Jimmy Hill V Mark Robbins (2 Viewers)

[63spionkop by the flag]

His name is Mark Robins, from Barnsley he did come
To manage Jimmy Hill's team in Division One
and as you watch the sky blues play you'll always hear us cry
We are the best team in the land and nobody can deny
lalalala, lalalalala la

 

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[FinnishSkyBlue]

His name is Mark Robbins, from Barnsley he did come
To manage Jimmy Hill's team in Division One
and as you watch the sky blues play you'll always hear us cry
We are the best team in the land and nobody can deny
lalalala, lalalalala la

His name is not Mark Robbins.

 

[CJparker]

His name is not Mark Robbins.

Got there before me. As much as our fans love him, they can't spell his fooking name.

I still wish Andy Thorn had been given more time.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I still wish Andy Thorn had been given more time.

After all that's gone on, that's a very naive statement, as well as provocative. :facepalm:

I'm sure Grendel will come in with the facts so I'll let him get to it.

 

[CJparker]

After all that's gone on, that's a very naive statement, as well as provocative. :facepalm:

I'm sure Grendel will come in with the facts so I'll let him get to it.

Yes, your mate might get after me to me with his opinions. But that's all they are, opinions. My own is that AT could have done as well as MR. But I support MR 100%, he is great.

I stand by my statement that AT, at the time of his sacking, was our best manager since John/George, maybe since Jimmy Hill himself.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yes, your mate might get after me to me with his opinions. But that's all they are, opinions. My own is that AT could have done as well as MR. But I support MR 100%, he is great.

I stand by my statement that AT, at the time of his sacking, was our best manager since John/George, maybe since Jimmy Hill himself.

It is an opinion, but not an opinion that is particularly valid, nor has a leg to stand on...

... After all, denying the holocaust as a 'zionist plot' would be an 'opinion' just not a correct one!

Seeing as you compare SISU to the nazis I think this is a ironic (for you) comeback.

 

[CJparker]

It is an opinion, but not an opinion that is particularly valid, nor has a leg to stand on...

... After all, denying the holocaust as a 'zionist plot' would be an 'opinion' just not a correct one!

Seeing as you compare SISU to the nazis I think this is a ironic (for you) comeback.

Just because you compare two things, that is not the same as saying they are identical.

For instance, I could compare Chris Kiwomya with Alan Smith; both ex-Arsenal strikers, but doesn't mean that I think they are the same level of ability.

Since you repeatedly refer to my allusion to the Nazis, let me say that is justified - there were spurious "arguments" put forward by you and others along the lines of "if something is good for CCFC you should support it, no matter what moral concerns you have" ... I was using an extreme example to show the ludicrous nature of such "arguments".

I support CCFC on the pitch always , but that doesn't mean that I am obliged to support a hedge fund, who happen to own us, in their attempts to rape a charity and our council for their own game. Fucking grow up kid, life is not black and white.

As for Thorn, I supported him as did the majority of fans - his name was still sung at the Ricoh until the last. I wouldn't necessarily take him back over MR, but I think he has got a huge amount to be proud of after his spell, certainly the best manager I remember at CCFC. Strachan comes close but had a huge budget by comparison.

 

[Grendel]

As for Thorn, I supported him as did the majority of fans - his name was still sung at the Ricoh until the last. I wouldn't necessarily take him back over MR, but I think he has got a huge amount to be proud of after his spell, certainly the best manager I remember at CCFC. Strachan comes close but had a huge budget by comparison.

Utter bufoonery as ever from the Disciple of the Clueless One

Let's just reflect for a moment;

Lowest league position in half a century
Lowest win ratio since 1917
2 away wins in his entire "management career"
Mocked by ex-professionals regarding his training (or lack of it)
Mocked by current captain regariding his training (or lack of it)

Next you'll be telling us Marlon King should play for England, Coventry should be locked out of the Ricoh and good old Thorny will come back and save us yet again.

Well no you won't, as only a complete fool would say any of those things........

 

[ccfcway]

Robins has had 2 good months in League One, with possibly the best squad in the Division.

He's doing well, but then again, Boothroyd got us within touching distance of play offs in Championship

 

[stupot07]

Just because you compare two things, that is not the same as saying they are identical.

For instance, I could compare Chris Kiwomya with Alan Smith; both ex-Arsenal strikers, but doesn't mean that I think they are the same level of ability.

Since you repeatedly refer to my allusion to the Nazis, let me say that is justified - there were spurious "arguments" put forward by you and others along the lines of "if something is good for CCFC you should support it, no matter what moral concerns you have" ... I was using an extreme example to show the ludicrous nature of such "arguments".

