SkyBlueDom26
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Weirdest post on here, the fuck is this? Strange strange take
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Sick Boy
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Defence against who or what?
Who knows. If countries don’t think they’ll ever get involved in any conflict ever again then they don’t need to worry… they may as well leave NATO as well if that’s the case. However, if there’s a risk they might and they don’t want to be over reliant on the U.S, then they should probably spend more on defence.
MalcSB
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Free breakfast club roll out: everything you need to know – The Education Hub
The Education Hub is a site for parents, pupils, education professionals and the media that captures all you need to know about the education system. You’ll find accessible, straightforward information on popular topics, Q&As, interviews, case studies, and more.
@shmmeee your daughters breakfast bagel is healthy, nutritious and varied and follows the School. Food Standards, whatever you may think of it. Thats according to the link above which Bridget Phillipson sent out to Labour Party Members this morning.
For those who can’t be arsed to read it, I have cut and pasted a small but relevant part of the bigger document below.
What will my child get for breakfast?
Schools will provide healthy, nutritious and varied breakfasts that follow the School Food Standards.How much funding will schools get?
Schools will receive a lump sum for set up, and then a further recurring lump sum per term to help with costs. In addition, schools will receive a payment in arrears, based on the number of pupils who accessed the club.An average school with 50% take up on the early adopter scheme would receive around £23,000 for a full year.
That money will cover the cost of food, delivery and staffing costs. This is much more than the existing school breakfast programme. On average, a school on the early adopter scheme would receive an additional £21,400 of funding.
Some pretty impressive benefits are claimed.
“Breakfast clubs, such as those already run by the Magic Breakfast programme have been shown to boost children’s reading, writing, and maths by an average of two months.”
fernandopartridge
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That's only 18% overall since Labour came to power promising to cut energy bills
skybluetony176
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Come on FP, you’re better than joining the straw man argument brigade. You’re smart enough to understand that green investment including a massive upgrade of the grid isn’t going to happen overnight and until then we’re tied into energy prices dependant on the cost of fossil fuels. It’s going to take years for the effects to make a real impact.
fernandopartridge
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I'm just highlighting many statements made by the current party of government about energy bills whilst in opposition.
More than half of the national grid is supplied by non fossil fuels currently, where's the benefit?
duffer
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Bloody leftie millionaires, demanding we tax the rich 2% of their wealth.
www.theguardian.com
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chiefdave
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As with most things it will be outsourced. There's plenty of catering companies who concentrate on educational establishments. Easy money for them, take all the cash and provide the bare minimum.Free breakfast club roll out: everything you need to know – The Education Hub
The Education Hub is a site for parents, pupils, education professionals and the media that captures all you need to know about the education system. You’ll find accessible, straightforward information on popular topics, Q&As, interviews, case studies, and more.educationhub.blog.gov.uk
@shmmeee your daughters breakfast bagel is healthy, nutritious and varied and follows the School. Food Standards, whatever you may think of it. Thats according to the link above which Bridget Phillipson sent out to Labour Party Members this morning.
For those who can’t be arsed to read it, I have cut and pasted a small but relevant part of the bigger document below.
What will my child get for breakfast?
Schools will provide healthy, nutritious and varied breakfasts that follow the School Food Standards.
How much funding will schools get?
Schools will receive a lump sum for set up, and then a further recurring lump sum per term to help with costs. In addition, schools will receive a payment in arrears, based on the number of pupils who accessed the club.
An average school with 50% take up on the early adopter scheme would receive around £23,000 for a full year.
That money will cover the cost of food, delivery and staffing costs. This is much more than the existing school breakfast programme. On average, a school on the early adopter scheme would receive an additional £21,400 of funding.
Some pretty impressive benefits are claimed.
“Breakfast clubs, such as those already run by the Magic Breakfast programme have been shown to boost children’s reading, writing, and maths by an average of two months.”
There will be complaints the food is terrible and reviews started by individual schools but by the time that happens the contract will have ended and the next supplier will move in.
A never ending cycle of inept companies taking the money without providing a decent service.
Terry Gibson's perm
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When we have all this wind and solar power what will the excuse be to keep ramping the prices up then?
torchomatic
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Ofgem are shite.
www.theguardian.com
Energy network owners have made £3.9bn ‘excess profit’ from higher bills, says report
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Captain Dart
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Miliidolt got massively ratioed on his lies about gas prices and his refusal to exploit UK energy sources, everybody knows he is lying, gas prices are not much different to last November and the problem is the massive subsidies paid to so called renewable producers.
duffer
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Millidolt, heh, good one.
Anyway I don't think anyone is in favour of higher energy bills, but just wondered if you could provide any evidence that the issue here is down to the massive subsidies paid to renewable producers?
There's a link to the counter argument below, which looks quite well researched - it suggests that green levies are a pretty small part of your energy bill. Maybe you've got a better source though?
Are ‘green levies’ going up in April 2024?
