SISU say they may "get out of town" next week (20 Viewers)

[Grendel]

No I don't, the club was in a mess, but the facts are the team were sat in mid table.

They then went on a bit of a bad run, Ranson (part of Sisu) decided to sack Dowie and get Coleman in.

I think you should check how much of a bad run Dowie was on.

 

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[elephanttears]

Forest, not sure as I do not know their situation in much detail so it would be wrong of me to comment.

Leicester, no.

How are Leicester not well run, they have just bought their own stadium and will probably make the playoffs?

 

[coundonskyblue]

Whos to say they wont be like this with whatever owners we have. They will probably refuse to work with anyone unless its mother teresa.

Regarding the strip clubs it just shows they are poking their pointy little noses in in people business. Some bit of skirt on the council probably got on her high horse saying women are being exploited blah blah blah.

Why do you think the council are refusing to work with Sisu?

As for the strip club remark, it sounds like your advocating a Council policy of non intervention into private business. Net result of that would be telling CCFC/Sisu where to go as the council can't get involved.

 

[Sick Boy]

No I don't, the club was in a mess, but the facts are the team were sat in mid table.

They then went on a bit of a bad run, Ranson (part of Sisu) decided to sack Dowie and get Coleman in.

Was Dowie on a bad run at the time?

Coleman should have gone after the debacle at Charlton. In hindsight if we had been relegated that season, we would probably be in a better position now. I seem to remember Ranson was being lauded by the majority though, as though he was some sort of demigod.

 

[coundonskyblue]

How are Leicester not well run, they have just bought their own stadium and will probably make the playoffs?

The club has just announced losses of nearly £30m and are in debt to their owners of nearly £100m.

 

[Sick Boy]

The club has just announced losses of nearly £30m and are in debt to their owners of nearly £100m.

How much will they make from promotion?

The majority of clubs are in masses of debt, and millions disappears into running the of clubs.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Was Dowie on a bad run at the time?

Coleman should have gone after the debacle at Charlton. In hindsight if we had been relegated that season, we would probably be in a better position now. I seem to remember Ranson was being lauded by the majority though, as though he was some sort of demigod.

I'm not saying that team was any good, infact it was crap. Yet it is still miles better than what we have now, after having spent £45m on the club.

 

[elephanttears]

The club has just announced losses of nearly £30m and are in debt to their owners of nearly £100m.

Manchester United are in debt to the tune of £359 million are they not well run?

Leicester Debt is manageable and would be cleared when promoted, they now have all revenue streams for their stadium. Would the Council not see manchester United owners are people they are willing to work with then as they have amassed a massive debt?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's not difficult. We all want the best for our club!! Bar no one. Acl CCC will no longer deal with sisu they don't trust them. If this is fact then fisher can spout whatver he likes, we can argue over who has the biggest penis and who supports the team and who doesn't but it won't change anything. The only sustainable future for ccfc is to have access to as much revenue as possible, acl CCC will not negotiate with sisu cause of sisu so what is the only answer?

 

[coundonskyblue]

How much will they make from promotion?

The majority of clubs are in masses of debt, and millions disappears into running the of clubs.

And the majority of clubs are badly run.

Ones with assets, teams doing well etc can handle that financial mismanagement (at least for the time being)

However we don't have that luxury. The only way this club can get out of this mess is by being run properly.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm not saying that team was any good, infact it was crap. Yet it is still miles better than what we have now, after having spent £45m on the club.

How many other clubs in the football league have put £45m over 6/7 years into their clubs to get nothing back? The money wasted on poor players & managers has been dreadful though and has cost us big time.

It is refreshing to have Waggot at the club who seems to have his head firmly screwed on.

 

[Grendel]

The club has just announced losses of nearly £30m and are in debt to their owners of nearly £100m.

Forest are losing a million a month at present.

 

[elephanttears]

It's not difficult. We all want the best for our club!! Bar no one. Acl CCC will no longer deal with sisu they don't trust them. If this is fact then fisher can spout whatver he likes, we can argue over who has the biggest penis and who supports the team and who doesn't but it won't change anything. The only sustainable future for ccfc is to have access to as much revenue as possible, acl CCC will not negotiate with sisu cause of sisu so what is the only answer?

I dont they they will ever be willing to negotiate with anyone though thats the problem.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I dont they they will ever be willing to negotiate with anyone though thats the problem.

If that happens then I for one would be very cross!!

 

[Sick Boy]

And the majority of clubs are badly run.