I support CCFC on the pitch always , but that doesn't mean that I am obliged to support a hedge fund, who happen to own us, in their attempts to rape a charity and our council for their own game. fecking grow up kid, life is not black and white.

As for Thorn, I supported him as did the majority of fans - his name was still sung at the Ricoh until the last. I wouldn't necessarily take him back over MR, but I think he has got a huge amount to be proud of after his spell, certainly the best manager I remember at CCFC. Strachan comes close but had a huge budget by comparison.

Wow............

 

[stupot07]

Robins has had 2 good months in League One, with possibly the best squad in the Division.

He's doing well, but then again, Boothroyd got us within touching distance of play offs in Championship

The difference was that Boothrod got us their starting from a level playing field. robins started from and 8-9 point gap stranded near the bottom on 3 points from 8 games.

 

[Grendel]

The difference was that Boothrod got us their starting from a level playing field. robins started from and 8-9 point gap stranded near the bottom on 3 points from 8 games.

Exactly. This so called great squad was heading to Division Two before he came here.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just because you compare two things, that is not the same as saying they are identical.

For instance, I could compare Chris Kiwomya with Alan Smith; both ex-Arsenal strikers, but doesn't mean that I think they are the same level of ability.

Since you repeatedly refer to my allusion to the Nazis, let me say that is justified - there were spurious "arguments" put forward by you and others along the lines of "if something is good for CCFC you should support it, no matter what moral concerns you have" ... I was using an extreme example to show the ludicrous nature of such "arguments".

I support CCFC on the pitch always , but that doesn't mean that I am obliged to support a hedge fund, who happen to own us, in their attempts to rape a charity and our council for their own game. fecking grow up kid, life is not black and white.

As for Thorn, I supported him as did the majority of fans - his name was still sung at the Ricoh until the last. I wouldn't necessarily take him back over MR, but I think he has got a huge amount to be proud of after his spell, certainly the best manager I remember at CCFC. Strachan comes close but had a huge budget by comparison.

CCFC are getting ripped off by ACL, I feel directly offended by that, so no, it isn't, what's best for CCFC, it's what's best for me, the fans and IF CCFC are successful, the surrounding area will be more successful, paying 1.28m rent a year is pure taking the piss and hinders our chances of a revival, with or without SISU!

You can't compare SISU's tactics to the Nazi's or any tyrant, just do yourself a favour here and be quiet, this quote comes to mind "Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt".

What can Thorn be proud of? He had a good spell and deserved the job (or at least deserved to be in the running) but got us relegated after numerous squandered chances of survival. Ok, he didn't receive backing from the board, that's probably kept him in the job because his 'promises' were made on the basis he had adequate backing, he had adequate backing, brought in some good players (Fleck, Barton*, Jenno, Edj (Definetley) and maybe Elliott (jury's out) but signed some shockers (Ball, Brown, Kilbane, Malaga) and in his 3 games in charge showed he weren't able to keep his promises, and rightly sacked by a proactive board. MR has signed some very influential players (Bailey, Adams and Moussa) that has helped us march on up the table. MR knows what he is doing AT didn't.

As I said, Grendel would provide the facts, and it's your choice whether you take it in or not, but it's a very stupid, naive opinion to have.

I thought AT deserved the job, but he failed from the moment he got given the job!

What year were you born in!? He wasn't as good as: AB, CC, MA, ID, EB, PR, GM, RN! And or some, that's saying something!!!

 

[Paxman II]

Jimmy Hill v Mark Robins? What!

 

[CJparker]

CCFC are getting ripped off by ACL, I feel directly offended by that

No they aren't. You know that's bollocks.

Don't post any more crap abotu "league one average rent" as that's a load of crap too, as you well know.

 

[dongonzalos]

After all that's gone on, that's a very naive statement, as well as provocative. :facepalm:

I'm sure Grendel will come in with the facts so I'll let him get to it.

It's not provocative it's his opinion for gods sake.
Just say i disagree with you regarding that.

End of matter

 

[dongonzalos]

Exactly. This so called great squad was heading to Division Two before he came here.

Yes after the manager was sacked after three league games I agree it was....


Robins is doing a very good job
He is achieving what this squad should be achieving.

Slightly more on top due to his own signings and turning round the 5 defeats on the trot.

Nether the less. Some on here are referring to him as some sort of messiah.

This is unfair we will have a tricky spell under him and if we are putting him up there then the fall will be a large one.

