Definitive proof that the club is owned by ccfc ltd (5 Viewers)

[psgm1]

Or at least that ccfc Ltd are holders of the golden share!

As I said, I would do anything and everything to fight for the survival of the club. As the trust is clearly inept, and the way to go after the bad guy is NEVER by the front door, but to catch them out.

Any how just received THIS directly from the football league.......

Thank you for your email.

Please see the Owners and Directors Test FAQ page here http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FAQ/FAQsDetail/0,,10794~2428071,00.html. As you will see the requirement is that all Clubs must publish on their website details of the owners (directly or indirectly, legally or beneficially) of 10% or more of the Club.

As you will also be aware the club is currently in administration.

Thank you for contacting The Football League.

Regards,

Andrew Pomfret
Customer Services Officer
The Football League Limited
www.football-league.co.uk

As I said others say others talk and talk and CLAIM to do things. I TAKE ACTION

Now this is in the public domain (and why I despise anyone like the people at the trust trying to do things secretively and away from scrutiny).

Safe to say this is NOW out in the open and if Preston Haskell or Gary Hoffman or Joe Eliot want to deal with someone who will ACTUALLY FIGHT for the club rather than talk about it I will be happy to talk to them direct.

I will NOT do mas the trust has started to do and try and keep everything on the QT to avoid public scrutiny.

Could it be that the ONE person the supporters of the trust have been so desperate to silence is the ONE person to provide the PROOF that allows the club to be bought out?

Could it be I have single handedly provided the necessary EVIDENCE that the club CAN be saved by P4 WITHOUT asking for a single penny from supporters.

Will the trust now apologise for doin gnothing to save the club?

Certainly this is proof that ONE voice and ONE fan with a passion for the club CAN do achieve something!

Not only that, but I haven't had to compromise my integrity and keep quiet to sit in front of sisu.

Think time for the members of the trust to ask their leader why THEY with the fighting fund they currently have cannot achieve what one ex-serviceman achieved in 30 minutes!

 

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[psgm1]

Seems odd how the trust apologists went to great lengths to try and belittle me attacking sisu this way, seems YET AGAIN I have been vindicated!

I will accept the apologies here on in!

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

Ermmmm wheres the news here? You emailed the league and got their standard response back? We all know that the share was in ltd originally, that has no bearing on where the share is now. If it was that simple the administrator would have finished his work weeks ago wouldn't he.

 

[psgm1]

It is CATEGORIC PROOF that the league is giving the share to Ltd!

This is BIG news! as beforre today, it is rumoured - TODAY it is CONFIRMED NO WAY SISU get around this! And how come the trust couldn't achieve this?

 

[ccfcdan]

Nothing to see here, move along people.

 

[ccfcdan]

It is CATEGORIC PROOF that the league is giving the share to Ltd!

This is BIG news! as beforre today, it is rumoured - TODAY it is CONFIRMED NO WAY SISU get around this! And how come the trust couldn't achieve this?

Am I missing something?

 

[Si80]

Just exactly what have you proven? I've just checked the CCFC official website and theirs nothing on there with regards to our owners. So unless I'm being blind (possible) then we are breaching FL requirements.

 

[olderskyblue]

This is old news mate. Been posted before. keep up.

 

[Covcraig@bury]

Well done psgm1. a fan with a passion and some back bone.

I salute you sir , and don my cap to you.

:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:

 

[psgm1]

Erm what a surprise I have unequivocal proof that CCFC Ltd are the rightful owners of the team (up to now it hasn't been explicitly stated) and the trust try and down play it!

The trust ask the administrator questions and whoop whoop they are saving the club!

I no longer have to prove the trust are doing nothing, they are doing that very well on their own!

And seems other people have realised this too

Trust have done NOTHING - they have Refused TO CONDEMN a move away, the CRACKS are growing ever wider.

They WILL dissolve inn a few weeks and good riddance. A total wasted opportunity from a clique of self absorbed fame hungry egotists. They WILL NOT BE MISSED

 

[Colin1883]

Just exactly what have you proven? I've just checked the CCFC official website and theirs nothing on there with regards to our owners. So unless I'm being blind (possible) then we are breaching FL requirements.

The club is owned by atleast 11 investors with sisu only managing the investment on behalf of their investors

 

[Nick]

What is it proof of? It doesn't say "The golden share belongs to limited"?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Or at least that ccfc Ltd are holders of the golden share!

As I said, I would do anything and everything to fight for the survival of the club. As the trust is clearly inept, and the way to go after the bad guy is NEVER by the front door, but to catch them out.

Any how just received THIS directly from the football league.......

Thank you for your email.

Please see the Owners and Directors Test FAQ page here http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FAQ/FAQsDetail/0,,10794~2428071,00.html. As you will see the requirement is that all Clubs must publish on their website details of the owners (directly or indirectly, legally or beneficially) of 10% or more of the Club.

As you will also be aware the club is currently in administration.