What are the impacts of green levies on bills, compared to other bill components?
eciu.net
Ian1779
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They could remove the standing charge in a heartbeat to help people. They won’t as long as they have daft cheerleaders like you spouting this nonsense.
fernandopartridge
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It's green levies obviously and not obscene profit levels at wholesale and retail levels
Captain Dart
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Producers are paid a guaranteed premium price for 15 years, that isn't the same as the consumer subsidies which amount to about £200 p.a. for each household.Millidolt, heh, good one.
Anyway I don't think anyone is in favour of higher energy bills, but just wondered if you could provide any evidence that the issue here is down to the massive subsidies paid to renewable producers?
There's a link to the counter argument below, which looks quite well researched - it suggests that green levies are a pretty small part of your energy bill. Maybe you've got a better source though?
Are ‘green levies’ going up in April 2024?
What are the impacts of green levies on bills, compared to other bill components?
Contracts for Difference
A Contract for Difference (CfD) is a private law contract between a low carbon electricity generator and the Low Carbon Contracts Company (LCCC), a government-owned company.
People are basically mad that the electricity bills have gone up 18% in the 7 months since the election.
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duffer
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Producers are paid a guaranteed premium price for 15 years, that isn't the same as the consumer subsidies which amount to about £200 p.a. for each household.
Contracts for Difference
A Contract for Difference (CfD) is a private law contract between a low carbon electricity generator and the Low Carbon Contracts Company (LCCC), a government-owned company.www.gov.uk
People are basically mad that the electricity bills have gone up 18% in the 7 months since the election.
No argument from me that people are upset. Me too. But you seemed to be claiming that it was down to massive subsidies to renewables, and that's not even supported by your own statements here, is it?
MalcSB
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The benefit of current renewables is that the energy companies are allowed to charge for electricity st the highest cost of production and not legislated to charge at either actual cost or lowest cost. If forced to do the latter, that would surely ”encourage” them to invest in renewables at pace whilst reducing everybody's fuel bills.
They speak with forked tongue.
duffer
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Which is why you'll undoubtedly agree that things like public utilities would be better in the hands of the public, rather than making huge profits for chief execs and foreign owners, no?
Captain Dart
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Miliband has been on TV claiming it is because of the rise in world gas prices but he has stopped new Investment in new UK gas production and the UK produced gas price is pretty much the same as it was in winter 2023 and those prices are dropping now because the winter is all but over. The US pays about 1/4 the price Europe pays. There are multiple factors but you must agree it's government policies that are driving the increases and if you don't tell me what is?
skybluetony176
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Wind your neck in, I’m not cheerleading anyone. The grid upgrade is critical to green energy expansion and simply can’t happen overnight and it’s green energy that’s going to drive down energy prices. It’s a statement of fact as inconvenient as that might be. Anything else is a straw man argument.
rob9872
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This isn't about being loyal to your football team. I'd love to see your responses on a desert island where you have no idea who is in power at any time. I'd wager they'd differ.
Nick
Administrator
Seems like the more "green energy" there is, the higher the prices.
This year = 42.3% renewable
10 years ago = 14.2% renewable
Standing Charge Cap now: 53p a day (£193 a year)
Avg Standing Charge 2015: 20p a day (£73 a year)
This year the cap = 27.03p per kWh
Average Electricity Tariff (2015) = 15.1p per kWh
At what point do the prices start to go down (for the end users)?
It's not a statement of fact as you don't know why or when energy prices are going to go down.
rob9872
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In the 18 months before an election you'll see a shift. They'll overinflate it first of course then show a downward trend "if you give us one more term". Not unique to this bunch of Charlatans of course, the last lot the same as all of those that came before. Voters have short memories.
Nick
Administrator
As always on the politics threads though, you can't say both are cunts.....
skybluetony176
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The standing charge relates directly to the cost of production, the reason the cost of production is so high is because the cost of fossil fuels. I don’t know what you thought those stats prove but in reality all they prove is we’re still too reliant on energy produced by fossil fuels. It’s fossil fuels that screw the cost, nothing else.
shmmeee
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A pint of milk was 40p in 2015 and is 65p now.
A pint of beer was £3.40 in 2015 and is £4.80 now.
fernandopartridge
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Energy prices have steadily risen even as fossil fuel usage has dropped. This is due to profiteering. There is still going to to be dependency on fossil fuels for a significant period of time whilst the transition to greener energy continues, the government must intervene properly as energy prices are destroying businesses and livelihoods and represent a huge drag on the economy.
chiefdave
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Its everywhere. look at how we were told covid / Ukraine was the cause of increasing food costs. then the supermarkets announced their financial results and profits were through the roof.
You do wonder at what point people say enough is enough and what form that takes.
rob9872
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rob9872
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I prefer peanut smugglers
Yeah you have to imagine this is going to put immense pressure on migration flows. But I'm sure that won't cost us anything.