He is his own man, he is doing what he should be doing with this squad.

I know I will get shit down for this however
We were losing that match with seconds to spare.

We has starting going long ball again, it was frustrating.

If we had lost plenty would be moaning about the team turning to long ball. Like we did in the defeat to Shrewsbury.

I don't think MR wants this long ball football,
However since signing Leon, Murphy seems to turn to it quite a bit.

MR is only human he should not be over hyped.

 

[CJparker]

I agree with this - I like MR but he is not the son of God.

Saying that, when he has his first bad patch and the "sack him now" bandwagon starts, I'll be the first to defend him.

 

[CJparker]

Utter bufoonery as ever from the Disciple of the Clueless One

Let's just reflect for a moment;

Lowest league position in half a century
Lowest win ratio since 1917
2 away wins in his entire "management career"
Mocked by ex-professionals regarding his training (or lack of it)
Mocked by current captain regariding his training (or lack of it)

Next you'll be telling us Marlon King should play for England, Coventry should be locked out of the Ricoh and good old Thorny will come back and save us yet again.

Well no you won't, as only a complete fool would say any of those things........

Well, I have a few spare minutes this morning before I get on with that thing I call "a life", so I'll quickly demolish this.

1) It's not bufoonery to suggest that I'd prefer Robins to Thorn - even the rest of your post and your general outlook support this
2) the three stats about his record ignore the ridiculously bad squad he has to work with last season. Even your ranting about our current squad doesn't reflect the the fact it's far better than last year's, as AT had no support from the board at all last season.
3) I have not seen any evidence of the so-called "relaxed" atmosphere when AT was manager, just hearsay and conjecture - then again, that's the only 'evidence' you can present on anything - nor have i see any ex-pros commenting on it
4) Baker actually said he wanted AT to get more time and was disappointing he was sacked.

The unfairness of AT's sacking was borne out by the out of court settlement he won against CCFC for unfair dismissal.

What I liked most about him was the dignity he showed when the club was falling apart due to off-field mismanagement and lack of support for the playing squad.

The rest of your criticisms of me have been well-worn. King is English, and at the time of commenting, we had such a dearth of fit strikers that he could have squeezed into the squad on form. ACL locking CCFC out of the Ricoh would be a kick up the backside for SISU to play ball - not a long term solution but enough to get them playing fair. If AT ever did come back and work his magic again, I'd applaud from the rooftops.

Also, if we win the JPT and/or get promoted, a lot of the credit will be due to AT. The upturn in our fortunes began when he took over. Robins represents continuity rather than change. In years to come, fans will look back fondly on the 'Thorn-Robins era'.

 

[CJparker]

After all that's gone on, that's a very naive statement, as well as provocative. :facepalm:

If you want to know the meaning of the work 'provocative', try refusing to pay your rent for 10 months and then do a radio interview pretending to be concerned about your landlord's cash flow situation and general financial position.

 

[Grendel]

Jimmy Hill v Mark Robins? What!

It's not really that. He has done well but the real reason he is receiving plaudits is because he succeeded Thorn so it is really robins vs thorn. That's like having 2 contestants on mastermind. One is a Mensa member and the other a village idiot

We have forgotten what it's like to have a football manager having endured a pitiful mumbling loser masquerading as one for two years.

 

[dongonzalos]

Well, I have a few spare minutes this morning before I get on with that thing I call "a life", so I'll quickly demolish this.

1) It's not bufoonery to suggest that I'd prefer Robins to Thorn - even the rest of your post and your general outlook support this
2) the three stats about his record ignore the ridiculously bad squad he has to work with last season. Even your ranting about our current squad doesn't reflect the the fact it's far better than last year's, as AT had no support from the board at all last season.
3) I have not seen any evidence of the so-called "relaxed" atmosphere when AT was manager, just hearsay and conjecture - then again, that's the only 'evidence' you can present on anything - nor have i see any ex-pros commenting on it
4) Baker actually said he wanted AT to get more time and was disappointing he was sacked.

The unfairness of AT's sacking was borne out by the out of court settlement he won against CCFC for unfair dismissal.

What I liked most about him was the dignity he showed when the club was falling apart due to off-field mismanagement and lack of support for the playing squad.

The rest of your criticisms of me have been well-worn. King is English, and at the time of commenting, we had such a dearth of fit strikers that he could have squeezed into the squad on form. ACL locking CCFC out of the Ricoh would be a kick up the backside for SISU to play ball - not a long term solution but enough to get them playing fair. If AT ever did come back and work his magic again, I'd applaud from the rooftops.

