Pro-SISU / Anti-SISU (44 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes you are right I have seen that a few times

Unfortunately he is taking them into account alright but not quite as people expected

ACL have budged big time-if he were a man of his word he'd budge the £100k or so needed to bridge the gap.

 

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[Grendel]

ACL have budged big time-if he were a man of his word he'd budge the £100k or so needed to bridge the gap.

What about the small matter of the money outstanding?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What about the small matter of the money outstanding?

Guess Fisher shouldn't have withheld it. There was also a very generous repayment plan for that I believe.

 

[Grendel]

Guess Fisher shouldn't have withheld it. There was also a very generous repayment plan for that I believe.

I don't see why he should pay it and clearly neither does he.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't see why he should pay it and clearly neither does he.

Because he's contractually obliged.

 

[Grendel]

Because he's contractually obliged.

However of the rent is restructured it has to be from the beginning of this season doesn't it? They paid up to then didn't they?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

However of the rent is restructured it has to be from the beginning of this season doesn't it? They paid up to then didn't they?

Rent started being withheld in April I think.

 

[Grendel]

Can you think of another venue that can do concerts, and have an exhibition hall and casino? Is there anything else quite like the Ricoh per se?!? Especially immediately adjacent to a motorway?

Besides, would it need a permanent tenant?

Let me expand on the above. We've seen matches at the Ricoh, such as Cardiff Blues against Northampton Saints, or Saracens against Munster that have drawn big crowds - the latter being over 28K for example. In fact so much hospitality was needed, the exhibition hall had to be opened to accommodate eaters/drinkers. Now look at what Harlequins are doing with their 'Big Games' Over Christmas, they moved to Twickers for the London Irish game, and sold out 82,000. Their 'normal' gates are closer to 14K as that's the stadium capacity.

Think about Northampton - just down the road. Still a top half Premiership rugby team. What if they played all of their Premiership games at Franklin Gardens, at 13.5K capacity, but played one or two 'big games' at a re-branded Ricoh a season? Let's say the Leicester Tigers game, as an example. And what if they played their Heineken Cup (European) games at the Ricoh?

I'm sorry old boy, I then see 6 to 8 gates of 25K+ a season at the 'Home of Northampton Rugby'. Doesn't sound nice, does it?

However, it could be closer to financial reality if ACL's claims are true

Just out of interest aren't Northampton seeking planning permission to expand their ground?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

BSB...

It seems Grendel conveniently didn't respond to your last post. Oh Grendel...next time you speak to Fisher, tell him he owes the "Escrow Fund" 500k too. thanks old chap!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

BSB...

It seems Grendel conveniently didn't respond to your last post. Oh Grendel...next time you speak to Fisher, tell him he owes the "Escrow Fund" 500k too. thanks old chap!

To be fair I strongly disagree with him on this issue-still don't get the support for Fisher's conduct.

 

[Moff]

Just out of interest aren't Northampton seeking planning permission to expand their ground?

Grendel, yes, they are.

See your stalker is back :facepalm:

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Rent was started being witheld March/April, and when you get the chance Grendel...Tell Fisher he owes 500k to the "Escrow Account" too.(Money SISU never contributed to)

 

[Grendel]

Rent was started being witheld March/April, and when you get the chance Grendel...Tell Fisher he owes 500k to the "Escrow Account" too.(Money SISU never contributed to)

I fail to see why they should pay that money into the account. I would think the biggest issue regarding rent is the back payment. Sisu will not commit to it. Lets face it if the landlord admits to over charging 300% you are not going to pay any arrears out at the old level are you.

Read it slowly, read it twice if you have to then it makes sense - yes?

 

[Grendel]

Grendel, yes, they are.

See your stalker is back :facepalm:

I know nothing about rugby but it seems nonsense to suggest the Ricoh will hold 8 games there. Attendances nationally are declining. Saints seem to be reversing the trend but still admit for most games it's a struggle to sell out. To maximise income they are expanding one of the stands with increased corporate hospitality.

Clearly another diversionary bomb from MMM which as usual has more holes than a slab of stinky Gorgonzola.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I fail to see why they should pay that money into the account. I would think the biggest issue regarding rent is the back payment. Sisu will not commit to it. Lets face it if the landlord admits to over charging 300% you are not going to pay any arrears out at the old level are you.

Read it slowly, read it twice if you have to then it makes sense - yes?

Because it's contractually obliged, as I so often keep saying.

 

[Grendel]

See your stalker is back :facepalm:

Yes odd as he says I only reply to his posts. I think he needs to take a look at himself.

 

[Grendel]

Because it's contractually obliged, as I so often keep saying.

Contracts are there to be broken - such is life.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Contracts are there to be broken - such is life.

I'm sorry Grendel but that is such utter nonsense it takes any credibility from your argument.

 

[Grendel]

I'm sorry Grendel but that is such utter nonsense it takes any credibility from your argument.

