ACL Embarassed?? (11 Viewers)

[Macca]

couldn t be more anti sisu if I tried but this is just a pathetic act

 

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[dongonzalos]

yeh the trolls like dongon, ash and pgsm1 have really been shown up today.

Yes I have shown my true colours. I have shown myself to have a bit of a garbage mouth. Intolerant of other people's opinions. Over reactive. Bit of an unhappy angry person. Also I have shown I have a desire to remove other posters from the site who have a different opinion to me.

Shown myself up to be not that nice a person really.

All over a balloon, I am ashamed

 

[hill83]

I accepted I would be hypocritical if TF had done it.

For the reasons explained when you look at an identical action committed by two different people.

Your past experiences views opinions and stereotypes cloud your perception of that action.

The hurt SISU have caused me with regards to CCFC mean I would find less humour if they did it. I have more empathy towards PWKH as he has also suffered at the hands of SISU so I can see why he did.

So I know it is hypocritical I say yes it is.

No I don't think I have missed the point.

And I wasn't associating you with the name calling just pointing out that those who are hyper sensitive are also hyper over reactive.

I know you weren't associating it with me. I was telling you why I think you've got some over the top abuse.
And I believe it's due to being a hypocrite in this instance. Not, as you said before, "Because you don't think putting a balloon on someone's car is a bad thing"
Because you would be shouting from the rooftops if fisher had done it instead

Edit: Forget about the f*cking balloon essentially

 

[dongonzalos]

I know you weren't associating it with me. I was telling you why I think you've got some over the top abuse.
And I believe it's due to being a hypocrite in this instance. Not, as you said before, "Because you don't think putting a balloon on someone's car is a bad thing"
Because you would be shouting from the rooftops if fisher had done it instead.

Yep I would be definitely

 

[hill83]

Yep I would be definitely

So now do you see that you missed the point of his vitriol?
Or do you still think he runs a balloon company?

Fair play for admitting it though. Most would dance around it saying it's just a giggle, or suggest this was someone else's fault.

Have an Internet high five from me.

 

[rustyredline]

At least it's something for people to post about whilst the administrator tops up his tan . People on here seem to be more angry than Fisher about this.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

It seems this is in danger of getting blown out of all proportion. A single balloon was put under the wiper on Tim Fisher’s Defender. As we were walking away he caught us up and joked that we had better be careful or he would let his dog eat us. Nothing more. At least both “sides” can still retain their sense of humour whilst stuck in all the “issues”. It’s a pity the football was a muddy mess.

I'm pleased we can all keep our sense of humour & not let things get personal. I can also understand why people are angered by the story - as it is reported.
What concerns me most (if true) is that you are quoted as suggesting the best way forward in all this is to have "proper business discussion". What on earth have all of you been doing in these "meetings" thus far? Having Kazoo lessons, Juggling & playing Kerplunk??? Sort it out or give those that care most reassurances.

 

[mark82]

I never suggested that he should stop posting - I wouldn't censor anyone. Rather, I stated that his posts should be viewed with a level of scepticism reserved for those who have shown a willingness to manipulate the feelings of the fans to suit their own means.

Equally, I would view the statements coming from SISU in a similar light.

Fair enough. Likewise one misguided childish moment doesn't make him a bad person/liar/whatever else people have called him. Just think it is being blown way out of proportion.

 

[mark82]

Plenty of time whilst SISU's administrator goes on holiday

It is not SISU's administrator. It is CCFC ltd.'s administrator. He is neutral.

 

[dongonzalos]

So now do you see that you missed the point of his vitriol?
Or do you still think he runs a balloon company?

Fair play for admitting it though. Most would dance around it saying it's just a giggle, or suggest this was someone else fault.

Have an Internet high five from me.

No not missed his point as I have stated from the beginning after having a think about it I would be a hypocrite in this matter.

I was more concerned with his abuse of anyone who dared to disagree with his rant.

I know I would be ranting if TF did it yet I would not be abusive to those who tried to get me to take some perspective or those who felt TF just did a mis placed prank.

 

[1nilandwe...]

This is utterly, utterly depressing.

Some of you folks slinging insults around, please read back over this thread and put yourselves in the shoes of a fan of another club. Because if we read any of this absoute drivel on any other football club forum we would be laughing our heads off. How have you managed to turn such a terrible piece of journalism about a stupid and ridiculous event, into a full slanging match?

We are (one of) the laughing stock(s) of football right now and we as fans are not helping matters at all.

 

[dongonzalos]

It is not SISU's administrator. It is CCFC ltd.'s administrator. He is neutral.

SISU's preferred administrator

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Anything is better than being a two faced scab like you.

Come back when you're sober and you feel you have something constructive to say rather than name calling like a child. The saying 'some people never grow up' spring to mind when it comes to you.