Also, if we win the JPT and/or get promoted, a lot of the credit will be due to AT. The upturn in our fortunes began when he took over. Robins represents continuity rather than change. In years to come, fans will look back fondly on the 'Thorn-Robins era'.

Thorn-Robins era!

SBT, you can call that one provocative, alright

Pin hand grenade, move on springs to mind.

 

[CJparker]

We have forgotten what it's like to have a football manager having endured a pitiful mumbling loser masquerading as one for two years.

Takes one to know one!

Seriously, is there any other reason for your venom against AT other than his supposed failings as a manager? Do you have secret evidence, which you can't reveal, tht he is some sort of Jimmy Saville-esque character? Your constant vitriol against him is embarrassing, even, I suspect, for those who disliked him as a manager (and the vat majority of fans supported him CCFC manager).

 

[Grendel]

Well, I have a few spare minutes this morning before I get on with that thing I call "a life", so I'll quickly demolish this.

1) It's not bufoonery to suggest that I'd prefer Robins to Thorn - even the rest of your post and your general outlook support this
2) the three stats about his record ignore the ridiculously bad squad he has to work with last season. Even your ranting about our current squad doesn't reflect the the fact it's far better than last year's, as AT had no support from the board at all last season.
3) I have not seen any evidence of the so-called "relaxed" atmosphere when AT was manager, just hearsay and conjecture - then again, that's the only 'evidence' you can present on anything - nor have i see any ex-pros commenting on it
4) Baker actually said he wanted AT to get more time and was disappointing he was sacked.

The unfairness of AT's sacking was borne out by the out of court settlement he won against CCFC for unfair dismissal.

What I liked most about him was the dignity he showed when the club was falling apart due to off-field mismanagement and lack of support for the playing squad.

The rest of your criticisms of me have been well-worn. King is English, and at the time of commenting, we had such a dearth of fit strikers that he could have squeezed into the squad on form. ACL locking CCFC out of the Ricoh would be a kick up the backside for SISU to play ball - not a long term solution but enough to get them playing fair. If AT ever did come back and work his magic again, I'd applaud from the rooftops.

Also, if we win the JPT and/or get promoted, a lot of the credit will be due to AT. The upturn in our fortunes began when he took over. Robins represents continuity rather than change. In years to come, fans will look back fondly on the 'Thorn-Robins era'.

Have you ever considered stand up. That is comedy genius.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It's not provocative it's his opinion for gods sake.
Just say i disagree with you regarding that.

End of matter

Provocative: Causing provocation, esp. deliberately: "a provocative article".

An opinion can be provocative, CJ has numerous provocative 'opinions' none of which seem to want to benefit CCFC!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If you want to know the meaning of the work 'provocative', try refusing to pay your rent for 10 months and then do a radio interview pretending to be concerned about your landlord's cash flow situation and general financial position.

I'm well aware what provocative means. :facepalm:

A refusing to pay rent is really provocative, it's renegade, but the radio show was very provocative. But still, your opinion was very naive and provocative nonetheless - don't forget that!

 

[dongonzalos]

Provocative: Causing provocation, esp. deliberately: "a provocative article".

An opinion can be provocative, CJ has numerous provocative 'opinions' none of which seem to want to benefit CCFC!

Only provocative by the perception of the reader.

However the second post was certainly intended to be provocative by the poster

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Only provocative by the perception of the reader.

However the second post was certainly intended to be provocative by the poster

Based on that definition, I think it's provocative because he knows that will get a reaction.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Takes one to know one!

Seriously, is there any other reason for your venom against AT other than his supposed failings as a manager? Do you have secret evidence, which you can't reveal, tht he is some sort of Jimmy Saville-esque character? Your constant vitriol against him is embarrassing, even, I suspect, for those who disliked him as a manager (and the vat majority of fans supported him CCFC manager).

And the way your defending him is even more embarrassing, you have no facts that suggest his time here was a success? CJ, if AT did so well at CCFC, why hasn't he got a job yet? He's applied for pretty much every job that's been available, even got rejected by AFC Wimbledon.

 

[Grendel]

Takes one to know one!

Seriously, is there any other reason for your venom against AT other than his supposed failings as a manager? Do you have secret evidence, which you can't reveal, tht he is some sort of Jimmy Saville-esque character? Your constant vitriol against him is embarrassing, even, I suspect, for those who disliked him as a manager (and the vat majority of fans supported him CCFC manager).

Far more embarrassing to have a man crush on thorn. I'd keep that quiet if I were you.

