Sick Boy
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It’s beyond disrespectful to those who lost their lives. I didn’t think they’d stoop to something like.
Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (29 Viewers)
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MalcSB
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No more hypocritical than the Labour leadership.
Sky Blue Pete
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Me??
Grendel
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Or the clergy as yet more scandal emerges
Sky Blue Pete
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Or anyone who abuses their power
MalcSB
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I have had a very Quick Look at the “headlines”. Won’t be popular ( am I ever), but I don’t see a problem with the concept of merit over positive discrimination (which is still discrimination but typically of men or whites).
I worked in the NHS for a very long time and frankly got more than a bit sick of the additional support opportunities being offered to women to help them “ smash through the glass ceiling” to board level. Despite working in NHS Trusts where the majority of the board were female. That is, they had smashed through the glass ceiling on merit that I still felt stuck beneath.
With no additional support despite consistently meeting performance and financial targets, demonstrating merit.
Hence merit rather than positive discrimination certainly seems entirely fair to me given my experience of DEI.
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Sky Blue Pete
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And the racist stuff
CovValleyBoy
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I'm sure I heard/read that the NHS recently had 50,000 employees off sick.
Can't be correct surely??
Can't be correct surely??
MalcSB
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Anyone who blindly supports Labour whilst disagreeing with things Labour support now which they didn’t whilst in opposition.
Im not entirely sure you fit entirely in that category. I do think that shmmeee does.
But there's a very, very big difference between what you're saying there and what Trump said earlier.
Grendel
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He described a child rape apologist as a brilliant man and refuses to this day to condemn the Welby creature
shmmeee
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Go on then, you’re not quite Grendel level yet. I’ll bite. What have you got?
Grendel
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What level are you at? The whole forum pretty much thinks you are a complete joke
torchomatic
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The suggestion from various figures on the American right is that DEI practices are seeing unqualified or underqualified people be given aviation industry roles that impact safety. One right wing commentator said “If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like 'boy, I hope he is qualified,'"
It’s got nothing to do with fair workplace hiring, and it’s sure as shit got nothing to do with stopping plane crashes. It’s just an excuse for people to insist that it’s only ever white guys who are good enough to do the job, and anyone else who gets to the top must have cheated their way there.
Sky Blue Pete
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Fuck off
Captain Dart
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It's not about racism is it, it is about not appointing by merit.
There are valid arguments for some positive discrimination but when it impacts safety is it an entirely good thing.
It will be interesting to see if this particular tragedy was caused by incompetence, I suspect it is too early to say.
Time will tell (maybe).
Grendel
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great response
chiefdave
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Is there any actual evidence that people in minority groups are flying planes, running ATC etc without the appropriate training and qualifications?
Ring Of Steel
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none has been offered, but Trump said it so all the simple people and idiots are now running with it like it’s absolute proven fact.
Captain Dart
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Sounds like an underestimate. If there are 5% of it's 1.4 million employees on sick leave then that's 65,000 isn't it.
MalcSB
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There are 1,500,000 people employed by the NHS, so that would be 3.3%, which is close to public sector average, private sector being 2.6%.
Public sector sickness rates are generally higher than private sector rates due to a combination of factors including:
- Job nature:
Many public sector roles, particularly in healthcare and social services, can be physically and emotionally demanding, leading to higher sickness rates compared to certain private sector jobs.
- Sick leave policies:
Public sector employees often have more generous sick leave policies with better pay protection, potentially encouraging more reporting of illness.
- Work culture:
Some argue that the public sector may have a slightly more relaxed approach to reporting sickness due to perceived job security, which could contribute to higher absence rates. This not my experience as someone who worked in the NHS for a very long time, including 30 years as a senior manager. Sickness rates were a performance target with the aim of it being managed downwards with clear trigger standards set for individuals to have capacity reviews with a panel of senior managers, professionals and what we used to call HR but these days seem to have adopted titles like talent management or “People”. People what?
- Mental health concerns:
Studies suggest public sector workers might be more likely to take sick days related to mental health issues due to workplace pressures.
Captain Dart
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I asked that question, only you fail to comprehend.
MalcSB
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I see positive discrimination on the basis of ethnicity as being, in itself, racist. Denying anyone a job on the basis of age is ageist, or using sex (gender) is sexist.
Sky Blue Pete
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Like Grendel he’s fuckin mad
No compassion or empathy but blaming air traffic control individuals who weren’t competent because they were employed because they were disabled or black
Just like grendel he thinks he’s on a winner so repeats the point
And on child abuse victims grendel I have on numerous occasions called on justin welby on inaction and unlike you been involved in having to deal with the consequences of these very close to home
We can either piss in the wind or get our hands dirty and try and be part of the solution
Like trump you just repeat the same shit so fuck off
No compassion or empathy but blaming air traffic control individuals who weren’t competent because they were employed because they were disabled or black
Just like grendel he thinks he’s on a winner so repeats the point
And on child abuse victims grendel I have on numerous occasions called on justin welby on inaction and unlike you been involved in having to deal with the consequences of these very close to home
We can either piss in the wind or get our hands dirty and try and be part of the solution
Like trump you just repeat the same shit so fuck off
Sky Blue Pete
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Sbt has shown some of the comments about black people and you ignore it ok
shmmeee
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Sky Blue Pete
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Trump has now - explicitly - blamed his predecessors in the Biden administration - particularly former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg - for allegedly hiring people with disabilities and psychological issues for air traffic controller positions.
shmmeee
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you’re giving him what he craves. He’s just a common troll and you don’t feed the trolls.
Sky Blue Pete
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Duffy says that "when we deal with safety, we can only accept the best and the brightest" in jobs that affected people's lives.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’m sorry it’s a little close to home
shmmeee
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That’s why he chose it
Sky Blue Pete
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In response, Trump says: "There are things you have to go by brain power and psychological quality."
He says his administration has the highest standards, and claims the standards under the previous government were "the opposite".
He says there will be an investigation, but for air controllers, "we want the brightest, smartest, sharpest, psychologically superior" people.
How utterly crass
minutes silence then says it’s unhinged disabled people only employed to fit a quota
He says his administration has the highest standards, and claims the standards under the previous government were "the opposite".
He says there will be an investigation, but for air controllers, "we want the brightest, smartest, sharpest, psychologically superior" people.
How utterly crass
minutes silence then says it’s unhinged disabled people only employed to fit a quota
Sky Blue Pete
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And people lap this shit up
A reporter puts it to Trump that he has said a couple of things during today's press briefing, including that he wasn't sure the air traffic controllers made any mistakes and suggested the helicopter pilots did.
Trump acknowledges the remark but adds "it's all under investigation".
The reporter then asks the president how he can claim at this moment that diversity hiring policies had something to do with this crash.
"Because I have common sense, and unfortunately a lot of people don't," Trump says.
A reporter puts it to Trump that he has said a couple of things during today's press briefing, including that he wasn't sure the air traffic controllers made any mistakes and suggested the helicopter pilots did.
Trump acknowledges the remark but adds "it's all under investigation".
The reporter then asks the president how he can claim at this moment that diversity hiring policies had something to do with this crash.
"Because I have common sense, and unfortunately a lot of people don't," Trump says.
Ring Of Steel
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he knows that, that’s why he does it.