Ones with assets, teams doing well etc can handle that financial mismanagement (at least for the time being)

However we don't have that luxury. The only way this club can get out of this mess is by being run properly.

That means having owners willing to pump money into the club, only to never see it again though.

I agree with what you say though, but in my opinion that includes having access to all revenue generated by the supporters. This would be a step in the right direction, and will also make us much more appealing for any potential buyers.

 

[coundonskyblue]

How many other clubs in the football league have put £45m over 6/7 years into their clubs to get nothing back? The money wasted on poor players & managers has been dreadful though and has cost us big time.

It is refreshing to have Waggot at the club who seems to have his head firmly screwed on.

Probably lots of clubs, but they can probably also aford it.

I actually agree with you about Waggot, he's the only one of them I have any time for. If/when Sisu leave I would like to see him stay on with new owners.

 

[Bluegloucester]

I think you should check how much of a bad run Dowie was on.

He was sacked for shit stirring

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Cost agreed to buy Higgs shares was below the £6.5m Higgs received for them - but hell never let the facts get in the way of a blind rant

I may have my facts mixed up, I was referring to this
www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/26855-We-have-to-pay-acl-£24m-for-revenue-rights

Have just spoken to Tim Fisher and he has told me that this number was one that was proposed by Daniel Gidney many months ago and has formed no part of the current negotiations. It was a number that obviously was dismissed out of hand by the club and has never been mentioned again by either party so it is really a red herring.
Clarified?

Your own quote above, does this or does this not say the 24 million figure was proposed to Fisher for the revenue rights and was dismissed instantly. These are the same ones that we sold for 6 million?



I fail to see where I have ranted, if I have got something wrong or mixed up then I apologise

 

[Grendel]

I may have my facts mixed up, I was referring to this
www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/26855-We-have-to-pay-acl-£24m-for-revenue-rights

Your own quote above, does this or does this not say the 24 million figure was proposed to Fisher for the revenue rights and was dismissed instantly. These are the same ones that we sold for 6 million?



I fail to see where I have ranted, if I have got something wrong or mixed up then I apologise

You haven't. You have raised questions to the ACL Trust -- never a wise move.

 

[ashbyjan]

I may have my facts mixed up, I was referring to this
www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/26855-We-have-to-pay-acl-£24m-for-revenue-rights

Your own quote above, does this or does this not say the 24 million figure was proposed to Fisher for the revenue rights and was dismissed instantly. These are the same ones that we sold for 6 million?

The 24 million was from Daniel Gidney (who is no longer at ACL) many months ago and was not in any way a formal discusion or negotiation and certainly not part of the current negotiations. The 50% Higgs Share was/is available to CCFC and a price was agreed in the signed heads of terms agreement between SISU and Charity last May but it was never followed up by SISU.

Apologies if I sounded rude and accused you incorrectly but there are too many on here who spout opinions as facts to back up their personal theories - the fate of our club is really in the balance and yet some feel its more important to score clever dick points rather than deal with the very serious facts.

 

[Grendel]

Facts are ACL have offered CCFC around £250k in revenue (£100k f&b profits and £150k car parking) and also offered to cross invoice the f&b turnover (£1m) for FFP purposes for CCFC so they would be receiving significant revenue for their £400k rent - oh and a Premier League standard ground as well.

A very disappointing statement from someone supposedly on the clubs side.

We have been royally stitched up by the council for years and they have definitely been far far less supportive than many other councils. Rather than continuously ramming this down their throat and creating national awareness of this all you are interested in is doing their bidding.

 

[ashbyjan]

You haven't. You have raised questions to the ACL Trust -- never a wise move.

ACL Trust? Personally I don't trust them any further than I do CCFC/SISU but if you do that is your prerogative.

 

[Grendel]

It's not difficult. We all want the best for our club!! Bar no one. Acl CCC will no longer deal with sisu they don't trust them. If this is fact then fisher can spout whatver he likes, we can argue over who has the biggest penis and who supports the team and who doesn't but it won't change anything. The only sustainable future for ccfc is to have access to as much revenue as possible, acl CCC will not negotiate with sisu cause of sisu so what is the only answer?

To get this disgusting council to start to think of the community asset they claim to support rather than play God?

 

[ashbyjan]

A very disappointing statement from someone supposedly on the clubs side.

We have been royally stitched up by the council for years and they have definitely been far far less supportive than many other councils. Rather than continuously ramming this down their throat and creating national awareness of this all you are interested in is doing their bidding.

And which part of the statement is incorrect?

 

[Grendel]

And which part of the statement is incorrect?

