Surely SISU are to blame for this? (5 Viewers)

MichaelCCFC

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I can see how this works...the minority always get grilled and asked to justify why they are in that minority. They are asked to prove and back-up why they hold the opinions they do. Whereby the majority don't have to do that . They can make sweeping statements like "Robins is off because he got screwed by SISU", "SISU didn't try hard enough to keep him", "he left because of broken promises from SISU", etc etc and no one bats an eyelid because lots of people blindly agree, which fuels the fire.

Who knows what is in store for CCFC. Who knows how SISU intend to get us out of the mire.

However, I think we can all agree losing Robins is not just a big blow to Coventry City and the fans but also to SISU. I genuinely thought he had the nous and drive to take us out of this league.

That was until he was screwed by SISU, of course....


There are no doubt people on here who play games but I don't. I don't hide my identity and am genuinely interested in trying to understand different perspectives. sisu-out views are transparent but understanding what sisu's options are and what their plan is ismuch harder. That's why i ask the question to try and get a perspective that isn't just 'sisu are crap end of'
 

dadgad

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TA, Torch, Grendel - on various threads you seem to be the three people who tend to defend SISU most. Can one of you explain what sisu's plan is to get us out of div 3, resolve the rent dispute, sort the finances etc etc? I've posted this question before and never get an answer.

You'll be lucky.
Nobody even knows who Sisu who are - least of all those three.
 

Flying Fokker

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So, why did he leave? Self preservation. No stamina for the trouble ahead. Embargo, frozen bank accounts? Big, Bad Coventry City Council?

Hmmmmm.

CovStu You were right. It is SISU's fault. If they had paid the bills they would not have had the bank account frozen or an embargo on them. Mr Robins cited that he felt the council needed to do more to help City. He was naive and blinkered given that SISU caused the situation in the first place.
 
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CJparker

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Who cares? He's gone.

Must say, I don't blame SISU for Robins leaving. I am not fan of SISU but cna't put this one at their door, at least not directly.

But they are solely responsible for the conditions of uncertainty that reign at this club, and MR would not be human if those did not create at least some concerns in his mind.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Who cares? He's gone.

Must say, I don't blame SISU for Robins leaving. I am not fan of SISU but cna't put this one at their door, at least not directly.

But they are solely responsible for the conditions of uncertainty that reign at this club, and MR would not be human if those did not create at least some concerns in his mind.

That wasn't the point, the point made was that MR felt the council are at fault here, not the club.
 

Covstu

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SISU can obviously control what was going into his contract but we were clearly a stepping stone and he would not sign unless these clauses were built into the agreement. This is not unusual lets face it, even Messi has a buy out clause in his contract!!

He is gone now so lets all move on!
 

Grendel

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TA, Torch, Grendel - on various threads you seem to be the three people who tend to defend SISU most. Can one of you explain what sisu's plan is to get us out of div 3, resolve the rent dispute, sort the finances etc etc? I've posted this question before and never get an answer.

No one defends an impersonal owner of an institution. There is ambivalence to owners and that is how it should be. They are merely present drivers of the vehicle you support. To have affinity defies logic.

What you should be doing is looking at others on here -- we all know them, the eccentric who believes a Jamaican International should play for England, the ludicrous one who cannot name the winning goalscorer in a recent game, the man so deluded he thinks former managers have been paid to say positive things about SISU and the one who keeps referring to "sacked after 3 games" when we all know its over 63 -- and questioning their motives and why they are so consumed with hatred it blights their view and jeopardises the clubs future.

What you should be doing is questioning why the council still believes the community asset should be bled dry and why other supporters at other clubs possess so much more collective energy and have forced their respective councils to alter previously punitive rental arrangements.

Many clubs of greater stature have been in this division and many have fared less successfully than ourselves in this initial campaign so the plan is at least as good as Southampton, Leeds, Forest and Sheffield United. In terms of enjoyment and competitiveness I defy you to name a season more rewarding in the last decade.

