Jimmy Hill V Mark Robbins (8 Viewers)

Grendel

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Short answer to you question posed in the middle there - I was calling for AT to be given at least five years in charge, including whether he took us into League 2 or not. I expect we'd have been doing well this season. From my reading of your post, you think that without Bailey and Moussa we'd be struggling? For the record, I don't think so.

We'd be struggling because the team would be dejected and demotivated with terrible tactics and lazy approaches to the game.

I actually find it quite insulting to mark robins that you fail to credit the massive amount of work he has done to turn round the wreckage left by a clueless buffoon whose only interest was his pay check.

Bit of a disgrace CJ really.

Do you think thorn is better than Eric black?
 

deanocity3

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Jimmy Hill 1967 Mark Robins 2013
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CJparker

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We'd be struggling because the team would be dejected and demotivated with terrible tactics and lazy approaches to the game.

I actually find it quite insulting to mark robins that you fail to credit the massive amount of work he has done to turn round the wreckage left by a clueless buffoon whose only interest was his pay check.

Bit of a disgrace CJ really.

Do you think thorn is better than Eric black?

Don't get me wrong, MR has done well. But you have to give AT his share of credit too. We wouldn't be doing as well as were are without him. You have no choice but to accept this.

Get off your high horse, and stop insulting a man who was a great servant to our club. Your pathetic attitude is disgusting.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Don't get me wrong, MR has done well. But you have to give AT his share of credit too. We wouldn't be doing as well as were are without him. You have no choice but to accept this.

Get off your high horse, and stop insulting a man who was a great servant to our club. Your pathetic attitude is disgusting.

Credit for what!? He brought in some good players, but who's to say MR hadn't have brought in some of the same, or better players.

On most appearances, only 2 Thorn signings start for MR, Jenno and Edj, and Edj didn't start under AT!

I think Fleck was AT's best signing.

You like to criticise SISU for getting us relegated to L1, but AT has got to share equal blame, he let the players get unfit, left subs too late, or didn't make subs, tactics were contradictory, didn't start our best players (Cody for ST + Bigi), he was a terrible manager and had we had a better manager, we would probably be watching championship football. I suppose, I consider relegation a good thing overall, so I should thank Thorn for that.

He didn't have good backing but only a 'bad farmer blames his tools', look at Dyche, everyone expected Watford to go down, he and Watford came 13th.
 
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CJparker

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You would've kept him if we'd got relegated to League 2-why?

Because we need stability. It's not good to get a different manager every year, as we have done for 10 years or more. Clubs are far too interested in the next game, this season etc...you have to take a much longer view, and let a manager be the central point in the club, even if results for the first few years are disappointing. I don't really care what result we get next week, it's where we are in 5 years that interests me. To achieve, we need a long term plan and stabiloty. I hope MR stays for 5 years, and would support him in that even if we do go down to L2 - that's not an AT-specific view.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Don't get me wrong, MR has done well. But you have to give AT his share of credit too. We wouldn't be doing as well as were are without him. You have no choice but to accept this.

Get off your high horse, and stop insulting a man who was a great servant to our club. Your pathetic attitude is disgusting.

30 points lost from winning positions last season. 2 wins by Christmas. Damning indictments and in the first games of this season 6 points were lost which are now the gap we have with the play offs.

Thorn introduced a mentality which Robins has excelled to turn round and I firmly believe that with the former still at the helm consecutive relegations was on the cards. I just cannot agree with you here.
 

CJparker

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Credit for what!? He brought in some good players, but who's to say MR hadn't have brought in some of the same, or better players.

On most appearances, only 2 Thorn signings start for MR, Jenno and Edj, and Edj didn't start under AT!

I think Fleck was AT's best signing.


Why are you so determined to try to prove that AT was awful?
 

CJparker

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30 points lost from winning positions last season. 2 wins by Christmas. Damning indictments and in the first games of this season 6 points were lost which are now the gap we have with the play offs.

Thorn introduced a mentality which Robins has excelled to turn round and I firmly believe that with the former still at the helm consecutive relegations was on the cards. I just cannot agree with you here.

