I will never support coventry city if they are not in coventry (4 Viewers)

[bigfatronssba]

It's flawed logic, if we're being forced out, what can we do!?

The past is the past, if ACL want to play sour grapes by rejecting approaches for negotiations, what can the club do!? Answer that one.

Forced out?

CCFC have left the Ricoh of their own accord after turning down an acceptable rent offer.

At what point have ACL said they are evicting the club?

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Not naive at all. I never even mentioned PH4. I only stated a fact that they are only in if for the money . Either that or to have somewhere to channel losses from other arms of the business.I agree with you about being ripped off and only wish Sisu had bought half the ground and invested in the team and got us challenging at the top of the championship. But they never have in the six years they have been here. So we learn this week of a plan to basically defraud cov council taxpayers to obtain what they want. Worst position for 50 yrs for the team and now on about fecking off from the city . I bet come the new season we will still be at the Ricoh and next year we will have the same old shite.

When they first came in they did invest, Dann and Fox straight away, Gunnar, Eastwood, Clingan, Best (paid unpaid fees) etc. there's nearly 3m in 2 windows, and that isn't all of them.

I mentioned PH4 because of the nature of your post, you portrayed SISU as being unique in this, there's no denying SISU want the club and RICOH to make profit, these hedge funds are slaves to money, but, capitalists are in general, slaves to money, and to suggest that PH4 wouldn't have the same overall intentions is naive at best, stupid at worst - take your pick.

What's this plan of defrauding the taxpayer? The only party to defraud the taxpayer is the council, who bailed out ACL with £14m in times of austerity, I wouldn't condone it in times of prosperity, a completely unjustified waste of TP's money!

The club has been in steep decline since relegation from the premiership, if it weren't for SISU in the first place, we would've been in this mess 5 years before, with hindsight it was probably better SISU didn't come, but you couldn't guarantee then we couldn't do a Pompey, so have they created the situation? Not entirely, it was already there.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Forced out?

CCFC have left the Ricoh of their own accord after turning down an acceptable rent offer.

At what point have ACL said they are evicting the club?

They haven't said they're evicting us, but they rejected an offer to renegotiate, so they kind of have evicted us if they don't want to renegotiate a new deal to stay.

 

[Grendel]

Forced out?

CCFC have left the Ricoh of their own accord after turning down an acceptable rent offer.

At what point have ACL said they are evicting the club?

It is lazy arguments like that which is helping to create the problem -- acceptable to who exactly?

 

[ryb1983ccfc]

yaaaaawwwn!

 

[SBT]

Irrelevant, we're not franchising the club elsewhere, it's a temporary move, it'd be like Brighton, if anything.

Awesome, just the 11 years with no proper home ground then.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You are so boring now sky blue taylor you can not try to justify wat they are doing to our club anymore ! Don't ever question my commitment as a fan ! I bleed sky blue ! No I don't get to every game but I love the club through and through! Pusb!

You bleed sky blue? Yet won't go to a game in say, Brum... Great supporter.

Like my mate who's a Man U fan who said he's 'die hard'... Hasn't been to 10 league games (he can afford it, has had the opportunities, just hasn't gone, at least my glory supporting friend who supports Arsenal goes as often as he can) yet, whilst sitting on his sofa watching them on Sky or on MOTD, well 'die hard'... :facepalm:

 

[bigfatronssba]

They haven't said they're evicting us, but they rejected an offer to renegotiate, so they kind of have evicted us if they don't want to renegotiate a new deal to stay.

I might be wrong here but was this latest offer to negeotiate not from CCFC Holdings?

The rent row now has nothing to do with CCFC Holdings or Sisu, it is up to the administrator to meet with ACL.

The current rent agreement still exists between ACL and CCFC Ltd. For ACL to then allow a different company to have priority access to the pitch would be illegal under the rental agreement.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Awesome, just the 11 years with no proper home ground then.

But it's worth it now isn't it!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I might be wrong here but was this latest offer to negeotiate not from CCFC Holdings?

The rent row now has nothing to do with CCFC Holdings or Sisu, it is up to the administrator to meet with ACL.

The current rent agreement still exists between ACL and CCFC Ltd. For ACL to then allow a different company to have priority access to the pitch would be illegal under the rental agreement.

Possibly, but, how can we get agreements elsewhere then?

 

[bigfatronssba]

It is lazy arguments like that which is helping to create the problem -- acceptable to who exactly?

Acceptable to anyone with common sense.

If they spend £25m on a new ground to save them having to pay out £400k a year, it will take well over 50 years before seeing a return on that investment. Great business sense that.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Possibly, but, how can we get agreements elsewhere then?

If the golden share is the club then I dont see what authority Fisher has to take the club anywhere.

My opinion is ACL are trying to show that the administrator is control of the club.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It is lazy arguments like that which is helping to create the problem -- acceptable to who exactly?