The assumption by the deluded is that there is a bright future after Sisu go. There is no evidence of this. I refer you to Lord Grey's view on the Great War. "The lights are going out all over Europe". He was in the minority and was ridiculed as such but of course he was so right. Sometimes the present is far better than the future.
 

MichaelCCFC

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No one defends an impersonal owner of an institution. There is ambivalence to owners and that is how it should be. They are merely present drivers of the vehicle you support. To have affinity defies logic.

What you should be doing is looking at others on here -- we all know them, the eccentric who believes a Jamaican International should play for England, the ludicrous one who cannot name the winning goalscorer in a recent game, the man so deluded he thinks former managers have been paid to say positive things about SISU and the one who keeps referring to "sacked after 3 games" when we all know its over 63 -- and questioning their motives and why they are so consumed with hatred it blights their view and jeopardises the clubs future.

What you should be doing is questioning why the council still believes the community asset should be bled dry and why other supporters at other clubs possess so much more collective energy and have forced their respective councils to alter previously punitive rental arrangements.

Many clubs of greater stature have been in this division and many have fared less successfully than ourselves in this initial campaign so the plan is at least as good as Southampton, Leeds, Forest and Sheffield United. In terms of enjoyment and competitiveness I defy you to name a season more rewarding in the last decade.

The assumption by the deluded is that there is a bright future after Sisu go. There is no evidence of this. I refer you to Lord Grey's view on the Great War. "The lights are going out all over Europe". He was in the minority and was ridiculed as such but of course he was so right. Sometimes the present is far better than the future.

Is this the Lazarus thread? Aren't we on admin v liquidation v afc cov now??
 

covman

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No one defends an impersonal owner of an institution. There is ambivalence to owners and that is how it should be. They are merely present drivers of the vehicle you support. To have affinity defies logic.

What you should be doing is looking at others on here -- we all know them, the eccentric who believes a Jamaican International should play for England, the ludicrous one who cannot name the winning goalscorer in a recent game, the man so deluded he thinks former managers have been paid to say positive things about SISU and the one who keeps referring to "sacked after 3 games" when we all know its over 63 -- and questioning their motives and why they are so consumed with hatred it blights their view and jeopardises the clubs future.

What you should be doing is questioning why the council still believes the community asset should be bled dry and why other supporters at other clubs possess so much more collective energy and have forced their respective councils to alter previously punitive rental arrangements.

Many clubs of greater stature have been in this division and many have fared less successfully than ourselves in this initial campaign so the plan is at least as good as Southampton, Leeds, Forest and Sheffield United. In terms of enjoyment and competitiveness I defy you to name a season more rewarding in the last decade.

The assumption by the deluded is that there is a bright future after Sisu go. There is no evidence of this. I refer you to Lord Grey's view on the Great War. "The lights are going out all over Europe". He was in the minority and was ridiculed as such but of course he was so right. Sometimes the present is far better than the future.

Ha ha... Some people just like be different hey Grendel ;-) that's two minutes of my life i'll never get back after reading that. What a load of old bollocks.
 

Grendel

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Ha ha... Some people just like be different hey Grendel ;-) that's two minutes of my life i'll never get back after reading that. What a load of old bollocks.

From you I take that as a compliment
 

Grendel

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Is this the Lazarus thread? Aren't we on admin v liquidation v afc cov now??

You posed questions on this thread and I have answered them.
 

Flying Fokker

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Different times Grendel, CCC got themselves in a right mess themselves. SISU played hardball and CCC fought out of the corner they were in. Never to be shafted by SISU and their tactics. SISU did not expect that. CCC were going to look right fools if SISU forced ACL in to admin.

CCC did not want to loan money to ACL but needed to safeguard the asset of the Ricoh. Not a good choice politically because of Public Sector cuts, but an income generator rather than a drain on the budget it admin happened. Of course, ccc could have sold to SISU but they have a poor track record of honouring anything.
 
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Grendel

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Grendel-2005/6 saw higher crowds and 8th place in the league above.

