SISU / ACL arguments - for god's sake! (1 Viewer)

[Kenilworth_Stokies]

Reading football message boards is often an exercise in futility. But yours seems more futile than most at the moment. Your club is imploding around your ears and here you all are point scoring in the great SISU vs. ACL "I told you so" game.

It's utterly pointless bickering from your entrenched positions, the question you should be asking yourselves is what are you going to do about it? If there's a fault it lies with whoever split the club from the stadium company (Robinson? I haven't been following closely enough to know the history I'm afraid), an arrangement which was always going to end up with two organisations with conflicting interests where there should only be one.

You have ACL with a contractual commitment to receive a certain value of rent, on which they make commitments to shareholders to return a dividend. And you have SISU who want a return on their investments by cutting costs. It's impossible to pick a side from the two when the real issue is that these two separate legal entities have their own needs, and the very fact of their separate existence does not work out for a successful football team on the pitch, particularly now given the advent of the forthcoming FFP rules.

So you have two choices: 1) Sit here bickering about who's fault it all is, and at best be left with the warm and fuzzy feeling inside that you were right and everyone else was wrong (but have no club left to support) or 2) Do something about organising yourselves for the very real possibility that there will be no CCFC in the very near future.

Otherwise, if you can't see the wood for the trees, maybe you don't deserve a club to support?

KS.

 

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[SonofErnie]

It's easy to make those observations from your position. I wonder where the hoardes of Stoke fans were 15 years ago when they wer in the third tier !

 

[ajsccfc]

Otherwise, if you can't see the wood for the trees, maybe you don't deserve a club to support?

Yeah, we're to blame really.

 

[Kenilworth_Stokies]

Fifteen years ago we were in the third tier with dwindling support and a council owned stadium. We were fortunate to be bought out by a chairman with enough cash to buy the stadium and hence we now are where we are. But hey, bicker away and reject outsider observations if you want.

 

[RichieGunns]

I agree with you KS.

I see very little need to argue about whose the saint and whose the sinner.

In the end they've both brought our club to this.

I just want an end to it. If that means saying goodbye to my beloved club, then I guess that'll have to be.

Of course I don't want that and I hope it never comes to that.

So I hope and pray things are sorted quickly and without little fuss!

 

[Diehard Si]

It's kind of what forums are for.

There is probably a forum somewhere where catholics are moaning about the choice of pope and arguing who should have been picked.

 

[chiefdave]

Its a fair point. Everyone seems to want to pick a side, SISU or ACL. I don't trust either and all I care about is CCFC.

 

[Godiva]

It's easy to make those observations from your position. I wonder where the hoardes of Stoke fans were 15 years ago when they wer in the third tier !

Yes, it is surely much easier observing from the outside, but as the OP is no stakeholder or allied to either side, his observation and opinion is worth taking serious.
OP is spot on - the real problem is the club and stadium owners have conflicting interests, can't have a grown up dialog and that they are taking each other down.

Club and stadium should be united under one owner.
If ACL/CCC can ensure that - excellent.
if sisu can do that by building a new stadium - great.
I don't care what the solution is as long as the goal is clear and within reach.

 

[Gaz]

Otherwise, if you can't see the wood for the trees, maybe you don't deserve a club to support?

Don't deserve a club to support ???

Honestly mate, just fuck off. :jerkit:

 

[theferret]

Yes, it is surely much easier observing from the outside, but as the OP is no stakeholder or allied to either side, his observation and opinion is worth taking serious.
OP is spot on - the real problem is the club and stadium owners have conflicting interests, can't have a grown up dialog and that they are taking each other down.

Club and stadium should be united under one owner.
If ACL/CCC can ensure that - excellent.
if sisu can do that by building a new stadium - great.
I don't care what the solution is as long as the goal is clear and within reach.

This.

Until that happens we'll just keep going around in circles.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Problem is KS that we don't have a gambling tycoon out there willing to sign anybody we like every year until we go up. Loaning half the Premiership isn't really viable.

 

[Kenilworth_Stokies]

Yeah, we were fortunate for sure. The point I'm making though is that you may or may not be lucky and get a decent buyer out of this whole administration fiasco. If I were you I'd be looking at contingency plans for the continuation of football in the city of Coventry, which in your case is presumably through something like the Sky Blue Trust? Again, I don't know the history and the politics of these organisations, but now is the time to start planning Pompey style. Either that or carry on this pointless SISU vs ACL bickering.

