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Samueljames1991

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Point 1 - how do you achieve that victory?

The same electorate who voted for Biden, Trump x2 and Obama x2 was mostly the same. So was the electorate more enlightened in 2020 compared to 2016 and 2024? I’m curious to understand the maths here.

Why is voting Democrat inherently in the interest of poorer people? Both Trump presidencies came after Democrat admins. So clearly the policies were rejected, twice. Relying on the state handouts is not the route to a better, prosperous life.

Trump calling Zelensky a dictator was out of line imo. Zelensky is seen as an abrasive character by many and has alienating some of his allies and the US public are siding with Trump/Vance on this public spat.
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Point 1 - I don't know I'm neither a politician/diplomat or a military general. What I do know is if Ukraine is surrendered they're not going to stop there specially with the US in their back pocket.

Point 2

Things like Medicare for example was a policy created to help the poorest get medical care that was butchered by the Republican party in Congress. Student loan forgiveness following COVID is an other example of a Democrat policy to help people (I think this didn't help them overall as it was costly and fucked over the working class who didn't attend university).

Trump is a populist who offers simple answers to complicated problems and inflation has been a massive problem for the average American.

Trump didn't win the popular vote first time round more people voted Democrat in 2016 than Republican. The US voting system allowed him to get in. COVID happens as well as race riots in America which created a super charged movement to get rid of him in 2020. America is fairly racist and had segregation until really not that long ago the Republican party know this and weaponise it to get votes (see the Southern strategy as an example). The south use to be traditionally democrat this flipped over following the civil rights movement.

Shitty economic conditions making the average person worse off combined with poor media literacy and understanding of economics is putting the Western world into a mess.

Again sorry for rambling I'm off to bed now anyway so won't annoy you with anymore 🤣🤣
 
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Samueljames1991

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fernandopartridge said:
It's irrelevant in reality to our relationship with the USA, offering him a state visit to try and massage his ego was a vacuous act by a prime minister completely out of his depth.

In any case, can you list for me some tangible benefits of the "special relationship"?
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Chlorinated Chicken and cheaper Lucky charms cereal for all
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Point 1 - how do you achieve that victory?

The same electorate who voted for Biden, Trump x2 and Obama x2 was mostly the same. So was the electorate more enlightened in 2020 compared to 2016 and 2024? I’m curious to understand the maths here.

Why is voting Democrat inherently in the interest of poorer people? Both Trump presidencies came after Democrat admins. So clearly the policies were rejected, twice. Relying on the state handouts is not the route to a better, prosperous life.

Trump calling Zelensky a dictator was out of line imo. Zelensky is seen as an abrasive character by many and has alienating some of his allies and the US public are siding with Trump/Vance on this public spat.
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It wasn’t a spat
It was a lynching by schoolyard bullies
 
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PVA

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Sick Boy said:
Where’s Starmer?
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"The prime minister has tonight spoken to both President Trump and President Zelensky.

"He retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine.

"The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelensky."
 
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PVA

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The good news, if there is any from this, is that press conference will be a watershed moment in Europe's stance against Russia and will strengthen European resolve against them, without US support.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Anyone watch Fox News
He quoted me well not really but he’s absolutely right we want peace we want peace
Trump just wants an ego boost
Peace is not the absence of war
Spinoza

Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice.” – Spinoza, Theologico-Political Treatise, 1670.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Point 1 - how do you achieve that victory?

The same electorate who voted for Biden, Trump x2 and Obama x2 was mostly the same. So was the electorate more enlightened in 2020 compared to 2016 and 2024? I’m curious to understand the maths here.

Why is voting Democrat inherently in the interest of poorer people? Both Trump presidencies came after Democrat admins. So clearly the policies were rejected, twice. Relying on the state handouts is not the route to a better, prosperous life.

Trump calling Zelensky a dictator was out of line imo. Zelensky is seen as an abrasive character by many and has alienating some of his allies and the US public are siding with Trump/Vance on this public spat.
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The US public when polled overwhelmingly do not want big tax giveaways to the rich and big business. They also support more money going to the most popular government programs ie the state pension, food stamps and Medicare/Medicaid. In voting for Trump and Project 2025 those will now be either kneecapped or eliminated while the robber baron class gets much wealthier. Huge numbers of civil servants and federal workers have lost their livelihoods at the whim of the world’s richest man.

So why did he get in? He’s a very talented charlatan who mastered how to get the population to look in the wrong direction for why their lives are difficult. The Democrats objectively do better jobs of running the country but without the ultra charismatic Obama and also without running on more than tweaking around the edges are going to struggle to beat such a candidate.