No it does not. It only does if the company required to pay it is the weaker party. That is the unanswered question. Do ACL need Coventry city? If its yes than absolutely this contract can be broken.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Dick Turpin wore a mask, Fisher and SISU don't even bother.(Escrow Account wasn't theirs to begin with)
I thought you were a clever man Grendel. One part of your argument is based on "SISU had paid to the start of new season"..No you're not a clever man but a stupid one. A fair rent is what is needed, and I totally agree with that, but Fisher and SISU shouldn't be allowed to(What is effectively steal) money that doesn't belong to them. 10 years is a very good offer for SISU to pay back what they owe, and pay back they must!

 

[Grendel]

Dick Turpin wore a mask, Fisher and SISU don't even bother.(Escrow Account wasn't theirs to begin with)
I thought you were a clever man Grendel. One part of your argument is based on "SISU had paid to the start of new season"..No you're not a clever man but a stupid one. A fair rent is what is needed, and I totally agree with that, but Fisher and SISU shouldn't be allowed to(What is effectively steal) money that doesn't belong to them. 10 years is a very good offer for SISU to pay back what they owe, and pay back they must!

No they don't have to do anything. Not if the council and ACL want the club. Imagine if they win tonight one game away from Wembley. Will the council want to end that dream? I don't think so and I see no reason to pay back a rent that is too high and always has been.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No it does not. It only does if the company required to pay it is the weaker party. That is the unanswered question. Do ACL need Coventry city? If its yes than absolutely this contract can be broken.

'Contracts are there to be broken'-not something you expect any honest professional to say.

 

[Godiva]

Dick Turpin wore a mask, Fisher and SISU don't even bother.(Escrow Account wasn't theirs to begin with)

To be fair - they bought the company with all assets including the escrow.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

More waffle and diberaion from the SISU apologist. Still can't answer direct and pertinent questions though.

The early failures at the club, broken promises and shattered financial plan the fault of Ranson, not SISU.

Sending Thorn, a manager with barely two months experience into the relaxation season, shorn of summer departures and funded in the bottom three of the league. Well, the obvious outcome being wholly Thorn's fault; with no cupability for SISU, who appointed and oversaw him.

Now, rent, which was never mentioned until we got into trouble. Well, guess what. That's not SISU's fault either.

Is it non-stick pans you sell?

 

[Grendel]

'Contracts are there to be broken'-not something you expect any honest professional to say.

In many businesses such things happen. I've seen it first hand - you'd be surprised.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

In many businesses such things happen. I've seen it first hand - you'd be surprised.

You're right there.

 

[Grendel]

More waggle and diberaion from the SISU apologist. Still can't answer direct and pertinent questions though.

The early failures at the club, broken promises and shattered financial plan the fault of Ranson, not SISU.

Sending Thorn, a manager with barely two months experience into the relaxation season, shorn of summer departures and funded in the bottom three of the league. Well, the obvious outcome being wholly Thorn's fault; with no cupability for SISU, who appointed and oversaw him.

Now, rent, which was never mentioned until we got into trouble. Well, guess what. That's not SISU's fault either.

Is it non-stick pans you sell?

It's you who doesn't answer MMM. Northampton have never played a game here and never will. We are the only game in town. Time to reflect on that I think.

Time for

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

To be fair - they bought the company with all assets including the escrow.


I think a lot of former shareholders would take you to task on that statement. Did SISU take out a £20m mortgage that gave CCFC a ground to play football on?

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Contracts are there to be broken - such is life.

And there Grendel loses all credibility.
No, contracts are not there to be broken by any professional or reputable business in the UK.
Your Sisu-love has led you to a laughable position.

 

[Grendel]

And there Grendel loses all credibility.
No, contracts are not there to be broken by any professional or reputable business in the UK.
Your Sisu-love has led you to a laughable position.

And you clearly have never worked in industry.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And you clearly have never worked in industry.

If that approach existed in the industry I was in last year we'd have been shut down.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Grendel.....pssstttt Grendel.........WRONG!

Coventry (I'm afraid to tell you) have TWO(2) more games to get to the final...Home and away.:facepalm:

 

[lordsummerisle]

Hooray for Sisu(and AT).

Would never have even been in the JPT if not for the forward planning of these.

Hail them, not hate.

 

[TommyAtkins]

When AB was sacked, SISU wanted to appoint Mark Robins as manager but it was pressure from the fans that led to Thorn being given the job.

SISU should have maintained the aim and ignored the fans. If football over the past 100 years has ever proven anything, it is that fans know nothing about football. And finances.

 

[lordsummerisle]

When AB was sacked, SISU wanted to appoint Mark Robins as manager but it was pressure from the fans that led to Thorn being given the job.

SISU should have maintained the aim and ignored the fans. If football over the past 100 years has ever proven anything, it is that fans know nothing about football. And finances.

Cat, pigeons etc..