Rudoni …? (19 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

Elite tactics you might say

But not you right? You said we need to sack him asap because he can't impact current players and that's not gonna change so lets cut out losses.

So yeah some might say elite tactics. But not you.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s just why I’d keep my powder dry on a playoff push. But sometimes you need a bit of luck in fixtures to build confidence. Hopefully it doesn’t get undone by the next two and we can start beating teams around us in the run after that.

I haven’t jumped onto that bandwagon, but it’s only fair to highlight that we’re missing some non trivial players ourselves and had to fix a defence that was coughing up 2+ goals a game.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But not you right? You said we need to sack him asap because he can't impact current players and that's not gonna change so lets cut out losses.

So yeah some might say elite tactics. But not you.

He is the only poster who forecast relegation under FL.

 

[SBT]

He's a bit unfortunate not be on a few more goals

I don’t think finishing is his strong suit (I seem to remember he had some dodgy xG stats with Huddersfield last season), but he’s putting a stamp on games in a way that he couldn’t earlier in the season.

 

[shmmeee]

I haven’t jumped onto that bandwagon, but it’s only fair to highlight that we’re missing some non trivial players ourselves and had to fix a defence that was coughing up 2+ goals a game.

But we’ve fixed it by switching to a formation they can’t play in.

 

[Skybluedownunder]

Elite tactics you might say

I hope we have another coach coming to join soon with Carr departing, that would be nice


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[shmmeee]

I hope we have another coach coming to join soon with Carr departing, that would be nice


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Didn’t sound that way from Lampards answer in the presser tbh

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I think the Dovin penalty save was huge tbh. That and the switch to not playing out from the back and through the middle has made us a lot more solid. We’ve scored all season but constantly undermined ourselves with soft goals that we’ve stopped. Having a confident keeper and bypassing our midfield and defence and playing higher up the pitch has helped.

Just still to be seen how effective it is against teams playing well.

To be fair I think we still play out the back but not as dogmatic as before. Helps Kitching is our best ball playing CB imo.

Not sure how effective it’ll be against Leeds but we don’t need to beat those sides imo, we’ve got to beat people around the top six and probably up to 4 and 5th in the top six which so fair we have.

Understand being pragmatic but I’m excited, not to mention the players we have coming back

 

[shmmeee]

To be fair I think we still play out the back but not as dogmatic as before. Helps Kitching is our best ball playing CB imo.

Not sure how effective it’ll be against Leeds but we don’t need to beat those sides imo, we’ve got to beat people around the top six and probably up to 4 and 5th in the top six which so fair we have.

Understand being pragmatic but I’m excited, not to mention the players we have coming back

My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.

 

[SkyBlueGuy]

My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.

Isn't it also basically a variation of the formation we played when we got to the playoff final?

 

[PVA]

I think he's excellent and I wouldn't swap him for COH.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.

Why don’t they look capable of it? The same players played in a back 4 all of last season and our defensive record was 9th in the league and that was after a bad start and end to the season.

It’s all in the tactics and coaching, certain formations just don’t win games by themselves.

The way the CMs play, they’re almost playing as wide midfielders. Rudoni and Torp try to create overloads with their WBs and it’s like we’re trying to play with wingers.

 

[shmmeee]

Isn't it also basically a variation of the formation we played when we got to the playoff final?

Yeah but then our best players were a striker who was a one man attack and a midfielder who could find him. Most of the rest just had to keep the ball out of the net.

 

[shmmeee]

Why don’t they look capable of it? The same players played in a back 4 all of last season and our defensive record was 9th in the league and that was after a bad start and end to the season.

It’s all in the tactics and coaching, certain formations just don’t win games by themselves.

The way the CMs play, they’re almost playing as wide midfielders. Rudoni and Torp try to create overloads with their WBs and it’s like we’re trying to play with wingers.

This season they’ve looked poor in a four. I agree we play like that with the flat three in the middle in either formation, but again you’ve got Rudoni EMC and Wright who all want to play in the same area of the pitch.

If we can work out how to play 433 then great, it’s obviously what the squad is made for up front.

 

[Gibbo]

Our best team is 5 at the back, 4 in midfield and 3 up front....ooh er that's 13

 

[covcity4life]

Lmao at we don't play out from the back anymore

Anything to play down lampards tactics so that they are just "basics"

 

[SBT]

Why don’t they look capable of it? The same players played in a back 4 all of last season and our defensive record was 9th in the league and that was after a bad start and end to the season.

It’s all in the tactics and coaching, certain formations just don’t win games by themselves.

The way the CMs play, they’re almost playing as wide midfielders. Rudoni and Torp try to create overloads with their WBs and it’s like we’re trying to play with wingers.

Only four clean sheets in 24 games with a back 4 this season - maybe Kitching would make a difference but it's been rough watching this year.

I also think the 3ATB formation helps free up the central midfielders in a way that isn't possible with 4 at the back and wingers.

 

[covcity4life]

But we’ve fixed it by switching to a formation they can’t play in.

We have switched to 352 cos of injuries to wingers not to stop conceding.

It's coincided with work being done on the defensive side but nothing to suggest lampard won't get 433 working for us aswell.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

My main concern is our best forwards play wide and we need 4ATB to accommodate them and our CBs don’t look capable of that. Will be interesting to see how we square that circle. That and I’m not convinced this football gets you top six, but it worked for Luton so maybe.

I would say high press football has been consistent in the championship on your last point and do feel we can use it to grind results.

I do think Lampard will swap a lot in matches his shape and expect him on occasions to start in a 4-3-3 and end in a 5-3-2/5-4-1. Thomas Frank does it well and think Lampard will be taking notes considering he spent time with him.

On the back four note, I think Thomas and Kitching will make a great combo at the back as per last year and will be more than good enough in games where we hope to retain possession and use Grimes to dictate the game from the Holding Role.

To be honest TLDR I think being tactically flexible will be a big part of our success under lampard

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Only four clean sheets in 24 games with a back 4 this season - maybe Kitching would make a difference but it's been rough watching this year.

I also think the 3ATB formation helps free up the central midfielders in a way that isn't possible with 4 at the back and wingers.

We conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.

Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.

We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.

 

[covcity4life]

We conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.

Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.

We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.

It's crazy you have to even explain it

 

[clint van damme]

We conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.

Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.

We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.

Take out the last 4 games?
Why would you ignore 4 wins on the bounce with only one goal conceded?

 

[covcity4life]

Take out the last 4 games?
Why would you ignore 4 wins on the bounce with only one goal conceded?

Yeh agree on this too

He's clearly sorted defensive line out whilst we been playing 352

There will be challenges to overcome 433 but nothing to suggest we will just start conceding loads again is my only point.

 

[SBT]

The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.

We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.

The formation is tactics!

We've switched to this formation out of necessity, but it's a good one! It works for us in a way that 433/4231 has not so far this season. Lampard deserves credit for making it work and should stick with it.

 

[clint van damme]

Yeh agree on this too

He's clearly sorted defensive line out whilst we been playing 352

There will be challenges to overcome 433 but nothing to suggest we will just start conceding loads again is my only point.

I'm sure at some point we'll revert to 4 3 3.
But given that since switching to 5 3 2 we've quite incredibly managed to drag ourselves into the play off race I'd rather we waited while we're still in the mix and winning games.

 

[covcity4life]

I'm sure at some point we'll revert to 4 3 3.
But given that since switching to 5 3 2 we've quite incredibly managed to drag ourselves into the play off race I'd rather we waited while we're still in the mix and winning games.

Emc and wright will prob start off with sub appearances so I imagine it will be 352 for next 3-4 games yet

As long as same application I have faith 433 can keep us winning too eventually

 

[shmmeee]

We conceded a lot of goals playing 3 CBs. Take out the last 4 games and the defensive record is like for like. In addition, we’ve kept a few clean sheets playing a back 4 under Lampard.

Comparing the CS stats pre-Lampard isn’t useful. The issue has been tactics and coaching, not formation.

We’re only playing 5-3-2 out of necessity because we don’t have wingers.

Lampard only we conceded 10 in 8 with 4ATB and 4 in 6 with 3ATB. Small samples though and the change has coincided with us playing out of form teams. Three of those 4 goals were against Norwich and Sheff Wed at the start too so arguably still getting used to it. Numbers eh?

 

[covcity4life]

It's pretty simple

433 was start of lampards reign
352 whilst he's stamped his mark on the team

So 433 returning under an established manager will be different to 433 from a newbie manager getting to know the players

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Take out the last 4 games?
Why would you ignore 4 wins on the bounce with only one goal conceded?

The point was in counter to one referencing 4 clean sheets in 24 which was pre-Lampard and the point was more that we rarely kept clean sheets irrespective of formation.

Under Lampard, we’ve kept 3 clean sheets playing 4 at the back so it’s not true to say we can’t keep clean sheets playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.

We’ve tried to sign 1 or 2 wingers this window and that doesn’t point to Lampard seeing 5-3-2 as a permanent solution for our team.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Emc and wright will prob start off with sub appearances so I imagine it will be 352 for next 3-4 games yet

As long as same application I have faith 433 can keep us winning too eventually

Agreed, it’ll take a few weeks to reintegrate new signings and the injured players into the system Lampard wants to play.

5-3-2 has served a purpose and got the most out of the players we have available. Lampard deserves a lot of credit for finding a way to get results without 3 key players.

 

[covcity4life]

Agreed, it’ll take a few weeks to reintegrate new signings and the injured players into the system Lampard wants to play.

5-3-2 has served a purpose and got the most out of the players we have available. Lampard deserves a lot of credit for finding a way to get results without 3 key players.

Instead his detractors say he's lucky players got injured and he stumbled into a tactic that stopped us conceding

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The formation is tactics!

We've switched to this formation out of necessity, but it's a good one! It works for us in a way that 433/4231 has not so far this season. Lampard deserves credit for making it work and should stick with it.

Yes and no. A formation is just a shape, the real success of the ‘Lampard Revolution’ is the tactics and how we play in possession and out of it.

In any case, Lampard definitely sees the team playing with wingers and some good results won’t change that.

 

[Cally Fedora]

It’s a very simple game. We have a formation and players where we’ve won five in a row. Why change it

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Lampard only we conceded 10 in 8 with 4ATB and 4 in 6 with 3ATB. Small samples though and the change has coincided with us playing out of form teams. Three of those 4 goals were against Norwich and Sheff Wed at the start too so arguably still getting used to it. Numbers eh?

The variables have changed, you’ve got Dovin, Kitching, Allen and Simms playing now which wasn’t the case before switching formations.

At this point of the season, we were basically conceding all shots on target we faced with Collins in goal. Something you dismissed earlier in the season, Kitching appeared in most of our clean sheets under MR (and playing 4ATB). It’s no coincidence that we’re keeping clean sheets with him back in the team.

 

[shmmeee]

The variables have changed, you’ve got Dovin, Kitching, Allen and Simms playing now which wasn’t the case before switching formations.

At this point of the season, we were basically conceding all shots on target we faced with Collins in goal. Something you dismissed earlier in the season, Kitching appeared in most of our clean sheets under MR (and playing 4ATB). It’s no coincidence that we’re keeping clean sheets with him back in the team.

Ive maintained for a while our issues at the back were from losing Dennis Lawrence rather than any one player. Defence is more about systems than individuals IMO.