Summer Transfer Window (7 Viewers)

[skybluecam]

You basically need an entire new spine after getting promoted. Championship CBs aren't quick or smart enough, CMs aren't athletic or good enough on the ball, and strikers need to be athletic, elite finishers.

People forget that Forest, Brighton and Brentford stayed up by being defensive, hard-to-beat cloggers. They didn't go up and immediately try to play teams off the park. They spent money getting stronger in the key positions.

If we did go up, we have two players I would be happy remaining as starters. Dovin and MVE. The rest I would have no qualms if we tried to sign improvements for. Even Haji and Grimes.

Haji’s better than Dovin or MVE.

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

You basically need an entire new spine after getting promoted. Championship CBs aren't quick or smart enough, CMs aren't athletic or good enough on the ball, and strikers need to be athletic, elite finishers.

People forget that Forest, Brighton and Brentford stayed up by being defensive, hard-to-beat cloggers. They didn't go up and immediately try to play teams off the park. They spent money getting stronger in the key positions.

If we did go up, we have two players I would be happy remaining as starters. Dovin and MVE. The rest I would have no qualms if we tried to sign improvements for. Even Haji and Grimes.

I think you’d be surprised how many players could make the jump up. Ayari has become a decent role player for Brighton this season and many people thought he’d struggle to make a career in the EFL…

The priority we’d have as a club is adjusting the playing budget from lower to middling Championship to a top end one.

 

[TomRad85]

Imagine thinking we'd even try and sign a whole first 11 if promoted. I'm sure the management have more faith in some of our first teamers than posters on here... at least i hope they do.
You need to be smart with the recruitment but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Haji’s better than Dovin or MVE.

The guys on the Not The Top 20 podcast were waxing lyrical about how Haji Wright is too good for the league. On his day, he is unplayable in this league.

 

[TomRad85]

Haji’s better than Dovin or MVE.

You can't even make a comparison tbh. I do think all 3 would start a hypothetical first game in the Premier League, regardless of whether posters on here want to bin off the whole squad or not.

 

[Winny the Bish]

Haji’s better than Dovin or MVE.

Probably, but he plays in a position where you need to have a complete game. In this made-up world where we get promoted, if the club bought in competition for him I wouldn't be up in arms about it.

 

[Balli001]

I think you’d be surprised how many players could make the jump up. Ayari has become a decent role player for Brighton this season and many people thought he’d struggle to make a career in the EFL…

The priority we’d have as a club is adjusting the playing budget from lower to middling Championship to a top end one.

They may make the jump up but not all together in the same struggling team. Take Ipswich. Very good level championships players but losing every week in the premier league.

 

[Balli001]

You’ve got to spend big and try and stay up IMO. Look at Luton, there’s no guarantees you are strong when you come back down.

Get a few key players in along the spine and a couple of loans at least. I’m not convinced you should be building a championship all stars team as most players are there for a reason.

On the flip side if we dont stay up we are stuck with players on big contracts who we cant shift easily, or we have overspent beyond our resources. I agree that to compete we would need a lot of players but its a catch 22 really longer term

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Curiously if we did go up, would be people prefer we spent a lot of that money and made a real go of it or went more the Luton route and purchased the CBS?

 

[TomRad85]

You're all mad anyway, at least half the current squad would make up a match day squad in the Prem in the event of a promotion. The chances of staying up even spending £100 million plus these days is fairly slim, we'd just have to hope the recruitment is bang on and that certain players can step up... and more importantly, at least one current Prem team absolutely shits the bed.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

They may make the jump up but not all together in the same struggling team. Take Ipswich. Very good level championships players but losing every week in the premier league.

It’s not quite the same because the Prem is a massive jump, but who would have felt the likes of Allen, McFadz, Kelly and Wilson would have played key roles in us finishing 5th place in 22/23? The point here is that there are players who can make the jump up and there will be those who surpass expectations.