When you throw statistics in there, it looks like a decent offer, the context of the situation is that it's unsatisfactory for a L1 club, and people will say who's fault is that? Well, wouldn't this be the time to offer CCFC a hand to help the, get back into the Championship so we can carry on paying, logically. If the local council (who have a responsibility to the community, CCFC in L1 is good for no one) and the charity care, then why have they seemingly turned their back on the club in it's time of need.

 

[Delboycov]

So what would you do if the club is being forced out then?

Do we break into the RICOH to play our home games then!? If ACL won't renegotiate, what can be done, there is no adequate facility available in Coventry, so you'd have to go elsewhere, I guess you're conveniently missing this out... Have you just given up and are looking for a way of justifying your decision?

I think your conveniently forgetting that the club were not being forced out and it is only through them being seemingly utterly hell bent on burning all bridges that we've reached the situation we're in now. They negotiated a seemingly acceptable rent and revenue stream level, given that by all accounts this was agreed on with handshakes all round only to renege on the deal. I personally think this is more mind games but as I said on an earlier thread they aren't just playing games with ACL/CCC...they're playing games with us and holding the majority of fans that hold playing in our home city as sacrosanct to ransom. You're a very intelligent poster and I certainly agree with your political views(!) but what amazes me is that you can be so blase about us playing outside the city for any length of time or even permanantly if we move to our "new South Warwickshire home".

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If the golden share is the club then I dont see what authority Fisher has to take the club anywhere.

My opinion is ACL are trying to show that the administrator is control of the club.

Is the administrator in control of the club though? Only 1/2 of the club is in admin.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Is the administrator in control of the club though? Only 1/2 of the club is in admin.

Depends on what you class as the club really.

The model of football clubs doesn't fit well to the model of a standard business.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I think your conveniently forgetting that the club were not being forced out and it is only through them being seemingly utterly hell bent on burning all bridges that we've reached the situation we're in now. They negotiated a seemingly acceptable rent and revenue stream level, given that by all accounts this was agreed on with handskaes all round only to renege on the deal. I personally think this is more mind games but as I said on an earlier thread they aren't just playing games with ACL/CCC...they're playing games with us and holding the majority of fans that hold playing in our home city as sacrosanct to ransom. You're a very intelligent poster and I certainly agree with your political views(!) but what amazes me is that you can be so blase about us playing outside the city for any length of time or even permanantly if we move to our "new South Warwickshire home".

As Grendel said, who's it acceptable to? You? ACL? A L1 football club?

Like I said, the past is the past, if SISU come back, seemingly with its tail between its leg to renegotiate, why did ACL reject the approach to negotiate? If they accepted yet couldn't come to an agreement for whatever reason, their position would be stronger, but they've only shot themselves in the foot.

Again, what are the club suppose to do if ACL rejected the offer to renegotiate the rent deal? There doesn't seem another option but to play outside of Coventry (since there's no other adequate facility in Coventry) until ACL want to renegotiate. Clearly both parties are at fault for this fiasco.

 

[SBT]

But it's worth it now isn't it!

You're right, makes me wonder why all clubs don't try and go through what they did!

Baffling.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Depends on what you class as the club really.

The model of football clubs doesn't fit well to the model of a standard business.

Which we don't know at the minute, unfortunately.

 

[Delboycov]

As Grendel said, who's it acceptable to? You? ACL? A L1 football club?


I would say it was acceptable to the representatives of SISU who shook hands on the deal.....

 

[ccfctommy]

Reading all of this just makes me hope we sort something out and play at the Ricoh.

SB Taylor has made a good point though - barring the Ricoh there is no other suitable venue in the City boundaries. There is the Butts Park Arena but you would need at least two temporary stands.

 

[DaleM]

When they first came in they did invest, Dann and Fox straight away, Gunnar, Eastwood, Clingan, Best (paid unpaid fees) etc. there's nearly 3m in 2 windows, and that isn't all of them.

I mentioned PH4 because of the nature of your post, you portrayed SISU as being unique in this, there's no denying SISU want the club and RICOH to make profit, these hedge funds are slaves to money, but, capitalists are in general, slaves to money, and to suggest that PH4 wouldn't have the same overall intentions is naive at best, stupid at worst - take your pick.

What's this plan of defrauding the taxpayer? The only party to defraud the taxpayer is the council, who bailed out ACL with £14m in times of austerity, I wouldn't condone it in times of prosperity, a completely unjustified waste of TP's money!

The club has been in steep decline since relegation from the premiership, if it weren't for SISU in the first place, we would've been in this mess 5 years before, with hindsight it was probably better SISU didn't come, but you couldn't guarantee then we couldn't do a Pompey, so have they created the situation? Not entirely, it was already there.

