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covcity4life
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clint van damme
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Because we're a mid to upper table championship side.
Most the teams,around us will have one or 2 players at that level at best as well.
Most the teams,around us will have one or 2 players at that level at best as well.
ceetee
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As we know from last season's cup run, we can beat PL teams but that's not because we are better than them. The gulf between good Championship teams and PL teams seems to be widening and you can see the difference in class. I thought Leeds were the better of the two overall, but we made more mistakes against Ipswich and they were all punished. All three of the open play goals were quality finishes that probably might not have been converted by Championship strikers.
Cally Fedora
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We do have players who could operate at that level. Van Ewijk, Rudoni, Wright, Sheaf. Possibly Dovin and Emc. That’s decent for a championship club. The trick is making a team. We’re a long way off being promotion contenders at the moment because the squad is unbalanced.
Oggysstarjumps
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Exactly this. Our biggest problem at the moment is none of the centre halves are near enough to prem level so we have to play three of them - and that forces us to play in a certain way. Previously we added to that having a goalkeeper with the worst record for stopping goals in the division.
It’s testament to the quality we have in other areas that we’re as close to the playoffs as we are.
steve cooper
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It's clear by the team selection yesterday that Doug has not demanded a cup run this year.
Simms and MVE didn't get on the pitch, yet Rodrigues and Bassette did. Bidwell not in the squad (maybe injured?) Torp got 30ish minutes. I don't think we were too bothered by the result.
All in all we were missing 7 of our best players on the pitch yesterday due to various reasons including injuries and unavailability, but the team we put out can't be compared to our strongest 11. The only thing it does highlight is, although improving, our lack of depth isn't good enough against teams above us in the pyramid.
Simms and MVE didn't get on the pitch, yet Rodrigues and Bassette did. Bidwell not in the squad (maybe injured?) Torp got 30ish minutes. I don't think we were too bothered by the result.
All in all we were missing 7 of our best players on the pitch yesterday due to various reasons including injuries and unavailability, but the team we put out can't be compared to our strongest 11. The only thing it does highlight is, although improving, our lack of depth isn't good enough against teams above us in the pyramid.
stupot07
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A rhetorical question....but can we really say Ipswich are premier league standard? Were Luton and Sheffield United premier league standard last season? Most of the Luton side are the same side that played in the PL last season.
Re: Ipswich, they are probably too good for the championship but not good enough for the Premier league which is why they will drop straight back down.
Re: Ipswich, they are probably too good for the championship but not good enough for the Premier league which is why they will drop straight back down.
Ccfcisparks
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If we got to the prem I’d imagine our second string team wouldn’t be starting correct.
Flying Fokker
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And hopefully do a Luton. But they are better than that.
skybluecam
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Who cares?
These days you have to buy almost a whole new team to compete anyway, so it doesn't matter if our players aren't PL standard.
These days you have to buy almost a whole new team to compete anyway, so it doesn't matter if our players aren't PL standard.
torchomatic
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Exactly this. Ipswich have bought a shitload of players, yet are still coming down. They will, no doubt, run away with the Championship next year.
Luton, on the other hand, didn't buy a load of new talent because they have prioritised saving all their dosh for their new stadium. More worthy.
Short term pain for long term gain and all that.
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Sick Boy
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If they can keep hold of most of their current players and strengthen again when they go up, they’ll have a decent chance of staying up. Unless you’re for a wealthy owner prepared to pump cash in like Brighton and Brentford, it’s the aim for most promoted teams.
skybluecam
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Yep.
And on the other hand you look at how short term the clubs at the top of the champ think - Leeds 3 loans, Sheff U 6 loans, Sunlun 4 loans, Burnley 5 loans.
The established strategy is to stretch your resources as much as possible in the champ to win promotion, then use the windfall to buy an entirely new squad once there.
More and more the finances and structure of football incentivise clubs to gamble on the short term with no thought to long term effects.
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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Prem Quality:
Haji Wright
Top Championship Quality:
Sheaf, MvE, Grimes, Dovin, Rudoni
Good Championship players:
EMC, Simms, Sakamoto, Torp, Thomas, Kitching, Bidwell
Average Championship players:
Wilson, Lati, Binks, Eccles, Allen, BTA, Bassette
Deadweight:
Collins, Dasilva
I have my reasons for some placements that might seem off
But my top 2 catagories are undesputable,
EMC we haven't seen enough to put higher,
Simms on his day could be a Premier league player look at his performances against Wolves and Man U,
Kitching and Thomas are good at this level not top but good and probably both have potential to be top,
Eccles too inconsistent to go higher,
Allen not sure if this is a purple patch but willing to put him higher if he continues this form for a while,
BTA can be a good player at this level but I want to see that little bit more from him found the finishing touch now just needs to go that one step further with his all round center forward play,
Bassette I may have jumped the gun too early on him too raw needs more experience but will certainly prove to be a shrewd signing and make us a decent chunk of change,
Haji Wright
Top Championship Quality:
Sheaf, MvE, Grimes, Dovin, Rudoni
Good Championship players:
EMC, Simms, Sakamoto, Torp, Thomas, Kitching, Bidwell
Average Championship players:
Wilson, Lati, Binks, Eccles, Allen, BTA, Bassette
Deadweight:
Collins, Dasilva
I have my reasons for some placements that might seem off
But my top 2 catagories are undesputable,
EMC we haven't seen enough to put higher,
Simms on his day could be a Premier league player look at his performances against Wolves and Man U,
Kitching and Thomas are good at this level not top but good and probably both have potential to be top,
Eccles too inconsistent to go higher,
Allen not sure if this is a purple patch but willing to put him higher if he continues this form for a while,
BTA can be a good player at this level but I want to see that little bit more from him found the finishing touch now just needs to go that one step further with his all round center forward play,
Bassette I may have jumped the gun too early on him too raw needs more experience but will certainly prove to be a shrewd signing and make us a decent chunk of change,
Mucca Mad Boys
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Yes. By definition, if they’re too good for the Championship, then they are Premier league standard. Staying up is the real challenge, of course.