Thank you for contacting The Football League.

Regards,

Andrew Pomfret
Customer Services Officer
The Football League Limited
www.football-league.co.uk

As I said others say others talk and talk and CLAIM to do things. I TAKE ACTION

Now this is in the public domain (and why I despise anyone like the people at the trust trying to do things secretively and away from scrutiny).

Safe to say this is NOW out in the open and if Preston Haskell or Gary Hoffman or Joe Eliot want to deal with someone who will ACTUALLY FIGHT for the club rather than talk about it I will be happy to talk to them direct.

I will NOT do mas the trust has started to do and try and keep everything on the QT to avoid public scrutiny.

Could it be that the ONE person the supporters of the trust have been so desperate to silence is the ONE person to provide the PROOF that allows the club to be bought out?

Could it be I have single handedly provided the necessary EVIDENCE that the club CAN be saved by P4 WITHOUT asking for a single penny from supporters.

Will the trust now apologise for doin gnothing to save the club?

Certainly this is proof that ONE voice and ONE fan with a passion for the club CAN do achieve something!

Not only that, but I haven't had to compromise my integrity and keep quiet to sit in front of sisu.

Think time for the members of the trust to ask their leader why THEY with the fighting fund they currently have cannot achieve what one ex-serviceman achieved in 30 minutes!

Applaud your efforts, but I cannot see how not stating something on the website serves to prove anything other than the owners have failed to comply with a FL regulation.
What is more apparent is your MAJOR rant about the SBT. I am sceptical about the SBT myself...but do not feel compelled to rubbish them or their efforts. Why do you?

 

[Hobo]

If you look at companies house ccfc ltd are in administration. Holdings are not in administration. The Football League have already indicated they believe the golden share is with the company in administration. However SISU are contesting this and have already put forward a legal argument. The administrator has said it will probably end up for a court to decide. I think the administrator is right. So basically you have proved nothing. I am not a trust member by the way.

 

[ricohman]

I think u should take your head out of your arse, and get off your high horse before the weight of your head topples you over

 

[Paxman II]

WTF are you talking about psgm?
Your naivety is on a scale of 1-10 is clearly 10 and as always you make no sense at all other than in your own fantasy world.
Demanding apologies and the like when you have proven nothing is rather odd.

I would ask how old you are but I'd get abuse and I would ask what your education was but again I fear I'd get abuse back so I won't bother.
I wouldn't mind so much if you listened to ALL the debate that goes on here and take it in but clearly you don't and the tone of your post is so self satisfying it only serves to amuse.

So am I being horrible now? Well yes probably but I'm not sure how else to respond to you. I don't particularly support all the Trust notions but they are a group trying and in good faith.

You know I wouldn't mind so much if you were not so wrong.

 

[Si80]

The club is owned by atleast 11 investors with sisu only managing the investment on behalf of their investors

Thanks for the note. What I was getting at, is that PSGM's info from the FL isn't being undertaken by CCFC on it's website.

So his specuation, sorry proof is a little lost on me.

 

[Bill Glazier]

'self absorbed fame hungry egotist(s)'

Sounds more like a description of you to me.

 

[kg82]

I know I shouldn't reply to this dimwit, but bloody hell!! It says absolutely nothing! WTF are you reading?!

 

[psgm1]

You seem to be missing the point! The league has stated that Coventy City Football Club are in administration!

As Holdings are NOT in administration, and Ltd IS, then it is CLEAR that CCFC Ltd IS Coventry City FC. AS such the share is assigned to Ltd and NOT Holdings!

Up until today, there has been ambiguity. Today the league has made a DECLARATION. Unless of course their customer relations department doesn't represent the League!

Basically Sisu can hardly now claim that their is dispute, as the Leagus has CONFIRMED!!!

How is this NOT big news?

The way is now clear for P4!

 

[Samo]

Or at least that ccfc Ltd are holders of the golden share!

As I said, I would do anything and everything to fight for the survival of the club. As the trust is clearly inept, and the way to go after the bad guy is NEVER by the front door, but to catch them out.

Any how just received THIS directly from the football league.......

Thank you for your email.

Please see the Owners and Directors Test FAQ page here http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FAQ/FAQsDetail/0,,10794~2428071,00.html. As you will see the requirement is that all Clubs must publish on their website details of the owners (directly or indirectly, legally or beneficially) of 10% or more of the Club.

As you will also be aware the club is currently in administration.

Thank you for contacting The Football League.

Regards,

Andrew Pomfret
Customer Services Officer
The Football League Limited
www.football-league.co.uk

As I said others say others talk and talk and CLAIM to do things. I TAKE ACTION

Now this is in the public domain (and why I despise anyone like the people at the trust trying to do things secretively and away from scrutiny).

Safe to say this is NOW out in the open and if Preston Haskell or Gary Hoffman or Joe Eliot want to deal with someone who will ACTUALLY FIGHT for the club rather than talk about it I will be happy to talk to them direct.

