Dovin (4 Viewers)
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AFCCOVENTRY
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Jamesimus
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I remember a few posters saying “he hasn’t really done anything”. If the goalkeeper is having a quiet game and not doing a Brad Collins, I think that’s pretty good.
TomRad85
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Just nice feeling like not every shot it going to go in, which is the feeling I get with Collins and Wilson
Jamesimus
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Hope that pie tastes deliciously humble all
Brighton Sky Blue
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Again, that quote of mine is to do with what was in front of the keeper, not the keeper himself. As other comments from around then will showHope that pie tastes deliciously humble all
Sky Blue Harry H
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Think that is harsh with Wilson - he's done ok for us imo. I'd far sooner have him as back up over Collins, any day of the week.
Captain Dart
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Google translate, some of the translations come out a bit odd but I'm sure y'all get the idea.
In July 2024, Oliver Dovin left Hammarby after ten years in the club. His new club address was Coventry City in the English Championship, where he immediately stepped in as first-choice goalkeeper.
But after five matches, the 22-year-old was benched due to communication-related reasons.
- It's different from where I come from, but when you get up to the level, that's what football looks like. But everything that has happened since I came here I'm grateful for. It has helped me to have a bigger voice and to develop as a goalkeeper. I have looked at and done something about everything that meant I wasn't allowed to play, which has meant that I have now been able to take my place back, he says in the podcast.
Was it that they wanted you to be more communicative and more involved in the conversation? Or what was it about more concretely?
- We have a goalkeeper who is a little older, who has played over 100 Championship matches for the club. Then we had four points in five matches and the coach thought that something needed to change. I was new and young, and I was perhaps not as vocal as him. At that time the coach wanted to bring in someone who had a bigger presence. Then I had to look at myself and think: "Now I have to step up to get a chance to play again". I have had time to work on that, which has become much better.
How do you deal with it when you get poked, are going home and know that things haven't gone so well in terms of points? Suddenly you are going to sit on the bench. What do you think? Who do you turn to? How do you go about getting through such a period? Because of course it is difficult.
- I have people around me who are very good at the mental part. I have to wait a bit, talk to them and get all my feelings out. Then I hear what they have to say. Then we come up with a plan on how we are going to tackle it together, mentally. Then you do it.
Do you have any kind of mental advisor help on how to think? Or is it just back to training and doing what you do best? How do you deal with it?
- I have a close friend who is my mental advisor, who is trained in it and whom I trust. I could tell him anything. I tell him my true feelings, whatever they may be. Then he helps me filter it, he says and continues:
- Then we come up with a plan on how to tackle it mentally and come to training every day. You should not just let training pass, but you should have focus points on, for example, talking extra much or focusing a lot on your strike. Whatever it may be. To really try to show that you want to be there and that you want to play.
How difficult is it to change yourself when it comes to communication? Because I guess communication partly reflects who you are as a person. Some are loud and heard more. Others are quiet and act in a different way. How do you change something like that?
- It's not easy. As a person, I'm very calm and collected. I take it day by day and try to make it a routine. When you're on the pitch, you have to be a different person. Then you work on it every day and it gets better and better. Over time, it becomes more natural.
Three games after the injury, Dovin was back as first-choice goalkeeper.
But as a result of a sluggish start to the season, Coventry chose to fire the acclaimed manager Mark Robins, who had taken the club from League 2 to a penalty shootout from the Premier League in the 2022-23 season. He was also the manager who had been in the coaching position the longest in the club's history.
This had consequences for Dovin - who once again had to take a seat on the bench.
- It wasn't optimal. I would say I've seen this several times before I left Hammarby. That you see players who go to a new club and then the coach gets fired. Then they might not get as much playing time or whatever. It can be tough and I didn't get to play any games after he left. So of course it was tough. But you just have to adjust to the new situation that comes and then you have to work from there.
How shocked were you that he was sacked? He had done incredibly well with Coventry with very little money, and where they were constantly selling players.
- It's difficult in this business. He had taken them from League 2 to the Championship and was here for seven years, I think. It didn't go so well and we were a point above the relegation places. So it's more the owner who makes the decision. Shocked and shocked, I don't know. I think a lot of people were shocked because he's a kind of icon at the club. But if you look at where we were in the table and how things had gone in terms of expectations, maybe you could say it was understandable.
