Grendel
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The fact his clapped out Army can’t take one country in 3 years might be a clue
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The fact his clapped out Army can’t take one country in 3 years might be a clue
Sky Blue Pete
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Sky Blue Pete
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No chance seriously no chance
It might be the best strategy with a hope they can renegotiate the mineral deal with a more reasonable administration in future.
Assuming he is left to take Ukraine he presumably takes any leftover military equipment..? Can then take the next few years to rebuild. Like he’s done a few times already.
Grendel
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What you are implying is using military force to then achieve regime change.
Your comments are speculative and far more dangerous then letting him have a victory in Ukraine
Brighton Sky Blue
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The framework that surrenders half of his country’s resources to the US?
fernandopartridge
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Was the outcome ever going to be much different? Why do you think the USA invests in wars?
No, I’m implying using enough force to make Putin calculate it’s not worth the risk.
Everyone’s comments are speculative.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Normally it’s because of the military industrial complex rather than purely grabbing the resources of former allies. As it is, Trump and Putin seem to have agreed on a cease fire to allow the US to drain the country of anything worth taking before Russia comes in to take the land.
Incredibly it isn’t even the most heinous thing the US is engaged in given the ethnic cleansing it has planned in Gaza.
It’s not just about that it’s also about the guarantee of security and relative peace through the projection of force to provide stable markets.
Trump the simpleton can only see things as a deal and what’s in it for him but if he helps create a situation which batters global financial markets it will ultimately harm the USA.
Ccfcisparks
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Wish we had a leader who has a love and fight for his country like Zelensky, rather than the wet blanket we have.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Got to have something to distract from the Trump administration releasing a fake Epstein report.
HungarySkyBlue
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Time for Europe to wake up and take responsibility now, cut off ties with America they need us more than we need them especially economically.
Send their troops packing from the bases here, it will soon cause panic among the US government.
Hopefully the orangutan dies sooner rather than later.
Slava Ukraine.
Send their troops packing from the bases here, it will soon cause panic among the US government.
Hopefully the orangutan dies sooner rather than later.
Slava Ukraine.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Should have started some riots to prevent Agent Orange taking power
Sick Boy
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The Return of Action Man.
And yet the world would be a much better/safer place with her in office.
chiefdave
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Every day you think we've reached a low and nothing Trump can do will surprise you but he manages to pull something out of the bag every time.
Truly insane that there's people trying to blame this on Zelensky. Although not sure if that's more insane than people suggesting Zelensky doesn't want peace and / or won't negotiate because he won't just hand the country over to Putin and its natural resources over to Trump and Musk with nothing in return.
History tells us that Putin will just come back for more once he has regrouped anyway. Without any security element of a negotiated end what is there to stop that happening again?
Truly insane that there's people trying to blame this on Zelensky. Although not sure if that's more insane than people suggesting Zelensky doesn't want peace and / or won't negotiate because he won't just hand the country over to Putin and its natural resources over to Trump and Musk with nothing in return.
History tells us that Putin will just come back for more once he has regrouped anyway. Without any security element of a negotiated end what is there to stop that happening again?
Brylowes
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In all honesty Pete, if it wasn’t for the fact we are an Island nation, there’s little doubt that we to would have been bent over backwards.
Our geographical position, has always been our strength.
Flying Fokker
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Of course
If that’s the case, Trump may have been barking up the wrong tree.
Ukraine was supposed to have offered a deal with Obama years ago. The US turned it down because it was deemed non-viable.
If that’s the case, Trump may have been barking up the wrong tree.
Brighton Sky Blue
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On this occasion Ukraine did float the idea of allowing the US 10% or so of the mineral wealth. Trump took that and whacked up to 50%.
Ian1779
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Of course they are. They want the precious metal resources that are in Ukraine and don’t really care how they achieve that.
Everyone incessantly suggesting he’s Putin’s stooge are missing the point. He’ll pretend to be anyone’s stooge to get what he wants. He doesn’t care how many EU leaders send tweets of support to Zelensky.
mmttww
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...apart from proxy wars all over the world.
Ian1779
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If you made a list of proxy wars since WW2 instigated by USA, China and Russia would it be a balanced list?
Brylowes
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this “for the birds” saying is really in vogue atm isn’t it
Brylowes
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Have you been checked out at a sleep clinic.
mmttww
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Law degree, prosecutor, Senator, Vice President.
or an incontinent bankrupt and a sh*tty bond villain.
We disagree, but fml this post is just beyond grim.
Sky Blue Pete
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It was a mistake of churchills that history has been rewritten from what happened
Captain Dart
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There is no conspiracy. 
Flying Fokker
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Zelensky had said thank you to America '33 times' before JD Vance onslaught
Vice-President JD Vance scolded the Ukrainian president for not saying thank you to the United States in the Oval Office yesterday.
Sick Boy
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They're obviously coordinated messages. It's hardly a conspiracy.