For a start your stupid little aside at the end about a premier league ground. Not much point is there if the tenancy agreement is so restrictive that the rewards are no more than a ground of far less worth

I assume you have bothered to look at other councils and the arrangements they have with clubs as sitting tenants. Tell me which in the last decade in your research have have had a worse deal than us?

 

[MichaelCCFC]

I always believed that a successful ccfc was in the best interests of both acl and sisu, so sense would prevail and an agreement be reached. But if the parties wanted a resolution they could have found one ages ago. For the first time in this dispute I am becoming seriously concerned that liquidation is possible. The pro/anti acl/sisu stuff in this thread, like so many threads beforehand, serves no purpose. City fans need to demand that acl-sisu get this sorted now.

 

[Flying Fokker]

A very disappointing statement from someone supposedly on the clubs side.

We have been royally stitched up by the council for years and they have definitely been far far less supportive than many other councils. Rather than continuously ramming this down their throat and creating national awareness of this all you are interested in is doing their bidding.

City got themselves in trouble years ago. Sold the family jewels. They made the wrong choices.

 

[Houdi]

Strange that all the people siding with ACL,and seemingly happy to get SISU out,seem to struggle with ,what then? What follows SISU's exit?No realistic suggestion of who comes in to take the club over. Who in their right mind will takeover a loss making club with virtually no assets.We would all love a billionare benefactor,but at the moment none is seemingly on the horizon.SISU may not be perfect,but the alternative maybe no football club.As someone else stated,be careful what you wish for.

 

[theferret]

And which part of the statement is incorrect?

Your little addition at the end ".. oh and a Premier League standard ground as well" spoke volumes, a clear indication of which side of the fence you stand, despite your protestations to the contrary. Almost everything I see you post is done to try to contradict or undermine those that are arguing against the position of the council/ACL.

If that is your position fine, lay your cards on the table, but let's not play games with this phony 'I trust neither side' nonsense. It just doesn't wash.

 

[Flying Fokker]

I always believed that a successful ccfc was in the best interests of both acl and sisu, so sense would prevail and an agreement be reached. But if the parties wanted a resolution they could have found one ages ago. For the first time in this dispute I am becoming seriously concerned that liquidation is possible. The pro/anti acl/sisu stuff in this thread, like so many threads beforehand, serves no purpose. City fans need to demand that acl-sisu get this sorted now.

SISU are at the end of the road. They are in the weaker position. Admin may well be coming because ACL have had enough.

 

[Grendel]

I always believed that a successful ccfc was in the best interests of both acl and sisu, so sense would prevail and an agreement be reached. But if the parties wanted a resolution they could have found one ages ago. For the first time in this dispute I am becoming seriously concerned that liquidation is possible. The pro/anti acl/sisu stuff in this thread, like so many threads beforehand, serves no purpose. City fans need to demand that acl-sisu get this sorted now.

If all the fans were 100% united with the club as was the case at hull, Doncaster etc we would get this resolved.

 

[Grendel]

City got themselves in trouble years ago. Sold the family jewels. They made the wrong choices.

If we are liquidated its because of attitudes like yours.

 

[Grendel]

Your little addition at the end ".. oh and a Premier League standard ground as well" spoke volumes, a clear indication of which side of the fence you stand, despite your protestations to the contrary. Almost everything I see you post is done to try to contradict or undermine those that are arguing against the position of the council/ACL.

If that is your position fine, lay your cards on the table, but let's not play games with this phony 'I trust neither side' nonsense. It just doesn't wash.

Yep gave the game away there without doubt.

 

[hill83]

Your little addition at the end ".. oh and a Premier League standard ground as well" spoke volumes, a clear indication of which side of the fence you stand, despite your protestations to the contrary. Almost everything I see you post is done to try to contradict or undermine those that are arguing against the position of the council/ACL.

If that is your position fine, lay your cards on the table, but let's not play games with this phony 'I trust neither side' nonsense. It just doesn't wash.

Exactly this. I'll reiterate my stance on the sky blue trust. It doesn't represent my views if this is their spokesperson.
I want my pound back.

 

[torchomatic]

Couldn't agree more, which has always been my beef with the Trust, who certainly aren't independent.

Your little addition at the end ".. oh and a Premier League standard ground as well" spoke volumes, a clear indication of which side of the fence you stand, despite your protestations to the contrary. Almost everything I see you post is done to try to contradict or undermine those that are arguing against the position of the council/ACL.

If that is your position fine, lay your cards on the table, but let's not play games with this phony 'I trust neither side' nonsense. It just doesn't wash.