Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (7 Viewers)

[Macca]

Unlike Trump he hasn’t ever been funny

Agreed but he's been a darling to the middle classes

 

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[Grendel]

Just to make sure I'm keeping up, then. Your position is that Reeves and co. are incompetent because growth forecasts are wiggling around by fractions of 1% with the cause of that variation being global events caused entirely by Trump and co.

but you'll defend policies he's rolled out that crashed global markets and will almost certainly leave people around the world with less disposable income as prices inflate, and she's 'Rachel from Accounts', and we should give his policies a chance.

If that's the extent of your ability to reflect on the positions you're taking or defending there's no point talking about it. You've made your point and you're being consistent but if you can't see the mad double standards you're using, then I'm out.

The growth forecast was mocked from the beginning and even the forecasts were halved before this.

Taxing businesses was clueless from the start. Finding gaps through welfare restrictions and penalising pensioners is just embarrassing.

She is clueless

 

[mmttww]

and as such he's obliged to address the obvious lack of equality in so many trade agreements...

You got any examples of agreements which the US negotiated that lack equality? If you think he has anyone's interests but his own and his backers in mind with any of this, that seems naive. Worth having a read about his approach to Crypto as a sign of how he thinks and operates. Someone posted the Rolling Stones article about it earlier in the thread.

 

[mmttww]

She is clueless

Maybe she is, we'll find out. Doesn't mean the free pass the tan man gets from some on here doesn't reek of double standards and misogyny.

 

[Flying Fokker]

 

[Grendel]

Maybe she is, we'll find out. Doesn't mean the free pass the tan man gets from some on here doesn't reek of double standards and misogyny.

no it doesn’t. So anyone criticising Badenoch is a misogynist?

It’s you that seems to think reeves gender needs highlighting.

 

[wingy]

On Reeves, the justification for the ‘spring statement’ was the ‘changing world’ with a specific focus on the impending Trump Tariffs. It was the government used it as a pretence even they though they didn’t know what to expect exactly.

Considering the government, by all accounts, think they’ve got off ‘lightly’ with a 10% tariff goes to show just how bad their planning was if the fiscal headroom is expected to be wiped out nonetheless.

It probably would’ve made sense to wait a couple of weeks to know what you’re dealing with.

Well like today or tomorrow then, isn't this what happened before?

 

[mmttww]

no it doesn’t.

Does to me. I can live with you thinking otherwise.

 

[Grendel]

Does to me. I can live with you thinking otherwise.

Interesting editing there.

 

[mmttww]

Interesting editing there.

It's not edited. I'm confused. Like this...

 

[Grendel]

It's not edited. I'm confused. Like this...

No you made a reference to Reeves gender which no one else has - which is actually revealing.

Most of the critics of Reeves are on the left of politics - get your head around that

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The growth forecast was mocked from the beginning and even the forecasts were halved before this.

Taxing businesses was clueless from the start. Finding gaps through welfare restrictions and penalising pensioners is just embarrassing.

She is clueless

Most of what she's been doing is a continuation of Tory policy from the last 14 years. If the Tories were in power and making cuts I doubt you'd be calling them clueless for it (even though I agree that it is. ) Everyone knew growth would be poor because making cuts always restricts growth because people have less money in their pocket so no-one can buy anything, but it is what most economic bodies expect governments to do even though it never works.

So she can't tax businesses cos that's clueless. Making cuts to welfare and pensioners is embarrassing. You've made it quite clear you think other taxes on individuals etc. shouldn't be raised. Have you suddenly become a leftie and think the government should spend money on infrastructure to create jobs even though it doesn't allow you to 'balance the books' and you have to borrow/issue more?

Because if not what's left for her to do? Magic beans hoping one sprouts into a money tree? Breeding geese in the hope one starts laying golden eggs?

 

[Grendel]

Most of what she's been doing is a continuation of Tory policy from the last 14 years. If the Tories were in power and making cuts I doubt you'd be calling them clueless for it (even though I agree that it is. ) Everyone knew growth would be poor because making cuts always restricts growth because people have less money in their pocket so no-one can buy anything, but it is what most economic bodies expect governments to do even though it never works.

So she can't tax businesses cos that's clueless. Making cuts to welfare and pensioners is embarrassing. You've made it quite clear you think other taxes on individuals etc. shouldn't be raised. Have you suddenly become a leftie and think the government should spend money on infrastructure to create jobs even though it doesn't allow you to 'balance the books' and you have to borrow/issue more?

Because if not what's left for her to do? Magic beans hoping one sprouts into a money tree? Breeding geese in the hope one starts laying golden eggs?

She wants growth. Only way to do that is stimulate demand - reduce VAT as Sunak did and personal taxation as well as increasing the tax free allowance so people actually see cash on their pockets.