 

[dongonzalos]

So now do you see that you missed the point of his vitriol?
Or do you still think he runs a balloon company?

Fair play for admitting it though. Most would dance around it saying it's just a giggle, or suggest this was someone else's fault.

Have an Internet high five from me.

Ps if I was running a balloon company the car would have been air bourne and I would not have been caught in the act

 

[duffer]

There's some great stuff on this forum, and some people on both sides of ACL/SISU debate who make excellent points.

The playground name-calling stuff though, I don't get that.

Anyhow, for me, sorry PWKH, but I think this was a bit daft. I don't doubt that there's no love lost between the individual parties (and fwiw my opinion is that it's mostly SISU's fault), but regardless this wasn't an appropriate way to behave. Why make it personal - this is going to have to be thrashed out by the lawyers now anyway. Better to maintain some professional courtesy on both sides, I'd say.

And maybe we could use a little calmness here, too

 

[hill83]

No not missed his point as I have stated from the beginning after having a think about it I would be a hypocrite in this matter.

I was more concerned with his abuse of anyone who dared to disagree with his rant.

I know I would be ranting if TF did it yet I would not be abusive to those who tried to get me to take some perspective or those who felt TF just did a mis placed prank.

Oh my god.

Nobody disagrees with you saying that you would be hypocritical. If anything they would agree with it.

Edit: apologies, I misread this post.
I still think you've missed the point though

 

[mark82]

SISU's preferred administrator

Not opposed by ACL though. He is duty bound by law to be neutral.

 

[Ashdown1]

Well, we certainly know why you're not "incensed", it's because it was PWKH/ACL "what done it". Roles reversed and you'd be swearing like a good 'un as you do when you're going off on one.

<sniff, sniff> Is that hypocrisy I can smell?

I don't favour any side in this, I want what is best for CCFC all round but its plain to see who has destroyed the football club with appalling and devious management and who has perhaps been guilty of contributing towards 1/8th of the clubs losses over successive years with a hefty rent.

 

[dongonzalos]

Not opposed by ACL though. He is duty bound by law to be neutral.

Could they successfully oppose
I thought by putting a company into liquidation you get trump card on choosing the administrator.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It seems this is in danger of getting blown out of all proportion. A single balloon was put under the wiper on Tim Fisher’s Defender. As we were walking away he caught us up and joked that we had better be careful or he would let his dog eat us. Nothing more. At least both “sides” can still retain their sense of humour whilst stuck in all the “issues”. It’s a pity the football was a muddy mess.

If a SISU did a similar thing with your, or another ACL guy's car, you'd be the first to criticise their unprofessional behaviour, that's what it was, unprofessional, and actually, it wasn't even funny. What's worst about this sorry episode is that you've compromised ACL's impartiality more than anything and it suggests that ACL are anti-SISU which I bet has held back negotiations (before you say, it works two ways).

What did you hope to achieve? It was a stupid and pointless thing to do and I bet Fisher walked/drove away thinking 'what a tool', because you are, if that's your type of humour, then you are one boring person.

Oh, and by the folks, don't people lambast SISU for humiliating CCFC in the press? This has embarrassed the club even more, it speaks volumes that no one has said it brings shame on our club and it suggests that there are many hypocrites on this board.

P.S. I'd feel exactly the same if a SISU guy did this.

 

[mark82]

Could they successfully oppose
I thought by putting a company into liquidation you get trump card on choosing the administrator.

They put it into administration not liquidation. Yes, as a creditor they could oppose. They had the opportunity in the 2 initial court sessions.

 

[dongonzalos]

Oh my god.

Nobody disagrees with you saying that you would be hypocritical. If anything they would agree with it.

Edit: apologies, I misread this post.
I still think you've missed the point though

I think I ran out of points to miss surely!

You stated at the beginning shoe on the other foot there would be out rage and this is hypocritical.

I agreed with you and put myself in that box and explained why.

His rant was not about that, he rant was this is a big deal and anyone who thinks otherwise (he did not name me at that stage) is a stupid shit.

So his was it is a big deal, his issue was with the action NOT the hypocrisy.

Re read his(her) initial post.

 

[hill83]

P.S. I'd feel exactly the same if a SISU guy did this.

The fact you even need to state this to avoid being called a turncoat Sisu rent boy scab amuses me.
Well no, it annoys me.

 

[sky blue john]

it sure is a slow news day !

 

[Godiva]

Could they successfully oppose
I thought by putting a company into liquidation you get trump card on choosing the administrator.

The company is not in liquidation ... not yet anyway.
The advantage sisu got by putting the company in administration is that ACL will now only have access to information that the administrator presents to the court. If ACL had succeeded in putting the club in administration they would have access to a lot more information - everything the administrator finds, even the stuff irrelevant to the debts owed to ACL.