No fans should have to go through this. What happened to enjoying football as a game to watch with your mates? What has this sport become? It's not just you folks, a cursory look around any number of teams message boards reveals a load of infighting fans discussing CVAs, share issues, the definition of administration versus liquidation, fan buy-outs, board structures. I'm sure football supporting used to be much more about pints of lager and last minute winners. I admire those fans who take things into their own hands and take back their club for themselves. Have a Google for FC St Pauli in Hamburg - now that's the way to do it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_St._Pauli

 

[RichieGunns]

Don't deserve a club to support ???

Honestly mate, just fuck off. :jerkit:

He's making a good point actually.

You telling him to F-off just renforces it!

 

[scroobiustom]

FC St.Pauli....any chance you listen to the ramble?

 

[BurbageSkyBlues]

Fine in theory......in reality, if people can't agree on what to do to put it right, we have the same conflict.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, we were fortunate for sure. The point I'm making though is that you may or may not be lucky and get a decent buyer out of this whole administration fiasco. If I were you I'd be looking at contingency plans for the continuation of football in the city of Coventry, which in your case is presumably through something like the Sky Blue Trust? Again, I don't know the history and the politics of these organisations, but now is the time to start planning Pompey style. Either that or carry on this pointless SISU vs ACL bickering.

No fans should have to go through this. What happened to enjoying football as a game to watch with your mates? What has this sport become? It's not just you folks, a cursory look around any number of teams message boards reveals a load of infighting fans discussing CVAs, share issues, the definition of administration versus liquidation, fan buy-outs, board structures. I'm sure football supporting used to be much more about pints of lager and last minute winners. I admire those fans who take things into their own hands and take back their club for themselves. Have a Google for FC St Pauli in Hamburg - now that's the way to do it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_St._Pauli

The SBT is doing exactly that but for the club to continue at this level or higher it needs someone with vastly more wealth than we could ever hope to raise as a collective. Leicester and Cardiff seem capable of plucking billionaires out of thin air.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Fifteen years ago we were in the third tier with dwindling support and a council owned stadium. We were fortunate to be bought out by a chairman with enough cash to buy the stadium and hence we now are where we are. But hey, bicker away and reject outsider observations if you want.

I'm sorry...it all becomes clear now-why haven't we done this? Lets do this! Yeah, everything's gonna be OK now we know what to do!!!! Get bought by a rich ambitious owner! What have we been messing about at? :facepalm:

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm sorry...it all becomes clear now-why haven't we done this? Lets do this! Yeah, everything's gonna be OK now we know what to do!!!! Get bought by a rich ambitious owner! What have we been messing about at? :facepalm:

Perhaps we could start up our own online casino like the Coates'.

 

[the rumpo kid]

so what your saying is when stoke fans we're bickering about there club being in the shit, a cash rich fan bought the club, and that seems to be your observation from the outside.
well whoop de fucking do.
oh how i wish i'd thought of a rich fan buying our club, pure fucking genius. why dont all clubs adopt this idea.
gaz is right, fuck of einstien and mind your own buisness.

 

[Kenilworth_Stokies]

so what your saying is when stoke fans we're bickering about there club being in the shit, a cash rich fan bought the club, and that seems to be your observation from the outside.
well whoop de fecking do.
oh how i wish i'd thought of a rich fan buying our club, pure fecking genius. why dont all clubs adopt this idea.
gaz is right, feck of einstien and mind your own buisness.

Sweet Jesus, never before have I seen somebody well and truly miss the point of a post so badly. I hope there are keener minds than yours coming to your club's aid.

Anyway, good luck in your fight folks. PUSB.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sweet Jesus, never before have I seen somebody well and truly miss the point of a post so badly. I hope there are keener minds than yours coming to your club's aid.

Anyway, good luck in your fight folks. PUSB.

It's the sad truth of modern football though-you need someone with serious wealth and little hope of recouping it in order to get them to invest at the necessary level. Stoke had that ready made in the Coates family; and they are the sole reason for your current league status.

 

[scroobiustom]

Stoke - god bless bet365
Coventry - god bless [insert here] with any luck we could be the anti-football of league 1 :facepalm: