Lati off? (23 Viewers)

Ccfcisparks

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but what happens if they need to play one, it's how Collins ended up back in the team
Most clubs have 2 keepers and have a youth as the 3rd chloce

I showed you in another thread, situations where Watford and Sunderland registered there overseas u21 as u21 players which don’t take up squad places which you conveniently chose to ignore
 

torchomatic

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but what happens if they need to play one, it's how Collins ended up back in the team

If, if, if. I would certainly deregister at least one of the keepers to free up another slot. Having four is ridiculous.
 

Deity

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Not according to the Doug king defenders. The squad registration being full is their ultimate copium
I don’t understand the Douk King hate to be honest. He isn’t perfect, none of us are, but he’s been bloody good for us.

We had an horrendous owner in SISU, no ambition, no- investment, broken relationships everywhere, and we were selling our best assets on the cheap, using the income to fund losses and using the loan market to paper over the cracks. They were absent owners, didn’t attend matches, didn’t give interviews and went missing when the heat increased.

The reverse is now true. Does he have an ego, almost certainly. I’ve not met any Very wealthy self made people that do not. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so does every business owner. Billionaires Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hardly error free at Man United is he ?

Our fan base can be very odd.
 
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David O'Day

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Most clubs have 2 keepers and have a youth as the 3rd chloce

I showed you in another thread, situations where Watford and Sunderland registered there overseas u21 as u21 players which don’t take up squad places which you conveniently chose to ignore
do you have proof they are exactly the same as NB? no? okay then

you know more than the people who's job it is to registered players
 

clint van damme

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I don’t understand the Douk King hate to be honest. He isn’t perfect, none of us are, but he’s been bloody good for us.

We had an horrendous owner in SISU, no ambition, no- investment, broken relationships everywhere, and we were selling our best assets on the cheap, using the income to fund losses and using the loan market to paper over the cracks. They were absent owners, didn’t attend matches, didn’t give interviews and went missing when the heat increased.

The reverse is now true. Does he have an ego, almost certainly. I’ve not met any Very wealthy self made people that do not. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so does every business owner. Billionaires Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hardly error free at Man United is he ?

Our fan base can be very odd.

What's odd is describing criticism of the owner as hate.
 

clint van damme

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There are a few on here where it is difficult to believe from their comments that there's an attitude different to hatred.

'A few'. Yet he's said 'our fanbase can be very odd'.
Massive generalisation based off a few posters on here.

And going by his logic he must have hated Mark Robins but really he had no right to criticise him because his predecessor was Russell Slade.

But that's not how the world works.
 

David O'Day

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I like Lati, seems a decent bloke and is normally pretty solid. The issues are he can make regularly errors and if we want to be progressive as FL seems to want then he need someone who is better on the ball.

Good player though and I can see the appeal for Burnley in a player than can do a job CB/RB/CM
 

Deity

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'A few'. Yet he's said 'our fanbase can be very odd'.
Massive generalisation based off a few posters on here.

And going by his logic he must have hated Mark Robins but really he had no right to criticise him because his predecessor was Russell Slade.

But that's not how the world works.
Using my logic i should have loved Mark and i did love Mark Robins in part because he was so much better than the likes of Russell Slade. He brought me hope again for my club after years of having little.

Had Mark’s predecessor been Klopp or Pep we might all think differently of Mark.

Look at Arsenal fans now gunning for Arteta. Is he doing a terrible job ? No clearly not, but Wenger gave them huge success so by that comparison they feel he doesn’t measure Up.

our view of the current is shaped by our experiences of the past.
 

chiefdave

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I don’t understand the Douk King hate to be honest. He isn’t perfect, none of us are, but he’s been bloody good for us.

We had an horrendous owner in SISU, no ambition, no- investment, broken relationships everywhere, and we were selling our best assets on the cheap, using the income to fund losses and using the loan market to paper over the cracks. They were absent owners, didn’t attend matches, didn’t give interviews and went missing when the heat increased.

The reverse is now true. Does he have an ego, almost certainly. I’ve not met any Very wealthy self made people that do not. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so does every business owner. Billionaires Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hardly error free at Man United is he ?

Our fan base can be very odd.
Its entirely possible to say King is a better owner than SISU, which is damming with faint praise to start off with, but still be critical of some of the things he has done.

For some reason there's people out there that won't have a word said against him, which is just as odd as thinking everything he does is a disaster.

Personally I think its too early to tell. There's been improvements off the field but if we're honest things were so bad that any one of us could have come in and sorted out most of it. The record season ticket sales I would suggest has very little to do with King and everything to do with on the pitch performance, being a dodgy VAR from Wembley and expectations of a good season.

Questions still remain about how much he has put in himself. Its easy to make off pitch improvements and big money signings when you've got the Vik and Hamer money to spend but I'm slightly concerned we already seem to be back to one in one out, talk of having to free up wages to bring people in and King looking for external investment.
 

Deity

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Its entirely possible to say King is a better owner than SISU, which is damming with faint praise to start off with, but still be critical of some of the things he has done.

For some reason there's people out there that won't have a word said against him, which is just as odd as thinking everything he does is a disaster.

Personally I think its too early to tell. There's been improvements off the field but if we're honest things were so bad that any one of us could have come in and sorted out most of it. The record season ticket sales I would suggest has very little to do with King and everything to do with on the pitch performance, being a dodgy VAR from Wembley and expectations of a good season.