The administrator himself will do his work independently of who chose him. So there's no real effect to the administration outcome if he was preferred by sisu or ACL.

 

[LarryGrayson]

I don't favour any side in this, I want what is best for CCFC all round but its plain to see who has destroyed the football club with appalling and devious management and who has perhaps been guilty of contributing towards 1/8th of the clubs losses over successive years with a hefty rent.

acl?

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wth ten characters

 

[dongonzalos]

I know you weren't associating it with me. I was telling you why I think you've got some over the top abuse.
And I believe it's due to being a hypocrite in this instance. Not, as you said before, "Because you don't think putting a balloon on someone's car is a bad thing"
Because you would be shouting from the rooftops if fisher had done it instead

Edit: Forget about the f*cking balloon essentially

anyone who defends this or downplays it is a stupid shit

this is just a game to acl,they want to win and finish with last laugh they dont give a shit about ccfc

after this we now know we can disregard PKWH posts, anytime he says sisu have not responded we cant trust him

dont post again you prick

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[rupert_bear]

If a SISU did a similar thing with your, or another ACL guy's car, you'd be the first to criticise their unprofessional behaviour, that's what it was, unprofessional, and actually, it wasn't even funny. What's worst about this sorry episode is that you've compromised ACL's impartiality more than anything and it suggests that ACL are anti-SISU which I bet has held back negotiations (before you say, it works two ways).

What did you hope to achieve? It was a stupid and pointless thing to do and I bet Fisher walked/drove away thinking 'what a tool', because you are, if that's your type of humour, then you are one boring person.

Oh, and by the folks, don't people lambast SISU for humiliating CCFC in the press? This has embarrassed the club even more, it speaks volumes that no one has said it brings shame on our club and it suggests that there are many hypocrites on this board.

P.S. I'd feel exactly the same if a SISU guy did this.

At any opportunity you jump on anything to show your true pro-sisu colours which i am certain you will deny. Just what would you do or support to bring OUR club back from the depths it has now sunk to.
Will you be at tonights meeting with Elliott and Hoffman, it's in Kenilworth by the way. You can listen and/or ask relevent questions.

 

[torchomatic]

A slow anti-SISU news day, do you mean?

it sure is a slow news day !

 

[hill83]

I think I ran out of points to miss surely!

You stated at the beginning shoe on the other foot there would be out rage and this is hypocritical.

I agreed with you and put myself in that box and explained why.

His rant was not about that, he rant was this is a big deal and anyone who thinks otherwise (he did not name me at that stage) is a stupid shit.

So his was it is a big deal, his issue was with the action NOT the hypocrisy.

Re read his(her) initial post.

Hmmmm, well read a page or so after and you'll see that you are wrong.

*I don't condone abuse
*I am not a Sisu rent boy
*I like smoked salmon

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

At any opportunity you jump on anything to show your true pro-sisu colours which i am certain you will deny. Just what would you do or support to bring OUR club back from the depths it has now sunk to.
Will you be at tonights meeting with Elliott and Hoffman, it's in Kenilworth by the way. You can listen and/or ask relevent questions.

He's just not pro ACL like 90% of fans are, that doesn't make him pro SISU

 

[duffer]

Could they successfully oppose
I thought by putting a company into liquidation you get trump card on choosing the administrator.

I think there's a certain advantage to having an Administrator of your own choosing, even if he is constrained by law in how he is supposed to act. I think the proof of this is in the way that SISU jumped in at the last minute to place the club into admin themselves, rather than to allow ACL to do it and get their preferred Administrator.

In the long run it may not make much difference. If there's a clear case that the best chance of success for the business is to put in place a new owner, then that's what the Administrator will probably be forced to do, however if there are grey areas I would expect that he'll look to act in SISU's interests first.

As an example I'm surprised that the Administrator has taken a holiday at this point, you'd have thought he would either have delayed it until his report is complete, or declined to accept the job. I suspect that ACL's chosen Administrator wouldn't have taken such a relaxed attitude to the process.

* Should say here that I'm basing the holiday thing on hearsay - it could all be complete boll*cks!

 

[torchomatic]

Couldn't agree more! That's the way I see it, too. I don't think ANYONE supports SISU or wants them to stay. I certainly don't. However, I don't agree with ACLs stand either in the past or now and won't shuffle over every post from PWKH.

He's just not pro ACL like 90% of fans are, that doesn't make him pro SISU

 

[sky blue john]

He's just not pro ACL like 90% of fans are, that doesn't make him pro SISU

How do you make 90% of fans pro acl ?

 

[torchomatic]

Because they keep telling us they are? And I would imagine he meant "posters".

How do you make 90% of fans pro acl ?