Yes and it didn't work did it . All good players but not good enough to achieve 'operation premiership'. I think your communist tendancies are showing. Im too long in the tooth not to know about capitalism and am neither naive or stupid. As for defrauding the taxpayers who owns half of the ricoh, not the council but the taxpayers of Coventry. The council is there to represent everyone who contributes hard earned money ,which coincidentally we earn by working for capitalists. Make no mistake unless a local boy come good buys us ,who is a fan , whoever owns us will have to invest in the team and find the magic formula to achieve success to recoup the initial outlay. Most football teams run at a loss and it is primed to implode soon. Unless ccfc get new investment the club is doomed. Sisu , i believe still hope to get the club up the divisions and sell at a profit but its not happening is it ? Inept management maybe or just sharks that havent a clue . Take your pick.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As Grendel said, who's it acceptable to? You? ACL? A L1 football club?

Like I said, the past is the past, if SISU come back, seemingly with its tail between its leg to renegotiate, why did ACL reject the approach to negotiate? If they accepted yet couldn't come to an agreement for whatever reason, their position would be stronger, but they've only shot themselves in the foot.

Again, what are the club suppose to do if ACL rejected the offer to renegotiate the rent deal? There doesn't seem another option but to play outside of Coventry (since there's no other adequate facility in Coventry) until ACL want to renegotiate. Clearly both parties are at fault for this fiasco.

OK, for the God knows how many-th time:

Rent reduced by £900k.

Cross invoicing of total F+B revenues.

Access to ACL's share of F+B profit.

Rent arrears (accrued in violation of contract), cut down by £700k.

Escrow cut down by £300k.

In my mind none of the above adds up to ACL being unwilling negotiators. What part of this offer is so unpalateable that it is worth shifting the club to a groundshare outside of Coventry, shedding thousands more fans and incurring even greater financial hardship? If we have enough money for a new ground we have enough money to easily take up 50% of the one we (used to?) occupy and merge CCFC and ACL into one. I just don't understand your defence of such gross incompetence.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But it's worth it now isn't it!

Brighton were evicted from the Goldstone as their owners had illegally sold the ground for retail development. It is in no way a valid comparison with our own situation whereby the current owners of the ground are desperate to keep us there. For what it's worth, the Amex has been expanded after one season and they have waiting lists for season tickets-about as opposite to us as you can get.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Let's make one thing clear.

Is Sisu want to move to another ground temporarily then that can only happen if they have a solid plan to return to Coventry with a new stadium being built.

The football league and FA will not sanction any move to St Andrews or the likes without that. The only way they can have a solid plan is with funding being shown, planning permission being accepted for a new ground etc.

You can't just pack up and leave.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I would say it was acceptable to the representatives of SISU who shook hands on the deal.....

What proof is there that this happened? Perhaps it did, but you're going on what someone else has said, we know nothing, the context etc. etc.

 

[Grendel]

What proof is there that this happened? Perhaps it did, but you're going on what someone else has said, we know nothing, the context etc. etc.

No proof other than the balloon blower saying it did.

 

[Sick Boy]

I wonder what would have happened to Brighton if their fans shared this attitude?

 

[TasmanSeaSkyBlue]

This is a very divisive thread - it splits CCFC supporters into rival camps with differing agendas.

At this point in time, all Sky Blues fans 'should' be in ONE united group with the specific aim of seeing Coventry City Sky Blues playing football in the city of Coventry, at the Ricoh Arena, in League 1 for the 2013-2014 season, to obtain promotion to the Championship. Understandably, everyone has taken sides & formed their own opinions but this is where all supporters should ask themselves what that really want. There are too many battles being fought right now against too many other groups, making Sky Blues fans appear like a leaderless rabble. It makes it easier for SiSU, ACL & the rest to get their BS messages & points across in the media, who will print anything in the paper to fill the pages & sensationalise it to sell the fish & chip wrap newspaper.

We have to UNITED to take CCFC to where we want to be.

 

[skybluelee]

Sky blue taylor - i think you need to get a girlfriend or something. Spending your entire life posting on this forum cannot be healthy.

 

[valiant15]

Sky blue taylor - i think you need to get a girlfriend or something. Spending your entire life posting on this forum cannot be healthy.

Get a girlfriend? Who'd have a boring c**t like him? I bet the only pair of tits he's ever seen are his mums.

 

[CCFCDan87]

Grendel and Taylor are 2 sad individuals. I don't know why people just don't ignore them.

 

[ryb1983ccfc]

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no to fucking rite I would not go to fucking dirty brum! My team is COVENTRY CITY! as for comparing me to a man u or arsenal fan get a life! Its not about just supporting the club any more its bout the survival of it!

 

[KersleyDigs]

I will only support City if they play in Coventry. I don't live in Coventry anymore, so the football club is part of my identity. It's part of who i am and where I have come from. If it's moved away from the City it no longer represents this.
If pride in your own identity wasn't important we'd all support Man U.

 

[aviles]

we're just a bus stop in walsall