Questions still remain about how much he has put in himself. Its easy to make off pitch improvements and big money signings when you've got the Vik and Hamer money to spend but I'm slightly concerned we already seem to be back to one in one out, talk of having to free up wages to bring people in and King looking for external investment.
I think that is fair.
 

shmmeee

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I don’t understand the Douk King hate to be honest. He isn’t perfect, none of us are, but he’s been bloody good for us.

We had an horrendous owner in SISU, no ambition, no- investment, broken relationships everywhere, and we were selling our best assets on the cheap, using the income to fund losses and using the loan market to paper over the cracks. They were absent owners, didn’t attend matches, didn’t give interviews and went missing when the heat increased.

The reverse is now true. Does he have an ego, almost certainly. I’ve not met any Very wealthy self made people that do not. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so does every business owner. Billionaires Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hardly error free at Man United is he ?

Our fan base can be very odd.

It’s not odd. First ten year the team was regressing on the pitch, fans weren’t happy, next seven it was progressing, fans happy, then King took over and we started regressing on the pitch again, fans not happy.
 

clint van damme

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Its entirely possible to say King is a better owner than SISU, which is damming with faint praise to start off with, but still be critical of some of the things he has done.

For some reason there's people out there that won't have a word said against him, which is just as odd as thinking everything he does is a disaster.

Personally I think its too early to tell. There's been improvements off the field but if we're honest things were so bad that any one of us could have come in and sorted out most of it. The record season ticket sales I would suggest has very little to do with King and everything to do with on the pitch performance, being a dodgy VAR from Wembley and expectations of a good season.

Questions still remain about how much he has put in himself. Its easy to make off pitch improvements and big money signings when you've got the Vik and Hamer money to spend but I'm slightly concerned we already seem to be back to one in one out, talk of having to free up wages to bring people in and King looking for external investment.

To be fair I think there are many clubs who are perennially seeking extra investment.
 

chiefdave

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To be fair I think there are many clubs who are perennially seeking extra investment.
Fair, it obviously depends on what we're actually looking for.

If its 'wouldn't it be nice to find a billionaire to throw money away' type investment thats a very different situation to 'we're skint and can't buy decent players unless someone else pays for them'.
 

Deity

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It’s not odd. First ten year the team was regressing on the pitch, fans weren’t happy, next seven it was progressing, fans happy, then King took over and we started regressing on the pitch again, fans not happy.
If that’s the level of thinking behind your assessment then fair enough. Most fans will have a broader assessment than that.

Using that logic its better to be winning in Lg2 that losing in the Premier League. Genius.
 

JSL

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Regading the four registered goalkeepers. Aged 21 or over need to be registered hence why Cian Tyler is registered. I also expect its because we are expected to get rid of one (presumably Collins) leaving us with 3

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shmmeee

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If that’s the level of thinking behind your assessment then fair enough. Most fans will have a broader assessment than that.

Using that logic its better to be winning in Lg2 that losing in the Premier League. Genius.

Success is indeed relative. See Man City fans recently.

I think most enjoyed the L2 > Champ journey more than any equivalent six years of Prem struggling save maybe the Entertainer years.

I don’t think anyone gets excited about their club having nicely landscaped training grounds or financial security. I’d also argue we don’t have security at the moment, we have spent a lot and gone backwards. Should we not succeed then we very well may be back with no home and a shit load of debt.
 

Deity

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Success is indeed relative. See Man City fans recently.

I think most enjoyed the L2 > Champ journey more than any equivalent six years of Prem struggling save maybe the Entertainer years.

I don’t think anyone gets excited about their club having nicely landscaped training grounds or financial security. I’d also argue we don’t have security at the moment, we have spent a lot and gone backwards. Should we not succeed then we very well may be back with no home and a shit load of debt.
So you don’t like King because he might not be a success in the future rather than because of anything fundamentally he’s actually done wrong In the present. Now i‘m clear.
 

StrettoBoy

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There have been times when he is one of the few players that care. Certainly has deficiencies but would not be top of my list of players to move on. However, he might be one of the few that other teams are prepared to pay for. Will miss his versatility but always thought he was a great sub as covered a couple of positions rather than a starter

Bang on.

I agree with every word of that.

👍
 

DannyThomas_1981

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Using my logic i should have loved Mark and i did love Mark Robins in part because he was so much better than the likes of Russell Slade. He brought me hope again for my club after years of having little.

Had Mark’s predecessor been Klopp or Pep we might all think differently of Mark.

Look at Arsenal fans now gunning for Arteta. Is he doing a terrible job ? No clearly not, but Wenger gave them huge success so by that comparison they feel he doesn’t measure Up.

our view of the current is shaped by our experiences of the past.
I kind of hear you Deity.

In terms of hard evidence though, very few coaches have taken a club in free fall from L2 to within a penalty shoot out of the Premier League - with the added on drawbacks of dysfunctional ownership, not having a home and on a budget that was far from spectacular. The man is an absolute all time legend for doing that - whatever was going on before he arrived.

The budget is one of the biggest driving factors in football as well - Pep for example has had billions to spend/not sure how even he would have got on with SISU, little budget, playing against the likes of Fleetwood on a freezing wednesday night in front of a man and his dog and the mad hatters (front row for the cameras) and being forced out of his own stadium to play home games.
 

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