We had such a weak squad we were always going to lose games - AT couldn't do anything about it. He had no support from the boardroom. Look to SISU for last season's failures, not AT.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Because we need stability. It's not good to get a different manager every year, as we have done for 10 years or more. Clubs are far too interested in the next game, this season etc...you have to take a much longer view, and let a manager be the central point in the club, even if results for the first few years are disappointing. I don't really care what result we get next week, it's where we are in 5 years that interests me. To achieve, we need a long term plan and stabiloty. I hope MR stays for 5 years, and would support him in that even if we do go down to L2 - that's not an AT-specific view.

Getting this club into division 4 would seriously threaten its existence. Any manager achieving it could not honestly survive it, surely?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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We had such a weak squad we were always going to lose games - AT couldn't do anything about it. He had no support from the boardroom. Look to SISU for last season's failures, not AT.

And yet we were only thumped on rare occasions. We set ourselves up to play appalling football and even then teams struggled to break us down-if we were pure cannon fodder we'd have been cut adrift irrespective of manager. Robins would not have got us relegated.
 

CJparker

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Because he was...

I like how you ignore the questions asked here!

I disagree - the blame was entirely SISU's, my interpretation is that we may not have done as well as we did without AT.

As for why he isn't working now, did you ever think that the likes of you and Dr Evil Grendel (yes, that makes you Mini-Me, SBT) doing everything you can to ruin his reputation might have anything to do with it?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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We had such a weak squad we were always going to lose games - AT couldn't do anything about it. He had no support from the boardroom. Look to SISU for last season's failures, not AT.

But we lost games we should've won! We lost to Brizzle 3-1, we should've won, we lost to Barnsley, we lost Donny, we lost to Millwall, we drew to Peterborough. We lost to Blackpool and Palace when victory was all but secured!? Unfitness cost us and if you believe otherwise, you are really naive and probably haven't seen the 2 managers' in charge!

You say we were expected to lose, but if that's the case, why did we drop so many points from winning positions, in the last 10m!?
 

CJparker

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And yet we were only thumped on rare occasions. We set ourselves up to play appalling football and even then teams struggled to break us down-if we were pure cannon fodder we'd have been cut adrift irrespective of manager. Robins would not have got us relegated.

Don't agree - this is why I mean about how AT kept our dignity last season and steadied the sinking ship. Without him, we might have been mullered every week. The fact we weren't cannon fodder was down to him.

Robins has never managed in the championship, never mind with a tiny half squad, so we don't know.

For the record, I back 100% MR and my comments on AT do not detract from my faith in him as our manager now.
 

CJparker

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But we lost games we should've won! We lost to Brizzle 3-1, we should've won, we lost to Barnsley, we lost Donny, we lost to Millwall, we drew to Peterborough. We lost to Blackpool and Palace when victory was all but secured!? Unfitness cost us and if you believe otherwise, you are really naive and probably haven't seen the 2 managers' in charge!

You say we were expected to lose, but if that's the case, why did we drop so many points from winning positions, in the last 10m!?

So why is that AT's fault? We had such a small squad, we were always going to get tired and lose goals late on. SISU's fault.

I have not yet seen any detailed analysis of AT's tactics, just the odd moan about "he didn't bring on a sub early enough" - armchair managers, what do you know?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Don't agree - this is why I mean about how AT kept our dignity last season and steadied the sinking ship. Without him, we might have been mullered every week. The fact we weren't cannon fodder was down to him.

Robins has never managed in the championship, never mind with a tiny half squad, so we don't know.

For the record, I back 100% MR and my comments on AT do not detract from my faith in him as our manager now.

Wrong-Robins managed Barnsley not too long ago.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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I disagree - the blame was entirely SISU's, my interpretation is that we may not have done as well as we did without AT.

As for why he isn't working now, did you ever think that the likes of you and Dr Evil Grendel (yes, that makes you Mini-Me, SBT) doing everything you can to ruin his reputation might have anything to do with it?

The cheek of it!

If anyone is 'Dr Evil' on this board, it is you, you have said, you want the club to be locked out of the RICOH and hope we go under, AND, have said if Thorn took us to L2, he should keep his job, all seriously creating instability to the club! Worst still, we have a team capable of winning the league yet you make like that :facepalm: you're a disgrace and I'm now completely convinced that you are not, cannot be a support of Coventry City, I refuse to acknowledge you as a CCFC fan.

