If mediation should have had any chance of success the parties should have agreed to use that instrument before christmas. By now they have each painted themself into corners and there seem to be absolutely no movement.
Ricoh Arena - parliamentary debate (9 Viewers)
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If mediation should have had any chance of success the parties should have agreed to use that instrument before christmas. By now they have each painted themself into corners and there seem to be absolutely no movement.
Well, if I was a gambler I would put my money on sisu being the first to ask for arbitration. They seem to have most to lose short term.
Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
It's cold here tonight isn't it?
Freezing - but I think it's great our match wasn't postponed.
I may change my mind if we lose 1-2 though.
Shame bob seems to think the SBT (only 800 members - a tiny minority of the fans - therefore there voice no more relevant than any other supporter) asre the voice of the fans - showing by the pathetic non-boycott they have shown they are nothing more than a self-promoting talking shop, with no ideas that make sense, an aggresive to detractors (circa SiSU), and a flawed premise.
What do you expect from a bolshy leftie like ainsworth!
A non-debate from a non-politician backing a pointless minority.
SBT allowed to arbitrate? they'd give away the family jewels and ask to be praised for doing so!
What do you expect from a bolshy leftie like ainsworth!
A non-debate from a non-politician backing a pointless minority.
SBT allowed to arbitrate? they'd give away the family jewels and ask to be praised for doing so!
The impression I got from it though was they would only do arbitration if all of ACL's books were open for scruity and none of their own. He wasn't exactly clear though.
Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
I thought that was what he was saying.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Does he mean the clubs books or SISU? If it's the club I can't see why they'd object, they're just going to show they're losing loads. If he means SISU that's pretty pointless as it's not really them that owns us it's an investment fund and I'm not sure what having access to that would prove (is that information generally available anyway?).
I suppose SISU could claim ACL should open their books as that could impact on what they consider acceptable to pay them, not likely to be true but they could claim it! ACL have said that CCFC make up very little of their income, and their recent accounts seem to show that, so I can't imagine there would be any big surprise in there.
I suppose SISU could claim ACL should open their books as that could impact on what they consider acceptable to pay them, not likely to be true but they could claim it! ACL have said that CCFC make up very little of their income, and their recent accounts seem to show that, so I can't imagine there would be any big surprise in there.
TheRoyalScam
Well-Known Member
For me the bombshell was Bob revealing that SISU were planning on challenging the initial rent agreement when the Ricoh was built, years before they took over.
The words 'due' and 'diligence' spring to mind.
Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
SISU want to look at ACLS
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Jack Griffin
Guest
He did not say that.. at all....... listen more carefully.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
I get that but Ainsworth was saying if they get to see ACLs they should open up their own but wasn't clear if he means CCFC or SISU. To be honest either seems fairly pointless!
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
I wonder what route they'll take on this. It's always seemed a bit suspect to me that some of those on the board of CCFC deciding what was an acceptable rent were also on the board of ACL. That has to be a conflict of interest so that could be one avenue they're looking at or if they're just going to argue it's been way too high since day one and angle for some sort of rebate. Surely if they're going to challenge it would have to be in court and you can't imagine they'd be paying out legal fees if they don't think they've got something to work with.
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Jack Griffin
Guest
SISU want full public access for ACL accounts but expect to keep their finances secret, it was another typically unreasonable spanner Joy threw at the works.
mrtickle
Member
I love the club, hate sisu but the council are are part of the problem. I'd love sisu to leave but no one wants us. Wake up and smell the coffee! There is only sisu!
I repeat I hate sisu but there all we've got.
Bluegloucester
New Member
I cannot see how CCFC can challenge the original agreement, they were willing signatories to it. SISU taking the club over has cannot have any bearing on this. They should have been more careful with their due diligence. Caveat emptor!
GaryPendrysEyes
Well-Known Member
More condemnation of Sisu's unprofessional ism and cowboy approach. I dont expect many apologists to comment on this thread.
3 unwise Sisu monkeys see no evil, hear no evil, speak bollox.
3 unwise Sisu monkeys see no evil, hear no evil, speak bollox.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Yawn yawn. It is obvious you are a troll so I will no longer take the bait.
GaryPendrysEyes
Well-Known Member
Nothing to say about condemnation of Sisu.. Thought not. Apologist.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Was in Doncaster today. Showed some posts from the council suck ups like you. General consensus was true fans care only about the club. "Support" for an external organisation has to be considered as not true support at all.
I wholly concur.
Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
The implication was that SISU want ACL to open their books but they will not open their own. Therefore it should be open books on both sides if ACL are asked to open theirs.
That will never happen because SISU is a shady organisation at best. Why should ACL play that game anyway? They are unbelievable.
GaryPendrysEyes
Well-Known Member
Any comment on Sisu condemnation.. Thought not. Apologist.
elephanttears
New Member
Sisu are not asking ACL to open their books, they want to see the food and beverage figures.
GaryPendrysEyes
Well-Known Member
Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
If blind loyalty should always be to the owners rather than the club (because there is a difference), does that mean that you still support Richardson?
Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
Listen to the debate
GaryPendrysEyes
Well-Known Member
Of course ACL, Higgs, the whole council and BA are Coventry whereas Sisu are Mayfair based hedge fund externals.. But Grendel is just trying to change the subject. that's what the apologists do when their love child gets criticised. Pathetic.
elephanttears
New Member
I listened to the debate, Ainsworth implied sisu want them to open the books but where have they stated that, all they have stated is that they want the food and beverage figures. Ainsworth is biased.
WillieStanley
New Member
It wasn't an assumption. It was based on a conversation he had with a colleague of mine who is his former colleague. This was Christmas time.
coundonskyblue
New Member
Are Food and beverage figures not part of the books then?
rupert_bear
Well-Known Member
The issue has been raised in Parliament for a second time, remember last year David Greene i think, which is significant. SISU is a foriegn organisation, Finnish/American. The debate also commands a Ministerial response, so lets wait and see the outcomes could be interesting.
elephanttears
New Member
Not when all sisu want is a sheet of paper with the food and beverage figures on it no.
coundonskyblue
New Member
Well all I want to see is a sheet of paper with the names of Sisu's investors on. Doesn't have to be a full audit on the company.
It would actually be nice to know who owns my club.
Bluegloucester
New Member
SISU funds are Cayman based and are managed by a UK company.
elephanttears
New Member
It just shows that the council/acl/ainsworth are hypocrites. Ainsworth tried to imply to the Minister that sisu are asking acl to open up their books but all they have really asked for is the food and beverage figures. Ainsworth was being really clear and transparent there wasn't he.
For me its irrelevant knowing who owns the club.