.... as someone in their 40's running 70 miles a week i've been told that i can't really expect issues like this not to happen. Just a case of regular maintenance preventing anything from becoming a major issue..
Majority of my issues past year have been pain in the same area.....
....and it was/is tendonitis.
Regular treatment.... massage, acupuncture, ultrasound
Stretches
Strength work
Keeping it at bay.... as someone in their 40's running 70 miles a week i've been told that i can't really expect issues like this not to happen. Just a case of regular maintenance preventing anything from becoming a major issue..
Sick Boy
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Thanks a lot for that. At this point, I want to try and get it scanned because I don't think it's a good sign for the pain to return after 15 minutes on a treadmill with 6 months off. I think the problem was increasing the distance too much too soon but will see how it goes - thanks again!
Tonight's track session was cancelled due to ice.
So onto the roads in the Warwick Uni campus for 5 x 1km, with 2 minute rests between.
3:20
3:20
3:19
3:18
3:16
Very pleased with that.
Followed by 5 x 30 second efforts with 1 minute rests.
10.5 miles
Plus 4 easy miles AM
So onto the roads in the Warwick Uni campus for 5 x 1km, with 2 minute rests between.
3:20
3:20
3:19
3:18
3:16
Very pleased with that.
Followed by 5 x 30 second efforts with 1 minute rests.
10.5 miles
Plus 4 easy miles AM
robbiekeane
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Been off running for a bit because I finally called up and got a pretty quick MRI and X-ray in November to figure out a long-standing ankle issue (phoned up monday, x ray tuesday, MRI following monday…murica).
Turns out I’ve got a rogue piece of bone floating around in there (an “os trigonum” that fractured off at some point). It’s been smashing into my ligaments whenever I flex my foot, causing swelling and damage…gnarly as fuck
The injury most likely started after a bad ankle roll in 2018 playing power league that put me out for months, but I never got it checked at the time because…nhs wait times. It’s been flaring up on and off ever since, especially when playing football, and I probably made it worse with another big knock in feb 2024.
Somehow managed to run a half marathon in September 2024 despite all this, but the pain kept coming back and never felt right
Glad to finally have some clarity after all this time—had a cortisone shot and PT in December, but if it doesn’t improve, surgery might be the next step to whip that bad boy out of there
Bit of a relief just knowing what’s going on after years of guessing and kind of just want to get it sorted
Turns out I’ve got a rogue piece of bone floating around in there (an “os trigonum” that fractured off at some point). It’s been smashing into my ligaments whenever I flex my foot, causing swelling and damage…gnarly as fuck
The injury most likely started after a bad ankle roll in 2018 playing power league that put me out for months, but I never got it checked at the time because…nhs wait times. It’s been flaring up on and off ever since, especially when playing football, and I probably made it worse with another big knock in feb 2024.
Somehow managed to run a half marathon in September 2024 despite all this, but the pain kept coming back and never felt right
Glad to finally have some clarity after all this time—had a cortisone shot and PT in December, but if it doesn’t improve, surgery might be the next step to whip that bad boy out of there
Bit of a relief just knowing what’s going on after years of guessing and kind of just want to get it sorted