...you're also a hypocrite for moaning about people insulting you then you call name call Grendel and I, what about BSB?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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So why is that AT's fault? We had such a small squad, we were always going to get tired and lose goals late on. SISU's fault.

I have not yet seen any detailed analysis of AT's tactics, just the odd moan about "he didn't bring on a sub early enough" - armchair managers, what do you know?

Pitter patter between Keogh and Cranie then one of them hoofs to Platt or Nimely. We did it for 90 minutes at Bristol City in a must win game that left everyone there fuming.
 

dongonzalos

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CJ seems to have quite a rational and reasonable opinion here.

He rates MR.

Yet he does not agree with the unnecessary rudeness and abuse thrown on here towards AT.

2 Seasons ago he did give us some joy and shining light from the misery.

He advised the board keep what we have got and let me add a couple and we will challenge.

They desimated what we had and allowed thorn to make three signings.

Cody, Murphy and z back up goalie.

When you take a mid table championship side remove all its best players and either don't replace them or inadequately replace them.

It is highly likely that mid table championship side will fall below mid table. (Relegation)

Then you say you messed up you back the manager
You let him sign 9 new players.

You then give him three matches, three draws.

Personally I would struggle and I think most professionals would admit it is unlikely that you can judge a manager over three games.

He may have achieved this season he may not.

Personally I think he would have got us in the top six.

I think MR from the start if the season would have got us in top two.

Thorn does not deserve the abuse he gets in here.

He was nothing but respectful to the fans.

He could spot one hell of a player.

This was the season to judge him as a manager. The first three games of the season were not enough for me to do that.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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The cheek of it!

If anyone is 'Dr Evil' on this board, it is you, you have said, you want the club to be locked out of the RICOH and hope we go under, AND, have said if Thorn took us to L2, he should keep his job, all seriously creating instability to the club! Worst still, we have a team capable of winning the league yet you make like that :facepalm: you're a disgrace and I'm now completely convinced that you are not, cannot be a support of Coventry City, I refuse to acknowledge you as a CCFC fan.

...you're also a hypocrite for moaning about people insulting you then you call name call Grendel and I, what about BSB?

CJ is a genuine fan-he just has some odd opinions.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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So why is that AT's fault? We had such a small squad, we were always going to get tired and lose goals late on. SISU's fault.

I have not yet seen any detailed analysis of AT's tactics, just the odd moan about "he didn't bring on a sub early enough" - armchair managers, what do you know?

We had a small squad, but with quality, enough to scrape survival!

No detailed analysis of AT's tactics? Well, the opposite managers seemed to have an easy job doing this, AT is the most reactive CCFC manager I have seen.

His choice of formation was good, but he utilised it in a bad way, used hoofball too Platt too often, and didn't use triangle passes enough, he played 2 upfront, yet we didn't have 2 good strikers to play. We 'out passed' sides, but that's because we passed it along the back 4 without actually going anyway.
 

CJparker

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The cheek of it!

If anyone is 'Dr Evil' on this board, it is you, you have said, you want the club to be locked out of the RICOH and hope we go under, AND, have said if Thorn took us to L2, he should keep his job, all seriously creating instability to the club! Worst still, we have a team capable of winning the league yet you make like that :facepalm: you're a disgrace and I'm now completely convinced that you are not, cannot be a support of Coventry City, I refuse to acknowledge you as a CCFC fan.

...you're also a hypocrite for moaning about people insulting you then you call name call Grendel and I, what about BSB?

Show me the post where I wrote that I hope we go under.

Go on...before you type any more of your childish crap, find the link to that post where I unconditionally said that I hope CCFC goes under.
 

CJparker

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CJ seems to have quite a rational and reasonable opinion here.

He rates MR.

Yet he does not agree with the unnecessary rudeness and abuse thrown on here towards AT.

2 Seasons ago he did give us some joy and shining light from the misery.

He advised the board keep what we have got and let me add a couple and we will challenge.

They desimated what we had and allowed thorn to make three signings.

Cody, Murphy and z back up goalie.

When you take a mid table championship side remove all its best players and either don't replace them or inadequately replace them.

It is highly likely that mid table championship side will fall below mid table. (Relegation)

Then you say you messed up you back the manager
You let him sign 9 new players.