If we were to get promoted, it’s not a realistic expectation to stay up at the first time of asking. So the recruitment strategy would be geared to getting players in who would dominate the Championship in 26/27 with a view to coming up and staying up in the Prem.

Lampard is a pragmatic manager which will put us in good stead and for his career, getting us promoted and keeping us up would be huge for his reputation in the same way Dyche, Howe and arguably Potter built their reputations.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Curiously if we did go up, would be people prefer we spent a lot of that money and made a real go of it or went more the Luton route and purchased the CBS?

I’d rather the club built a highly competitive squad. Luton are building a stadium rather than buying one which is a lot more expensive.

Renting a stadium has certain benefits with respect to maintenance. Money you’d rather not have to commit until you’re an established Prem team.

 

[shmmeee]

On the flip side if we dont stay up we are stuck with players on big contracts who we cant shift easily, or we have overspent beyond our resources. I agree that to compete we would need a lot of players but its a catch 22 really longer term

That’s what parachute payments are for. As always it comes down to decent recruitment really. Either people who can do the job in the championship or who we can sell for our money back ideally.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I’d rather the club built a highly competitive squad. Luton are building a stadium rather than buying one which is a lot more expensive.

Renting a stadium has certain benefits with respect to maintenance. Money you’d rather not have to commit until you’re an established Prem team.

True on the renting, thought to ask the question as while I get that angle. I’m still unsettled by the arena and would just love to get it sorted once and for all. Of course no reason why we can’t do both.

If I’m not wrong isn’t promotion via play offs worth £190 mil?

 

[mmttww]

Curiously if we did go up, would be people prefer we spent a lot of that money and made a real go of it or went more the Luton route and purchased the CBS?

I'd rather we spend it on a proper training ground and academy, and keep the recruitment strategy broadly the same. Need to keep improving on and off the field.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I'd rather we spend it on a proper training ground and academy, and keep the recruitment strategy broadly the same. Need to keep improving on and off the field.

Agreed, it’s critical infrastructure the club needs to invest in if we want to develop for the long term.

True on the renting, thought to ask the question as while I get that angle. I’m still unsettled by the arena and would just love to get it sorted once and for all. Of course no reason why we can’t do both.

If I’m not wrong isn’t promotion via play offs worth £190 mil?

It is, but it’s not a lump sum in the clubs bank account. Man City don’t own their stadium and I’m sure Leicester’s owners didn’t buy the ground straight after promotion.

Invest in the club and playing staff to make it Premiership ready, then we can worry about the stadium.

 

[Balli001]

That’s what parachute payments are for. As always it comes down to decent recruitment really. Either people who can do the job in the championship or who we can sell for our money back ideally.

But the level of investment needed to even come close to staying up in the premier league is way beyond the amount of parachute money we would get. No chance we even come close to recouping the money should we inevitably go down. Much rather improve the training ground, academy and possibly even acquire the CBS.

 

[Winny the Bish]

True on the renting, thought to ask the question as while I get that angle. I’m still unsettled by the arena and would just love to get it sorted once and for all. Of course no reason why we can’t do both.

If I’m not wrong isn’t promotion via play offs worth £190 mil?

It's £100m of revenue per season in the PL.

The additional £90m that gets added to that figure is parachute payments. But you need to spend 2 seasons in the Prem to get £90m. If you go straight down it's £60m.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

It's £100m of revenue per season in the PL.

The additional £90m that gets added to that figure is parachute payments. But you need to spend 2 seasons in the Prem to get £90m. If you go straight down it's £60m.

I thought the 90 comes from the play offs final itself but never looked into it. Thanks for the info.

 

[shmmeee]

But the level of investment needed to even come close to staying up in the premier league is way beyond the amount of parachute money we would get. No chance we even come close to recouping the money should we inevitably go down. Much rather improve the training ground, academy and possibly even acquire the CBS.

That will all come when the club is stable in the PL tho. There’s no financial future for the club in the Championship, the aim has to be staying up and becoming a fixture in the league like Forest managed. You can’t be scared to try.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I'd rather we spend it on a proper training ground and academy, and keep the recruitment strategy broadly the same. Need to keep improving on and off the field.