You see it in the UK too. People prefer Labour or otherwise progressive policies when polled, but vote for the party delivering the opposite. The Republicans currently are pledging to take $900 billion away from Medicaid while giving $100 billion more to the military. If you ran on that you’d never get elected-so instead they work to divide people up and look for scapegoats and straw men. In the absence of Democrats pledging to increase the minimum wage and deliver single payer healthcare, this is a more compelling narrative.

As the recent town hall events are showing though, now the government is hurting them directly, Republican voters are furious. Just now you have Trump refusing to commit FEMA funds to help West Virginia despite it having suffered extreme flooding. He went further and said FEMA itself should be shut down. That’s ’America First’ is it? Likewise in eliminating the 125,000 jobs that Biden had secured for manufacturing.

We could go on and on, but you’re just wrong on this even if you are in the apparent majority on here.
 
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Otis

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fernandopartridge said:
It's irrelevant in reality to our relationship with the USA, offering him a state visit to try and massage his ego was a vacuous act by a prime minister completely out of his depth.

In any case, can you list for me some tangible benefits of the "special relationship"?
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That they don't invade us or try to buy the UK
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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PVA said:
"The prime minister has tonight spoken to both President Trump and President Zelensky.

"He retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine.

"The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelensky."
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Yes, just saw that on Sky News.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky Blue Pete said:
It wasn’t a spat
It was a lynching by schoolyard bullies
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The US want half of Ukrainian mineral wealth in perpetuity. So the choice is between economic slavery followed by Putin invading later or to have Putin continue to wreak destruction for years longer.

His country is in an impossible position.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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I don’t get it I really don’t
I’ve calmed down a little now
I’ve been bullied in my office as a very young and inexperienced Union rep by a very senior boss and by other union reps
Both times I’ve just stuck to the facts and blown the bullies out of the water
I’m sure zelensky isn’t perfect but how anyone watched that and thought he was rude or disrespectful in any way is mad
Trump and Vance were so beyond what is acceptable it should be their downfall in politics

And as for using naughty words on here - dom you’re so right. How can anyone represent anyone when they can’t control their emotions

Maybe ask the 78m voters who put this fucker in power
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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PVA said:
"The prime minister has tonight spoken to both President Trump and President Zelensky.

"He retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine.

"The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelensky."
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Wow, tough words but unfortunately, actions speak louder than words. Presumably you also agree with the invitation of a state visit?
 
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Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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The time to actually deal with Putin and Russia was well over 10 years ago before they had the chance to get to this point. The division of the West has been it's long-term strategy - it's a bit late to realise that now.
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t get it I really don’t
I’ve calmed down a little now
I’ve been bullied in my office as a very young and inexperienced Union rep by a very senior boss and by other union reps
Both times I’ve just stuck to the facts and blown the bullies out of the water
I’m sure zelensky isn’t perfect but how anyone watched that and thought he was rude or disrespectful in any way is mad
Trump and Vance were so beyond what is acceptable it should be their downfall in politics

And as for using naughty words on here - dom you’re so right. How can anyone represent anyone when they can’t control their emotions

Maybe ask the 78m voters who put this fucker in power
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Wouldn't worry too much about Dom. He likes to throw the C bomb around when it suits.

He's just upset as people are having a go at his orange hero.
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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Trump's press afterwards is fucking mental.

Zelenskyy: "Putin this, Putin that. All negative things".
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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torchomatic said:
It's called insomnia. Suffered all my life. Sleep a couple of hours if I'm lucky.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not even cunts like you.
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Well I didn’t know that did I? It was more the fact that you’ve put all the reactions up, are you really that arsed by world leaders
 
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djr8369

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Sick Boy said:
The time to actually deal with Putin and Russia was well over 10 years ago before they had the chance to get to this point. The division of the West has been it's long-term strategy - it's a bit late to realise that now.
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Well true but the answer in the present isn’t to play into the plan, needs dealing with.
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m sure zelensky isn’t perfect but how anyone watched that and thought he was rude or disrespectful in any way is mad
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Lets remember, he's trying to communicate in his 3rd language and wasn't allowed a word in edgeways -
"You were in Philly campaigning for Biden" - what is Vance, 4 years old?

While we're the subject of children - if yours is bullied do you bring them up to

a) Just give them your lunch money
b) fight back
c) get help from a teacher

There are only 2 correct answers, Zelenskyy's doing both
 
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