Nationalise utilities and transport services and accept that net zero legislation at present is not workable

 

[mmttww]

No you made a reference to Reeves gender which no one else has - which is actually revealing.

Most of the critics of Reeves are on the left of politics - get your head around that

People can be misogynistic without being explicit. You don't see some posts as misogynistic, I do. If you want to keep trying to tie this in knots, go for it. I cba to keep saying the same thing over and over.

I'm an open critic of Labour since the election and am pretty far to the left by most people's standards. Doesn't mean I can't find people's attitudes towards her as contradictory or misogynistic.

 

[Grendel]

People can be misogynistic without being explicit. You don't see some posts as misogynistic, I do. If you want to keep trying to tie this in knots, go for it. I cba to keep saying the same thing over and over.

I'm an open critic of Labour since the election and am pretty far to the left by most people's standards. Doesn't mean I can't find people's attitudes towards her as contradictory or misogynistic.

Who on here is showing misogyny then? Name and shame.

 

[mmttww]

Name and shame.

No, it's sunny and it's Friday.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

She wants growth. Only way to do that is stimulate demand - reduce VAT as Sunak did and personal taxation as well as increasing the tax free allowance so people actually see cash on their pockets.

Nationalise utilities and transport services and accept that net zero legislation at present is not workable

I agree that if her aims are for growth then that top sentence makes far more sense than what she is doing. However, despite all the evidence that what she is doing will stunt growth it seems that balancing the books short term takes priority. Even though growth can do that eventually it's seen as riskier because it's cutting revenue while the growth is by no means guaranteed so it may end up putting you in a worse position.

Why this attitude appears to be different to making cuts, which seem to be approved of because you are spending less money but seemingly ignores the fact it will also mean you spend more on welfare and social consequences, I can't work out.

I certainly agree on nationalisation, and though the effectiveness of net zero legislation can be debated the industries around it are definitely ones we need to be looking at for future growth.

 

[fatso]

You got any examples of agreements which the US negotiated that lack equality? If you think he has anyone's interests but his own and his backers in mind with any of this, that seems naive. Worth having a read about his approach to Crypto as a sign of how he thinks and operates. Someone posted the Rolling Stones article about it earlier in the thread.

It's literally been all over the news.
The tariffs Trump has imposed are less than those imposed on the goods imported from the US.

The question is, which dickheads in the US signed off on deals which are so heavily weighted against US manufacturers?

 

[mmttww]

It's literally been all over the news.

I've not seen him refer to any particular agreements. I've seen him talk about other countries pillaging the US which is a LOL. You seem to think he cares about the population of the US, I don't. We're not gonna persuade each other of anything else if we see things differently in that respect.

 

[fatso]

I've not seen him refer to any particular agreements. I've seen him talk about other countries pillaging the US which is a LOL. You seem to think he cares about the population of the US, I don't. We're not gonna persuade each other of anything else if we see things differently in that respect.

Well time will tell, the answer will be the state of the US economy at the end of his time in office.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Who on here is showing misogyny then? Name and shame.

… Seems like there may have been a Freudian slip and projecting onto others.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well time will tell, the answer will be the state of the US economy at the end of his time in office.

I get the impression you will be saying it's brilliant regardless.

 

[fatso]

I get the impression you will be saying it's brilliant regardless.

I'm sure you do

 

[mmttww]

Trump Informs Nation They Better Start Liking Those Little Canned Wieners

WASHINGTON—Saying that Americans should anticipate certain lifestyle changes as a result of his newly announced tariffs, President Donald Trump informed the nation Thursday that they better start liking those little canned wieners. “Hope you aren’t too attached to whatever fancy crap you eat...

theonion.com

 

[chiefdave]

Having run on a platform of bringing down prices after crashing the stock market he has now turned round to his voters and told them they're going to have to just put up with higher prices and job losses.

Also no showed a repatriation for four dead US soldiers today preferring to, you guessed it, play golf. These are the same dead soldiers that when he was first asked about them he had no clue they had been killed and the next time he was asked about them said they were crushed by a truck 'like a toy'.

 

[CCFCSteve]

‘Interesting’ times. Will let all the tariff stuff play out before passing judgement. There is no doubt that one of the aims is to take some heat out the economy short term and get 10 year yields down (US gov borrowing costs - there’s around 9trn to refinance this year as well as reducing mortgage rates to get property market moving) in addition to medium term aim of increasing investment and production in US.

But as mentioned a while back who knows at what cost or the unintended consequences - does the reduced cost of borrowing outweigh the short term losses in stock market value and share portfolios (consumer confidence), potential recession and in turn tax take, lost of trust in US etc ? A major concern is there’s rumours circulating that Bessent is not happy.