Robins' successor was Chelsea and England icon Frank Lampard, who had a successful playing career but mixed results as a manager.
- I was happy because he's such a big icon in the world and in England. Everyone knows who he is, which means that Coventry as a club gets more attention. Being close to him every day and learning from what he can give with his experience is just great. So I thought it was fun.
The first month under Lampard's management, Dovin continued to sit on the bench. But on Boxing Day he got his chance against Plymouth, kept a clean sheet and has continued to stand since then.
Despite being benched for the first month, Dovin has only had good impressions of Lampard.
- I think he is a good coach. He is not so much a manager who sits back and lets his assistants do everything, but he is very involved with the whole team and with individuals. He is also a good guy. A good person.
The quote that literally mentions the keeper was actually about the defence in front of him?
Some revisionism that!
Jamesimus
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He’s had more than one great game now. Most other people could see the potential with what they had seen at the time.
Jamesimus
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Yeah that’s fair mate, could be taken out of context for sure. I’d say we’re seeing how intrinsically important a decent goalkeeper is to doing okay at this level though!
Brighton Sky Blue
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It isn’t revisionism. The point was that an expensive goalkeeper can be undermined by a poor defence in front of him. Which is what was happening at the time.
I had no issue with him being dropped first time round. And from reading that interview it sounds like it was the right thing to do and that it has done him good.
What I did have a huge issue with was Collins continually being picked despite howler after howler. He cost us so many goals/points it was absurd how he kept getting picked.
Dovin is slowly working his way up the rankings and now sits above average
When you expand it to include all keepers (rather than a minimum number of appearances that the above table shows) then you find Wilson and Collins.
Wilson is very poor, but Collins is just astronomically bad. If they both kept up those rates for a whole 46 games then we'd concede 40 more goals in the season with Collins in goal than Dovin
What I did have a huge issue with was Collins continually being picked despite howler after howler. He cost us so many goals/points it was absurd how he kept getting picked.
Dovin is slowly working his way up the rankings and now sits above average
When you expand it to include all keepers (rather than a minimum number of appearances that the above table shows) then you find Wilson and Collins.
Wilson is very poor, but Collins is just astronomically bad. If they both kept up those rates for a whole 46 games then we'd concede 40 more goals in the season with Collins in goal than Dovin
lord_garrincha
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Sadly, you can replace 'yesterday' with 'any day', and it still remains valid.
larry_david
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Don't quote BSB in this, he's always been a huge fan of Dovin!Hope that pie tastes deliciously humble all
larry_david
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You literally said we've wasted millions on him. Just own it, don't be a GIMOC
Grendel
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I had no issue with him being dropped first time round. And from reading that interview it sounds like it was the right thing to do and that it has done him good.
What I did have a huge issue with was Collins continually being picked despite howler after howler. He cost us so many goals/points it was absurd how he kept getting picked.
Dovin is slowly working his way up the rankings and now sits above average
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When you expand it to include all keepers (rather than a minimum number of appearances that the above table shows) then you find Wilson and Collins.
Wilson is very poor, but Collins is just astronomically bad. If they both kept up those rates for a whole 46 games then we'd concede 40 more goals in the season with Collins in goal than Dovin
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In reality how many points did Collins cost us?
Brighton Sky Blue
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You’ve misunderstood the post.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Hope that pie tastes deliciously humble all
It's still a fair assessment based on what we had seen at the time. I think we can all agree there has been an improvement between then and now. I did also highlight many times that he was young and needed some time to settle, which is now seemingly happening.
I'm delighted at the impact he is now having, and he looks a significant step up to what we have already got. There wasn't really any point yesterday where I thought we would concede, and that must be a boost for the rest of the team as well knowing they have a competent keeper behind them.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I will also say, his anticipation of when he needs to leave his box and when to leave things to the defence has come on a lot too. So no mix ups at the back and fewer chances for the opposition in behind.
I’ll eat it, since he got back in team looks a different playerHope that pie tastes deliciously humble all
he hasn’t set the world alight he doesn’t have to but he’s doing his job
I'm sorry, but if this ends up being his song then it's an absolute shamblesAnyhow, he's magic y'know
Jamesimus
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Good for you mate. Don’t think he looks a different player, just looks like someone who’s been given a chance and a bit of time.
rob9872
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I want it to be Oliver's army
He deserves his own song!