We’re not at full strength and haven’t been for a while now. When everyone is back, the team will look like a top 6 team in our division.
Diogenes
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It's probably obvious to say this but put Simms in that Leeds team and he would be a monster. He has his imperfections but a large part of the problem is how we play. We are so ponderous R9 in his prime would look like Dele Adebola in this team.
I mean this is the nail on the head. I would honestly choose to win the championship and then stay in it the season after. The gulf is ridiculous and causing a real problem. The premier league for the bottom six is just a dogfight with heavy defeat week after week. Not to mention you have VAR. I think it’ll be a matter of time before the top six join a super league and from my perspective, we’ll be better for it.
Terry_dactyl
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He wishes!
Ccfcisparks
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He isn’t a playmaker so I’m not really sure the relevance of your comment
blunted
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The gap between the Championship and PL gets a little bit wider every year. Doing a Brentford, Palace, Bournemouth or Forest gets harder. You find a great player (Vic and Gus) they are cherry picked whatever league you are in. Getting a billionaire owner helps but does not guarantee success.
The key is recruitment. To get promoted you usually need quality loans which we seem to eschew.
Getting up, recruiting sensibly for resale value is essential.
I would rather be a brilliantly managed yo yo club than a top half Championship also ran. Yo yo sensibly then there is a chance of staying in the PL and progressing. Unfortunately, it really is all about the money which only comes with promotion.
The key is recruitment. To get promoted you usually need quality loans which we seem to eschew.
Getting up, recruiting sensibly for resale value is essential.
I would rather be a brilliantly managed yo yo club than a top half Championship also ran. Yo yo sensibly then there is a chance of staying in the PL and progressing. Unfortunately, it really is all about the money which only comes with promotion.
Covcraig@bury
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We are a championship side with championship players, if we get promoted 90% of our players will be gone .. simples .. the gap is massive so don’t kid yourself
covcity4life
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Wright
Prem quality
Potential to make step up in time
Dovin
Thomas
Mve
Simms
Emc
Sheaf
Grimes I assume. I heard on a podcast if he had pace and power he would easily be playing in the prem
Prem quality
Potential to make step up in time
Dovin
Thomas
Mve
Simms
Emc
Sheaf
Grimes I assume. I heard on a podcast if he had pace and power he would easily be playing in the prem
Sky Blue Harry H
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Your spelling, however..............
Terry_dactyl
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I’m really not sure how good wright would be in the prem either tbh.
Boicey
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We've been poor with Simms, Sheaf, Torp, Bidwell and MVE playing. Not been great with Wright either but he is a step up.
Our best first 11 is mid table and the quality isn't there to mount a challenge.
As an aside...
No idea how all of a sudden Dovin and Rudoni are premiership standard. Ridiculous at this point. As is Sheaf who's been poor as well as injury prone.
Wright is the only one with a sniff and he's not the most robust either ...
bigfatronssba
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I think there is almost a trial period.
First you have to prove you're too good for the Championship (by getting promoted)
Then you have to prove that you're good enough for the Premier League (by staying there)
The current situation though is unsustainable, as its just the same teams over and over again who are in limbo between the two divisions.
The PL needs to be either expanded back up to 22 teams, or reduced to 18. Just to shake it up a bit
baldy
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Yeah there's no way Rudoni's Prem standard ffs
Mucca Mad Boys
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We’ve won 5 on the bounce before the Leeds game, beating teams in and around the playoffs so not really sure how you can come to that conclusion.
There is an issue with parachute payments because it’s inherently wrong that the Prem partly-subsidises the teams that got relegated.
However, it’s not a new phenomenon that the same teams go up and down. WBA were the perennial yo-yo club in the 00s and Norwich for 2010s.
It takes a lot of investment to get up to the Prem and even more to stay up there.
Hobo
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(I know he isn't) but the relevance is; we have persisted with him as one.
Boicey
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We are 12th in the table and watch our poor defence, weak midfield and largely ineffectual strike force most weeks, that's how.
And yes we have players to come back, as do most teams, let's hope they spark into form quickly.
The bottom line is we bought quantity rather than quality and need major change in the summer before we can seriously challenge.
If we look at the stats on the team, all of them indicate we should be higher in the table. It's the same as previous years but if we'd have not fumbled the start of the year we would be in a totally different position and perhaps we'd think our squad had better quality. We have a shaky defence and when you look back at the last few seasons we love to let in a clanger. I actually think Grimes being able to take the ball from the defence will be a huge factor in their improvement, currently you can see they're trying to play the ball out but nothing is on, panic sets, it goes long and pressure builds on them. I think we have a lot of quality but often not piecing it together and maybe it needs a signing or two to make it happen. Crucially if we're to boost the squad with quality, we need to make a real drive towards top 6 this season. I know it's easy to demand big signings with quality players but I'm sure most fans would prefer a more sustainable approach.
Gibbo
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Top marks for squeezing in the word 'eschew'
On the main subject;. We are buying players at max 3 million. Prem quality players cost 8-10 times that. The market does not lie.
Like the one above, I don't mind if there is a super league. The top 6 can bugger off and leave a top division where there is the semblance of a fair fight. We could reasonably covet promotion to that and staying in it afterwards