 

[Captain Dart]

‘Interesting’ times. Will let all the tariff stuff play out before passing judgement. There is no doubt that one of the aims is to take some heat out the economy short term and get 10 year yields down (US gov borrowing costs - there’s around 9trn to refinance this year as well as reducing mortgage rates to get property market moving) in addition to medium term aim of increasing investment and production in US.

But as mentioned a while back who knows at what cost or the unintended consequences - does the reduced cost of borrowing outweigh the short term losses in stock market value and share portfolios (consumer confidence), potential recession and in turn tax take, lost of trust in US etc ? A major concern is there’s rumours circulating that Bessent is not happy.

I listened to Bessent's talk with Tucker Carlsson the other day and he seemed positive. It was quite interesting and wide ranging talking about Tariffs, Ukraine, Gold movements, bond markets, manufacturing/consumer balancing in economy, Reganomics, European reaction & effects on the Chinese economy, worries about World peace.

No idea how it will pan out in the long run but this is the way it is going to be for the next 4 years.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I listened to Bessent's talk with Tucker Carlsson the other day and he seemed positive. It was quite interesting and wide ranging talking about Tariffs, Ukraine, Gold movements, bond markets, manufacturing/consumer balancing in economy, Reganomics, European reaction & effects on the Chinese economy, worries about World peace.

No idea how it will pan out in the long run but this is the way it is going to be for the next 4 years.

Tucker Carlson

 

[Otis]

Tucker Carlson

Yup. You might as well say you've just listened to a Chuckle Brother.

 

[SBT]

I listened to Bessent's talk with Tucker Carlsson the other day and he seemed positive. It was quite interesting and wide ranging talking about Tariffs, Ukraine, Gold movements, bond markets, manufacturing/consumer balancing in economy, Reganomics, European reaction & effects on the Chinese economy, worries about World peace.

No idea how it will pan out in the long run but this is the way it is going to be for the next 4 years.

Did he ask any questions about why Russian supermarkets are so good these days?

 

[PVA]

Remember when he made a big deal about securing an explosive interview with Putin that was going to rock the western world... Only for Putin to rattle on about Russian history for two hours without Tucker getting a word in.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I listened to Bessent's talk with Tucker Carlsson the other day and he seemed positive. It was quite interesting and wide ranging talking about Tariffs, Ukraine, Gold movements, bond markets, manufacturing/consumer balancing in economy, Reganomics, European reaction & effects on the Chinese economy, worries about World peace.

No idea how it will pan out in the long run but this is the way it is going to be for the next 4 years.

Yeah, it’s complex ! I think there’s a lot more to it than meets the eye with these initial tariffs

Others comments about Carlson miss the point a bit. Unfortunately due to polarised politics you don’t get Republicans in as many detailed chats on say CNN like you wouldn’t get Dems do many detailed interviews on channels like Fox. Unfortunately that means you might have to have to watch/listen to an interviewer or presenter you don’t particularly like to hear the full story….even if it might have a biased slant. One of the many issues I have with todays politics

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, it’s complex ! Theres a lot more to it than meets the eye. Trump

Others comments about Carlson miss the point a bit. Unfortunately due to polarised politics you don’t get Republicans in as many detailed chats on CNN like you wouldn’t get Dems do many detailed interviews of Fox. Unfortunately that means you might have to have to watch/listen to an interviewer or presenter you don’t particularly like to hear the full story….even if it might have a biased slant. One of the many issues I have with todays politics

The mistake you're making is treating Trump like a rational actor trying to act in his country's best interests. The Republicans are currently pushing through enormous tax cuts for the very wealthy, raising them on most other earners while Trump and Musk eliminate most of the state.

It's a robber baron coup

 

[CCFCSteve]

The mistake you're making is treating Trump like a rational actor trying to act in his country's best interests. The Republicans are currently pushing through enormous tax cuts for the very wealthy, raising them on most other earners while Trump and Musk eliminate most of the state.

It's a robber baron coup

He’s far from rational but if you listen to Bessent there is possibly some method to the tariff madness. I think Trumps gone further than maybe Bessent wanted/ expected though.

Not sure about the tax cut side at the moment as I haven’t seen anything specific formulated although expect him to be a cutter and knowing Trump it’s unlikely to disadvantage him personally !

Will wait to see how it all plays out though as Trump intentionally creates so much ‘noise’, some as part of the negotiation and some as a diversion, so it’s hard to judge.

 

[SBT]

He’s far from rational but if you listen to Bessent there is possibly some method to the tariff madness. I think Trumps gone further than maybe Bessent wanted/ expected though.

Bessent, like Mnuchin before him, is largely irrelevant. He’s there to reassure his contacts on Wall Street that there are adults in the room and try to rationalise the irrational in the occasional TV interview. He clearly has next to no influence on Trump’s decision making.