Frank or Mark? (6 Viewers)
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Sick Boy
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What does it matter? He was probably just a bit more aloof/introverted.
mmttww
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Yeah, I think that's about it. Towards the end he seemed to have tied himself in knots. Real f*cken shame.
Mucca Mad Boys
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If you didn’t want Robins to get us promoted all the way back up to Prem, you don’t have a heart! He certainly wouldn’t have had the nous to keep us up in the Prem so perhaps getting in a better coach like Lampard was always the logical solution.
Realistically, I had my doubts whether or not Robins could replicate his success at another team in Championship or Prem. For me, we were the right club for him and vice versa, a perfect marriage. We’ll see how he gets on at Stoke but can honestly see it go badly, it seems like a bad fit.
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Not the top 20 podcast covers interesting stats on Robins games this year versus Lampard, about 25 mins into the podcast, very marginal improvements but made a big difference to results.
Lamps
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The big difference has been the defence/GK. Without the form of Dovin we wouldn't be anywhere near the playoffs. We're also putting more chances away.
Sky Blue Goblin
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Think the big difference is the change of approach with the players.
I think they both tactically play the game quite similarly. However based on Eccles at Bedworth’s supporters club meeting, it seems Lampard is alot more personal with the lads and as such has got better individual form out of them (Dovin and Simms being a big two).
I think Adi was doing a lot more of that work previously (not a issue as the set up required more of Robins time for other matters like transfers for example) and when he went, they couldn’t fill that gap.
itsabuzzard
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Well said.
AFCCOVENTRY
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Good video on the difference between Robins and Lampard
baldy
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Oooh someone's touchy
Mucca Mad Boys
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It was an interesting insight but the big caveat that the stats don’t show is that Lampard hasn’t had our (still) top scorer at his disposal, Haji Wright.
We’re just overall a better outfit at both ends of the pitch under Lampard.
A key difference is that we’ve massively improved on scoring the first goal. Under Lampard, we’ve scored the first goal 11 times (out of 16 games) and we’ve won 9 of those games (only losses were Pompey & Norwich). Conversely, when we’ve conceded first we’ve only won 1 game and drawn twice.
Under Robins, we’ve conceded first in 8 of the 14 games under Robins, and picked up 4 points from that position. We picked up 11 points from the 6 games we scored the first goal. Under Carr, we conceded first in all 3 games and got 2 points, albeit they were tough games!
This really underpins just home important scoring the first goal of the match is in this division.
Hobo
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Mark did a great job for us over several seasons and his sides always started slow and were better 2nd half of the season.
Once Mark had gone and Frank came in, you had to back Frank. He has made a good start. But I said I wouldn't judge him until next season and that still applies.
Lamps
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So Lampard has taken us from 17th to winning our next game to be in the top 6 and you don't think he should be judged on this brilliant turnaround?
How about if we're in the Prem next season? We have a decent chance of making it. We still have to play 7 out of the bottom 8 sides. Most of our recent wins have been against sides in the top half.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The most disappointing thing is that a lot of what Frank has done in terms of tactics and personnel is stuff a lot of people on here have said we should have been doing from the start. Be a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Play Dovin and Kitching etc. Instead MR continued with the slow possession football that was creating very few good chances and leaving us open to being punished by the howler at the back.
Of course Lampard's coaching staff and training have made a massive impact - EMC looks like a totally different player (albeit aided by Wright's injury) and others like Torp, Kitching and Dovin are playing better.
Fair play to Frank for coming in and sorting it out though.
Captain Dart
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People on here say all sorts of things, much of it nonsense & I'm sure I'm as guilty as anyone of getting it wrong (or spot on).
Hobo
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"How about if" well if we are in the Prem next season, it will obviously be a success won't it, plus it will be next season.
I said he has made a good start. That is all you
can say at the moment realistically. Remember Robins got us into the play off final. Frank hasn't achieved that yet, even if he has put us in a good position to achieve it.
Take one game at a time is my attitude, there is still a lot of football to be played yet. I would be happy if we didn't get into the top six until after the final game. It's where you finish that counts.
Lamps
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He should be judged whatever happens this season and not just if we go up.
When Lampard took over in November we were 17th and just 2 points out of the bottom 3. We're still only in February and just 1 point out of the playoffs. Most of our games were against top half sides. He has done an amazing job. We're second only to Leeds in the last 6 and last 10 form tables and the last 10 didn't start that well.
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Grendel
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He wouldn’t
Shannerz
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How do you know?
If we'd have reached the Cup final, that would have affected what followed. Circumstances would be different due to the different variables. We'd perhaps have attracted different players; maybe had a different coaching set-up. Maybe we'd be struggling in the league due to the protracted European campaign.
You can't make definitive statements based on hypothetical situations.
Sick Boy
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A European campaign - hahaha.
Mucca Mad Boys
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We would’ve only been in Europe had we won it all and we don’t beat a pissed up Man City team imo.
The FA Cup run was great and wouldn’t have changed it. However, it stretched our team out and probably killed off the shrinking chance we had of making the playoffs. We’d lost 2 big games v Norwich and PNE before the 5th round which dropped us from 5/6th to 9/10th before playing WBA.
Grendel
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So now in this fantasy world we are beating Man City in the final as well
itsvangool
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My God. Score more goals and concede less that took him 9 minutes to tell us. Football is chaos. Live it and love it. This kind of stuff on social media and Sky is sucking the life out of the sport.
Lampard has put a bit of confidence into a squad that was lost and on the floor. I love Robins but he had lost his team behind him and was struggling to adapt. Dovin is the prime example of where he was going wrong.
Shannerz
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Tell me you didn't understand the post without typing, 'I didn't understand the post'.
The variables would have been different had we reached the cup final. You therefore cannot make definitive statements on what would have happened if we had. Because we didn't.
Shannerz
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It's the same fantasy world you are making definitive statements on, so why not?
Shannerz
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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I agree reaching the FA Cup Final would have made a big difference to the teams performance towards the end of the season, probably not going on that losing run and miss out on the playoffs.
Winning the Cup Final that's a different matter, even as bad as Man City played on the day I think they would have beaten us anyway, but it would have been a great occasion.
Legia Sky Blue
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Walking away from Wembley after the semi final I tried to console myself with the thought that at least it saved us the embarrassment of a cup final tonking by Man City, which would now surely be the fate waiting Man United instead.
However come cup final day Man City were shot through and couldn't raise themselves even playing their arch rivals. We would obviously have still been huge underdogs and it would have been very unlikely, but our players would have had time to re-energise after the end of the league campaign and would have had a chance, however small, of winning the final.
Shannerz
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I don't know how many more times I'm going to need to say this. These were just hypothetical examples (however unlikely) of possibilities had things turned out differently. I used them to make a point (not clearly enough, obviously). They weren't necessarily examples of things I thought would have happened.
The point was you can't take an event that didn't happen and then say "THIS WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE HAPPENED" if it had. Well, not to the extent that Grendel did, anyway.
For the record, I think we'd have been hammered in the final had the semi had gone differently. I don't know if Robins would still have his job. No-one does.
Grendel
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He was dismissed for reasons nothing to do with last season
Shannerz
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But it's possible that this season would have been different had last season ended differently.
It doesn't matter if you think it wouldn't be, you still can't make a definitive statement about something hypothetical, which is what you did.
You can only speculate.
Grendel
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Well you can only speculate I won’t visit Mars before I die.
Shannerz
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True!
But whether you do or not will ultimately have an answer, because after you die, we'll be able to say definitively whether you travelled to Mars or not.
We're never going to win the 2024 FA Cup semi-final, so nothing can ever be said would definitively happen if we had.
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