Good third option. Wonder if we did want to move from Ryton where we would go. Assumed we would have moved to a spot owned by the Warwick university when we were on about the stadium.

At least that or the Alan Higgs

 

[skybluecam]

I thought the 90 comes from the play offs final itself but never looked into it. Thanks for the info.

The way the media describes the reward for winning the playoffs (richest game in football etc) can be misleading.

There's no special financial reward for winning the playoffs. The auto spots give out more prize money (although believe the actual playoff matches may earn you a fair amount in terms of ticket sales). The playoff final is just described that way due to the difference between winning and losing a one off game.

 

[bazza16]

He

Why? The wages he'd command are just not worth it.

A player I rate, who wanted to come back to Cov, before he went to Norwich and can play CB /LB.
What wages is he demanding and what is is on at the moment?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

He

A player I rate, who wanted to come back to Cov, before he went to Norwich and can play CB /LB.
What wages is he demanding and what is is on at the moment?

Did he really want to come back to us?

 

[bazza16]

What I've been told by someone who knows him, yes. We were not interested though
If we want to buy him now, Wages won't be the problem, it will be the transfer fee.

Did he really want to come back to us?

 

[Offhegoes]

We are technically a good squad. We showed against Wolves, Spurs (albeit a 2nd string side) and Man U that we can compete. I think players like Dovin, MVE, Torp, Grimes, Sheaf, Wright, Sakamoto and EMC could perform in the Premier League. I am sure Frank would of assessed that before taking the job.

 

[Marty]

I'd rather we spend it on a proper training ground and academy, and keep the recruitment strategy broadly the same. Need to keep improving on and off the field.

Agree on the training ground but is it even worth having an academy? Anyone half decent is snatched away before we get a chance to see them play and make money on them and the vast majority don't end up good enough for the level we find ourselves at.
Would we be better off trying to find the likes of the next Morgan Rogers, that the top clubs don't think will be good enough and getting them to develop around the first team/on loan.

 

[Balli001]

That will all come when the club is stable in the PL tho. There’s no financial future for the club in the Championship, the aim has to be staying up and becoming a fixture in the league like Forest managed. You can’t be scared to try.

I agree if we stayed up then thats the start but you cant just spend and not think of the negatives also. Big difference between trying to stay up and overspending beyond our means on a massive gamble

 

[Balli001]

Agree on the training ground but is it even worth having an academy? Anyone half decent is snatched away before we get a chance to see them play and make money on them and the vast majority don't end up good enough for the level we find ourselves at.
Would we be better off trying to find the likes of the next Morgan Rogers, that the top clubs don't think will be good enough and getting them to develop around the first team/on loan.

The level we are currently at academy wise is part of the reason for that. If we invested and managed to go up a level we could attract better quality youngsters and potentially hold on to them for longer.

 

[shmmeee]

I agree if we stayed up then thats the start but you cant just spend and not think of the negatives also. Big difference between trying to stay up and overspending beyond our means on a massive gamble

It’s not though. People keep saying this like loads of clubs don’t do it.

 

[mmttww]

...is it even worth having an academy?

Fair point. Unless the system changes, I'd rather go down the B Team route but I'm assuming King and co. want to keep the academy, so if they do, I'd want us to do it properly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I really couldn't see MVE staying in the Championship with his value at its peak and decent European or even PL clubs interested.

 

[Trueskyblue20]

He’s 29, I don’t think that’s the kind of player we’d be interested in.

Unlike Matty Grimes who we definitely didn’t sign in Jan

 

[Marty]

Filip Rozga at Cracovia would be worth a punt IMO, only young, very raw, very one footed, but goes past players like they aren't even there at times, reminds me of Jack Clarke.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Filip Rozga at Cracovia would be worth a punt IMO, only young, very raw, very one footed, but goes past players like they aren't even there at times, reminds me of Jack Clarke.

2 goal contributions in 21 games isn't that appealing.