Not the same though. Higher crowds was the "stadium effect" and the club was 11th going into the last game. There was never a possibility of promotion and prior to the "3 subs" game we were relegation fodder.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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We haven't managed one fully good season in decades Grendel. You asked for a rewarding season and regardless of the reasons why, 05/06 was our best season in the timeframe you specified. The signings of Wise and Hutchison for nothing were inspired and we are yet to see a central midfielder as influential as either.
 

Grendel

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We haven't managed one fully good season in decades Grendel. You asked for a rewarding season and regardless of the reasons why, 05/06 was our best season in the timeframe you specified. The signings of Wise and Hutchison for nothing were inspired and we are yet to see a central midfielder as influential as either.

However as a snapshot season we have had cup games against Premier League Teams, been one game from Wembley and have maintained a promotion challenge which still at least theoretically maybe successful and almost certainly would have been had they not made the one fatal error in May.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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However as a snapshot season we have had cup games against Premier League Teams, been one game from Wembley and have maintained a promotion challenge which still at least theoretically maybe successful and almost certainly would have been had they not made the one fatal error in May.

We have never been in the promotion hunt this season and have had truly pathetic home form to go along with it. Moreover the Ricoh saw far bigger crowds and a higher standard of football after Wise arrived.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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This has been the single most unpleasant season in my 35 years of supporting CCFC...apart from last season. I hate League 1 and I've seen my team win a paltry 5 times in it. Utter tripe, this division, the worst League 1 in 10 years and we are mediocre in it.
 

Flying Fokker

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We have never been in the promotion hunt this season and have had truly pathetic home form to go along with it. Moreover the Ricoh saw far bigger crowds and a higher standard of football after Wise arrived.

But we have seen entertaining football haven't we? I have actually enjoyed this season far more than any except the Wise era,what a coup.

I haven't been to away games this season but it must have been fantastic. I just have to look at the websites and even that is better than before. Skybluestalk has been hijacked by optimism and to a certain extent I have ignored the obvious stuff like the home defeats. The more I hear the less resolve i have..........this on the pitch form at the Ricoh betrays the entertaining stuff we have seen. Because the teams that come here up the ante the games are generally better. Home form is the fly in the ointment.

The off field stuff has been a killer. SISU to blame,
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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But we have seen entertaining football haven't we? I have actually enjoyed this season far more than any except the Wise era,what a coup.

I haven't been to away games this season but it must have been fantastic. I just have to look at the websites and even that is better than before. Skybluestalk has been hijacked by optimism and to a certain extent I have ignored the obvious stuff like the home defeats. The more I hear the less resolve i have..........this on the pitch form at the Ricoh betrays the entertaining stuff we have seen. Because the teams that come here up the ante the games are generally better. Home form is the fly in the ointment.

The off field stuff has been a killer. SISU to blame,

And it was the Wise era I was putting ahead of this one. Getting doubled by Carlisle, Shrewsbury, Crewe and the like does not compare.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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I think we actually won more home games most season's in the top flight and that was against giants like Chelsea and Man U rather than Shrewsbury and Carlisle. If you work alternate weekends like I do it has kinda felt like I've wasted all of my Saturday's off this year. Aside from Walsall..
 

torchomatic

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It has been a topsy-turvy season winning twice the amount of games away than at home, but I suppose that's the way it goes sometimes. There have been some rubbish games yes, but some memorable ones too.
 

lordsummerisle

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The standard of footbal generally is pretty awful in League One, didn't realise before this season that there was such a gulf in class and ability between The Championship and League One.

When anybody wins in this league it's generally by being slightly less shit than the opposition rather than being a much better team, not many you could class as good really, just degrees of shitness to seperate them.
 

rupert_bear

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The back to back promotions of Southampton and Norwich disprove that theory a bit, but generally you are right and i think answers the root of our problem, our home form. We get away with certain ways of playing on the road but at home expected to be a Man United or something which we haven't got the personel for.
 

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