 

[scroobiustom]

Worst thing about Robins...

That awful haircut, need to get that sorted for Championship football next season

 

[Skybluedar]

Well, I have a few spare minutes this morning before I get on with that thing I call "a life", so I'll quickly demolish this.

1) It's not bufoonery to suggest that I'd prefer Robins to Thorn - even the rest of your post and your general outlook support this
2) the three stats about his record ignore the ridiculously bad squad he has to work with last season. Even your ranting about our current squad doesn't reflect the the fact it's far better than last year's, as AT had no support from the board at all last season.
3) I have not seen any evidence of the so-called "relaxed" atmosphere when AT was manager, just hearsay and conjecture - then again, that's the only 'evidence' you can present on anything - nor have i see any ex-pros commenting on it
4) Baker actually said he wanted AT to get more time and was disappointing he was sacked.

The unfairness of AT's sacking was borne out by the out of court settlement he won against CCFC for unfair dismissal.

What I liked most about him was the dignity he showed when the club was falling apart due to off-field mismanagement and lack of support for the playing squad.

The rest of your criticisms of me have been well-worn. King is English, and at the time of commenting, we had such a dearth of fit strikers that he could have squeezed into the squad on form. ACL locking CCFC out of the Ricoh would be a kick up the backside for SISU to play ball - not a long term solution but enough to get them playing fair. If AT ever did come back and work his magic again, I'd applaud from the rooftops.

Also, if we win the JPT and/or get promoted, a lot of the credit will be due to AT. The upturn in our fortunes began when he took over. Robins represents continuity rather than change. In years to come, fans will look back fondly on the 'Thorn-Robins era'.

It is going to be hard for anyone to take any point that you ever make seriously going forward after this load of utter nonsense. You will never get those minutes spent typing that dross back. To suggest AT will be due any credit for any success that we might accomplish this season, or that he might come back is utter nonsense. The man had dignity and loyalty to the club but he had no choice. He hasn't worked since he left the club and a League 2 side won't even take a punt on him now. What does that suggest? He should stick to scouting and let football managers manage football teams. MR has come in, a real football manager and he looks to be the best we have had in the last 20 years. He has rejuvinated and inspired a team destined for relegation (under AT / RS) and we now look forward thinking we can win almost every game. Could we have scored two injury time goals under AT? Lose 2 injury time goals maybe, but that belief is Mark Robins, and it's belief that wins teams games. The never give up attitude that AT could not instill in the team.

You're entitled to your opinion, it is however nonsense and AT's record in charge speaks for itself. MARK ROBINS' SKY BLUE ARMY

 

[Grendel]

It is going to be hard for anyone to take any point that you ever make seriously going forward after this load of utter nonsense. You will never get those minutes spent typing that dross back. To suggest AT will be due any credit for any success that we might accomplish this season, or that he might come back is utter nonsense. The man had dignity and loyalty to the club but he had no choice. He hasn't worked since he left the club and a League 2 side won't even take a punt on him now. What does that suggest? He should stick to scouting and let football managers manage football teams. MR has come in, a real football manager and he looks to be the best we have had in the last 20 years. He has rejuvinated and inspired a team destined for relegation (under AT / RS) and we now look forward thinking we can win almost every game. Could we have scored two injury time goals under AT? Lose 2 injury time goals maybe, but that belief is Mark Robins, and it's belief that wins teams games. The never give up attitude that AT could not instill in the team.

You're entitled to your opinion, it is however nonsense and AT's record in charge speaks for itself. MARK ROBINS' SKY BLUE ARMY

Looks like the comedy circuit may not be so promising after all CJ.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Refreshing to see Don take a reasoned approach in this thread. CJ, I suggest you follow his lead and accept that even with a weakened squad Thorn's management was very poor indeed. The only thing we have to thank him for is our current league status which admittedly is also a result of the board's failure to put an end to the farce.

The transformation since Robins took over is immense but we still sit in mid table of the third tier-this is what the Thorn era will go down for and fans will ask why he was given so much time.

 

[Grendel]

Refreshing to see Don take a reasoned approach in this thread. CJ, I suggest you follow his lead and accept that even with a weakened squad Thorn's management was very poor indeed. The only thing we have to thank him for is our current league status which admittedly is also a result of the board's failure to put an end to the farce.

The transformation since Robins took over is immense but we still sit in mid table of the third tier-this is what the Thorn era will go down for and fans will ask why he was given so much time.

Excellent summary and to even suggest thorn was better than black, Nielsen, Adams, Dowie etc. is complete tripe.