Houchens Head
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72%, but some questions weren't put over very well.
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72%, but some questions weren't put over very well.
He is ambivalent about CCFC, but he hates SISU.
So much so, he tried to phone CWR yesterday to say as much but he wasn't allowed on!
there is nothing worse than religious or heathen folk taking themselves serious but my god is a ccfc fan so there. im not intelligent like u guys so i bow to your superior knowledge. at the end of the day i would rather live in a world WITH a God than one without him
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Mucca Mad Boys
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No disrespect, but it isn't whether we want or don't want a God. The question is: IS there a God? 2 different questions.
God is the theological equivalent to North Korea (Christopher Hitchens).
Sky Blue Pete
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God bless you and family japandy
you too pete happy easter
duh. you answered your own question
Sky Blue Pete
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Christopher hitchens is inhuman though isn't he?? Is he the daily mail correspondent??
Mucca Mad Boys
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That's Peter who writes for the DailyMail, and is a traditional Christian also.
Sky Blue Pete
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You are right thanks. Who is Christopher?? Peter still is!!
Mucca Mad Boys
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Christopher is his atheist brother, mad how two siblings can be so far apart religiously and politically.
Sky Blue Pete
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Brainwashed in their upbringing!!
Grendel
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Well Christopher is no longer with us pity he can't say where he is.
lordsummerisle
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Christopher Hitchens is one of the great philosophers of our time, sadly died last year, a bit of a contrarian at times, but a rational, human man.
Has exposed many of the hypocrisies of religion, and those who follow them. /You should read what he had to say about "Saint" Mother Theresa.
Would recommend you read: The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer, and God is Not Great: How Religion poisons everything.
Mucca Mad Boys
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????
If that was the case, why have they turned out completely different. In saying that, Peter used to be a member of the Socialist Workers' Party, now is RW, very traditionalist and a twat. His brother died a legend. RIP Christopher!
Mucca Mad Boys
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Certainly not heaven! Even if there is one!
Grendel
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Peter hitchens wouldn't describe himself as right wing and in fact sides with liberty on a lot of issues
Regarding his views on the welfare state I fully agree with him and so will you when you see £20,000 going in income tax.
Mucca Mad Boys
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He's a conservative so he's right wing in his leanings, he's, at a minimum, paternalistic Tory. He keeps quiet on economics, I haven't seen much, but he seems to quite RW in that, favouring monetarism. Socially he's RW, believing multiculturalism has failed, I disagree. Education, he's RW, favours grammar and private schools.
The Welfare State, an interesting one, I think if we go into figures, benefits appears to be high, but, if you live of that, it's barely enough to survive. The Welfare State is a capitalist reaction (especially giving the times they were created) and there is no need for it if full employment is achieved, which cannot be achieved in a capitalist society, the USSR achieved full employment so didn't need a welfare state.
Sky Blue Pete
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Irony my friend
Sky Blue Pete
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You all should read blue like jazz by Donald miller. Reacquaint oneself with god not tied up in religion
Mucca Mad Boys
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Grendel
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Oh I agree on his views on education as well. I agree with grammar schools. How many labour prime ministers with a working class background do you think would ever have made it under a comprehensive "lets all fail together unless you are rich and privileged" system?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Well, you and Peter are wrong, Finland have the best education system without private or grammar schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
http://www.businessinsider.com/finlands-education-system-best-in-world-2012-11?op=1
http://www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases/2013/03/uk-needs-to-match-finlands-education-system-to-drive-economic-growth-says-cbi-chief/
lordsummerisle
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Which is why we now have a Labour Party made up of the upper middle-class, for the upper middle-class, as are all the big three.
The chances of a decent Labour Party that stood for what it was brought into being for died with John Smith unfortunately, and Tory Plan B was elected Labour Leader.
Grendel
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Which is of course why Finland is at the centre of world economic affairs.
The grammer school educated Shirley Williams introduced comprehensive education whilst sending her own brood to grammer schools.
Of all the labour politicians who have made it to the front bench I am aware of only one who was educated at his local comprehensive. Why is that do you think?
Even the bastion of the left I believe (have not got my computer in sight so can only speculate) John Crudas sent his children to a achieving state school nowhere near his catchment area. Other ministers of education Diane Abbott, Harriet Harman - well actions really spoke louder than words.
Mucca Mad Boys
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New Labour are not the bastions of the Left! Britain's parties have become all 'fat liberals' (to take Lennon's phrase) I'd rather us be like France, adverse politics > consensus politics everyday. The HoC is full of middle-class Oxbridge grads, so protect their classes' interests. Gone are the days when the HoC was a clash between the classes (upper-class Tories v working-class Labour v the rest).
Grendel
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Are you saying Callaghan, Williams, benn, Wilson were NEW labour? Really?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Hang on, you never mentioned any of them bar Williams.
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Grendel
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I'm talking about a former prime minister who preceded over Williams' tenure at education. Oh dear have you never heard of him?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Well, Shirely Williams was on the right of the Labour Party, part of the faction that split into the Social-Democratic party. She was a neo-liberal. Quick search on the Internet and cross-referencing my Politics folder, I know who she is now and the Scoial-Democratic Party. Now I've got to search the other lot up.
No, it's out of my time by 30-odd years.
Ok, Benn was on the left with Foot, so was Callaghan and Wilson. But I don't get you're point because you were on about New Labour politicians (Abbott + Crudas) and Shirley Williams who is now a Liberal-Democrat? All neo-Liberals.
The bottom line is, Finland have the best education system, and the CBI suggests we should use that model which would increase economic growth by 1% per year.
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The C of E tried that on me, I resisted rather successfully..
Mucca Mad Boys
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I'm preparing for Monday
It's school work for today, and tomorrow, but Monday will be epic.