Southport Stabbing (9 Viewers)

[MalcSB]

I went to the cess pit and even on there all I can find is a couple of race war accounts claiming they know. I can’t see any videos at all. I won’t repost here cos it’s a kid but one TikTok screenshot showing a random kid saying his name was Omar and it was him. Also some other random kid who says they go to the school and nothing like this has ever happened. So choose your random child fighter I guess?

It is always so obvious which random child fighter you will choose.

 

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[shmmeee]

It is always so obvious which random child fighter you will choose.

I mean we’re in a thread where the random Twitter accounts were proven wrong at every turn so I’m happy to wait before starting a race war personally.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I mean we’re in a thread where the random Twitter accounts were proven wrong at every turn so I’m happy to wait before starting a race war personally.

And it is the case that the kid shouldn’t be stabbed in school and it’s an absolutely horrific crime whoever did it

 

[shmmeee]

And it is the case that the kid shouldn’t be stabbed in school and it’s an absolutely horrific crime whoever did it

Obviously. I can see us ending up like the states with metal detectors and clear plastic bags.

Saw something about phasing out pointed tipped knives but seems completely unrealistic to me.

And my usual post in these threads about how violent crime is well down even though knife crime is up. The world seems scarier because of your media diet not because it’s going to hell in a handcart.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Obviously. I can see us ending up like the states with metal detectors and clear plastic bags.

Saw something about phasing out pointed tipped knives but seems completely unrealistic to me.

And my usual post in these threads about how violent crime is well down even though knife crime is up. The world seems scarier because of your media diet not because it’s going to hell in a handcart.

I have this argument a lot with American friends about violence. I also have the conversation with myself a lot about managing my emotions and hell if I can’t control my aggression why do I expect everyone else to.
There has to be an answer and it’s not mandatory prison sentences although I’m happy that may be a small part of it

 

[shmmeee]

I have this argument a lot with American friends about violence. I also have the conversation with myself a lot about managing my emotions and hell if I can’t control my aggression why do I expect everyone else to.
There has to be an answer and it’s not mandatory prison sentences although I’m happy that may be a small part of it

The Scotland model, which to be fair is a much smaller and more concentrated country and with a different offender profile apparently was to start with increased sentences and follow up with lots of intervention work for specific kids.

I heard a campaigner this morning say when they go into schools they ask what % of the general population carry knives and are regularly told 40-50% by the kids. So there’s work in educating on how it’s not normal, but I know there’s a “you don’t understand the streets sir” element to that.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The Scotland model, which to be fair is a much smaller and more concentrated country and with a different offender profile apparently was to start with increased sentences and follow up with lots of intervention work for specific kids.

I heard a campaigner this morning say when they go into schools they ask what % of the general population carry knives and are regularly told 40-50% by the kids. So there’s work in educating on how it’s not normal, but I know there’s a “you don’t understand the streets sir” element to that.

Yep I will read up on Scotland
If something is working then let’s see how we can replicate it

 

[Macca]

Nothing will change until people stop wnking off over gangster culture

 

[rob9872]

Nothing will change until people stop wnking off over gangster culture

Gangsta if you don't mind. Get with it bro!

 

[Nick]

Nothing will change until people stop wnking off over gangster culture

Agree with this too, didn't the BBC recently promote some of it and it turns out he was a murderer?

Anybody acting like a roadman should get the shit kicked out of them, they would soon stop.

 

[rob9872]

Agree with this too, didn't the BBC recently promote some of it and it turns out he was a murderer?

Anybody acting like a roadman should get the shit kicked out of them, they would soon stop.

Callum O'Hare?

 

[Nick]

Callum O'Hare?

2 foot as soon as they speak like it.

When did it become acceptable to walk around wearing Balaclavas too?

 

[rob9872]

2 foot as soon as they speak like it.

When did it become acceptable to walk around wearing Balaclavas too?

James McClean teaching his kids

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Anyone caught with a knife a year in jail. If they can put people inside for saying nasty words on the Internet then they can do thi too

 

[rob9872]

Anyone caught with a knife a year in jail. If they can put people inside for saying nasty words on the Internet then they can do thi too

Can you start with the wife please, she was very aggressive peeling potatoes last night.

 

[shmmeee]

Agree with this too, didn't the BBC recently promote some of it and it turns out he was a murderer?

Anybody acting like a roadman should get the shit kicked out of them, they would soon stop.

Ban sales of those stupid coats for a start. Over 18s only. Everyone else gets short trousers and a pacamac

 

[wingy]

Sadly this is the norm now and it can't be, why should parents be forced into to sending their children to school with this going on.

 

[rob9872]

Sadly this is the norm now and it can't be, why should parents be forced into to sending their children to school with this going on.

He's missed a couple of big chances, but blaming him for this too is a bit of stretch.

 

[shmmeee]

Sadly this is the norm now and it can't be, why should parents be forced into to sending their children to school with this going on.

Because it’s extremely rare? Why should you go outside with cars driving around? This is national news because it basically never happens.

 

[Nick]

Because it’s extremely rare? Why should you go outside with cars driving around? This is national news because it basically never happens.

Teenagers are twice as likely to be stabbed to death than 10 years ago... It's on the rise.

 

[rob9872]

Teenagers are twice as likely to be stabbed to death than 10 years ago... It's on the rise.

I'd say it's a lot higher as they weren't teenagers 10 years ago

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Agree with this too, didn't the BBC recently promote some of it and it turns out he was a murderer?

Anybody acting like a roadman should get the shit kicked out of them, they would soon stop.

Violence does not solve violence Nick

 

[shmmeee]

Teenagers are twice as likely to be stabbed to death than 10 years ago... It's on the rise.

Percentage increases are misleading for very low occurrence events though. It is on the rise, and something needs to be done, but parents shouldn’t be scared to send their kids to school as wingy suggested because even at double the rate it’s extremely rare.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sadly this is the norm now and it can't be, why should parents be forced into to sending their children to school with this going on.

Is it?
228 murders in the last 12 months
78 under 25
10 under 16

Knife Crime Statistics | The Ben Kinsella Trust

Explore knife crime statistics and essential articles with our comprehensive overview of knife crime in England and Wales.

benkinsella.org.uk

42 13-19 up to March 23
Was 20 jn 2013

So it’s absolutely not a daily occurrence and statistically very unlikely

Teenagers most likely to be murdered by a knife

Teenagers remain the most likely age group to be murdered by a knife, according to the latest release from the Office for National Statistics.

benkinsella.org.uk

The overall figure is 13% lower but in this age group it’s doubled in the decade as Nick has said

Compared to

Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2023 | Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 7,159 homicides in 2023.

www.statista.com

48000 murder victims in 2023 not as many by knives of course mostly guns

good job USA don’t have a violence problem

They have about 3 times as many people

 

[Nick]

Violence does not solve violence Nick

Give them a cuddle then, see what happens.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Violence does not solve violence Nick

Borstal was violent. I bet the majority never reoffended once they were released

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Give them a cuddle then, see what happens.

I think love has a huge part to play yes but Gandhi was right an eye for an eye leaves us all blind
You’ve got children you know violence doesn’t solve stuff

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Borstal was violent. I bet the majority never reoffended once they were released

I think the stats will show otherwise my friend

 

[rob9872]

Borstal was violent. I bet the majority never reoffended once they were released

My dad worked in a young offenders and most of them ended up 'in the system'. Sadly some of them wanted to be back in and would reoffend for that reason. They had routine, 3 meals a day, warmth, a bed and didnt get beaten up or abused in the way they did at home. Some really sad cases, but hard to look past the fact most of them were little pricks on the outside world.

 

[shmmeee]

Borstal was violent. I bet the majority never reoffended once they were released

70% reoffending rate according to this: https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5843&context=jclc#:~:text=During%20the%201930's%20Borstals%20appear,two%20years%20of%20their%20release.

 

[Nick]

I think love has a huge part to play yes but Gandhi was right an eye for an eye leaves us all blind
You’ve got children you know violence doesn’t solve stuff

It depends what it is. Sometimes I think people should get a slap and be on their way.

A lot of the time the little cunts have zero respect for anybody, obviously it starts at home too.

Parenting plays a huge part (yes I also know that there will be kids with knives who have been brought up well).

Contraception would solve a lot.

 

[wingy]

For instance let's have a relevant measure, how many occurred 30-40 years ago?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

For instance let's have a relevant measure, how many occurred 30-40 years ago?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales/current/homicideyemarch23appendixtablesfinal1.xlsx

Homicides peeked at 2002-2003

This is all murder from 1960 to 2023

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales/current/homicideyemarch23appendixtablesfinal1.xlsx

Homicides peeked at 2002-2003

This is all murder from 1960 to 2023

Like most things fucking reform say is just bollox to make you scared and who is to blame for making you scared

Our own history you know how bleak and dangerous Coventry was in the early 80’s or can’t you remember

 

[wingy]

Like most things fucking reform say is just bollox to make you scared and who is to blame for making you scared

Our own history you know how bleak and dangerous Coventry was in the early 80’s or can’t you remember

Kids though?