You then give him three matches, three draws.

Personally I would struggle and I think most professionals would admit it is unlikely that you can judge a manager over three games.

He may have achieved this season he may not.

Personally I think he would have got us in the top six.

I think MR from the start if the season would have got us in top two.

Thorn does not deserve the abuse he gets in here.

He was nothing but respectful to the fans.

He could spot one hell of a player.

This was the season to judge him as a manager. The first three games of the season were not enough for me to do that.

Thank you - at last, a sensible post on this thread which accurately captures my views rather than lazily disregards me as a WUM
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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CJ seems to have quite a rational and reasonable opinion here.

He rates MR.

Yet he does not agree with the unnecessary rudeness and abuse thrown on here towards AT.

2 Seasons ago he did give us some joy and shining light from the misery.

He advised the board keep what we have got and let me add a couple and we will challenge.

They desimated what we had and allowed thorn to make three signings.

Cody, Murphy and z back up goalie.

When you take a mid table championship side remove all its best players and either don't replace them or inadequately replace them.

It is highly likely that mid table championship side will fall below mid table. (Relegation)

Then you say you messed up you back the manager
You let him sign 9 new players.

You then give him three matches, three draws.

Personally I would struggle and I think most professionals would admit it is unlikely that you can judge a manager over three games.

He may have achieved this season he may not.

Personally I think he would have got us in the top six.

I think MR from the start if the season would have got us in top two.

Thorn does not deserve the abuse he gets in here.

He was nothing but respectful to the fans.

He could spot one hell of a player.

This was the season to judge him as a manager. The first three games of the season were not enough for me to do that.

You look at the squandered chances of survival we had he deserved the sack at the end of last season, it is documented (CET somewhere) that he was going to get sacked, but basically, begged to keep the job and made promises of change. Them 3 games were clear evidence that he wasn't going to keep them promises, bravo for whoever actually sacked him.

He got found out last season, badly, granted, I will give him, that he had a bad squad, his best players got sold off, but he still should've done better. We dropped too many points from winning positions, which begs the question, we were good enough to take the lead, so why couldn't we hold it?

You say we would get top 6 with AT, but under MR, where we a clearly a better side then, we're just in the top half, with teams below us with games in hand. If we win tomorrow, it'll be great, lose however, it'll look entirely different. At least you acknowledge MR is a better manager.

I haven't been disrespectful to him in a personal way, but I have certainly criticised him in his mangerial role, his tactics were contradictory, subs were not made and the game went past him, he let the players off too easily, insder reports 'suggest' so. AT lacked professionalism, players unfit, seemingly immune to trouble, I will say this could be a reaction to AB's authoritarian regime, but AT was too soft.

He wasn't too great on the scouting front, he has spotted/signed some good players (Fleck, Barton, Jenno, possibly McG...) but has some terrible players to his name (Bell, Hussey, Brown, Ball...)

If you look at MR' side to AT's side, MR's wins hands down, and we're only (not even) 4 months on...

MR's:

Clarke Wood Edj Adams*
Baker Jennings Bailey* Moussa* Sheff
Clarke*

*MR's signings

Compared to AT's:

Clarke Brown Wood Hussey
Jenno
Barton Kilbane
Fleck
Cody Ball

It doesn't take a genius to know MR's team wins hands down, and MR has only signed 4 starters, the rest have come from the old regime! :facepalm:
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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You said pick any match , same tactics I picked that match I was there we did not play long ball.

From the point of having Norwood. We played everything on the ground through him.
Also we did not play long to Nimely.

Peterborough at home the lad was having balls played into him at chest height. Middlesbrough also had 10 and then 9 men on the pitch which helped our cause somewhat.
 

dongonzalos

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Peterborough at home the lad was having balls played into him at chest height. Middlesbrough also had 10 and then 9 men on the pitch which helped our cause somewhat.

The only time I saw us go long was when we were under pressure and we had Platt and to be fair to him when he was fit and not forced on the pitch with a bad back beheld it up quite well.
 

Grendel

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Thank you - at last, a sensible post on this thread which accurately captures my views rather than lazily disregards me as a WUM

Yeah he's sensible. He's the idiot who said west ham would be 10 points better off under thorn.

Still were down to two now.
 

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