I will NOT do mas the trust has started to do and try and keep everything on the QT to avoid public scrutiny.

Could it be that the ONE person the supporters of the trust have been so desperate to silence is the ONE person to provide the PROOF that allows the club to be bought out?

Could it be I have single handedly provided the necessary EVIDENCE that the club CAN be saved by P4 WITHOUT asking for a single penny from supporters.

Will the trust now apologise for doin gnothing to save the club?

Certainly this is proof that ONE voice and ONE fan with a passion for the club CAN do achieve something!

Not only that, but I haven't had to compromise my integrity and keep quiet to sit in front of sisu.

Think time for the members of the trust to ask their leader why THEY with the fighting fund they currently have cannot achieve what one ex-serviceman achieved in 30 minutes!

I'm glad you care buddy but fuck do you need anger management... or a blowjob!

 

[psgm1]

Just look how scared and pathetic the attacks of the trust apologists has got!

I have in one stroke humiliated the trust and stengthend P4's hand!

Had the trust got this confirmation no doubt this would be front page news or on the TV! How sad they claim to have over 2,000 members and it didn't occur toy a single jack of them to even get the confirmation like this!

No wonder when you consider the problems coming up for their own website

 

[Nick]

Just look how scared and pathetic the attacks of the trust apologists has got!

I have in one stroke humiliated the trust and stengthend P4's hand!

Had the trust got this confirmation no doubt this would be front page news or on the TV! How sad they claim to have over 2,000 members and it didn't occur toy a single jack of them to even get the confirmation like this!

No wonder when you consider the problems coming up for their own website

So you have confirmed that the football league think the football club is in administration, surely this was revealed when they took 10 points a good few weeks ago?

This is confirmation of nothing, may as well have just confirmed that fire is hot but fair play for having a go!!

 

[kg82]

So you have confirmed that the football league think the football club is in administration, surely this was revealed when they took 10 points a good few weeks ago?

This is confirmation of nothing, may as well have just confirmed that fire is hot but fair play for having a go!!

Hot fires actually say now "this has proved nothing, you may as well have said psgm1 talks nonsense"

 

[Skybluesquirrel]

There are a lot of people who think the share is with CCFC Ltd. The problem will be convincing the lawyers. SISU's team of very experienced and very clever lawyers. Do you really think you will be able to take them on single handedly with this small bit of evidence and win?

 

[psgm1]

If you look at companies house ccfc ltd are in administration. Holdings are not in administration. The Football League have already indicated they believe the golden share is with the company in administration. However SISU are contesting this and have already put forward a legal argument. The administrator has said it will probably end up for a court to decide. I think the administrator is right. So basically you have proved nothing. I am not a trust member by the way.

And HENCE why you do not appreciate the significance!

What this email PROVES (sorry it seems the trust just don't seem to comprehend basic info) is that the share WILL be assigned to Ltd.

Sisu as of today have no leg to stand on!

And just shows how petty minded and ignorant the trust has become!

No wonder the backlash against the trust has ALREADY begun!

And STILL they do nothing!

Just shows how the trust is not only betraying the club but its own members.

And it is also poignant that these apologists whilst are on one hand having a go claiming I am doing nothing, yet on the other belittle CLEAR UNEQUIVOCAL action!

Just shows how sisnister the trust has become and how devious the apologists are prepared to act. When you are more concerned with silencing a fan than defending the club, it is quite valid to ask whose side are they actually on?

Certainly they seem to be defending a course of action from the trust where they REFUSE to condemn sisu's actions!

And how is this NOT betrayal?

 

[Bluegloucester]

Or at least that ccfc Ltd are holders of the golden share!

As I said, I would do anything and everything to fight for the survival of the club. As the trust is clearly inept, and the way to go after the bad guy is NEVER by the front door, but to catch them out.

Any how just received THIS directly from the football league.......

Thank you for your email.

Please see the Owners and Directors Test FAQ page here http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FAQ/FAQsDetail/0,,10794~2428071,00.html. As you will see the requirement is that all Clubs must publish on their website details of the owners (directly or indirectly, legally or beneficially) of 10% or more of the Club.

As you will also be aware the club is currently in administration.

Thank you for contacting The Football League.

Regards,

Andrew Pomfret
Customer Services Officer
The Football League Limited
www.football-league.co.uk

As I said others say others talk and talk and CLAIM to do things. I TAKE ACTION

Now this is in the public domain (and why I despise anyone like the people at the trust trying to do things secretively and away from scrutiny).

Safe to say this is NOW out in the open and if Preston Haskell or Gary Hoffman or Joe Eliot want to deal with someone who will ACTUALLY FIGHT for the club rather than talk about it I will be happy to talk to them direct.

I will NOT do mas the trust has started to do and try and keep everything on the QT to avoid public scrutiny.

Could it be that the ONE person the supporters of the trust have been so desperate to silence is the ONE person to provide the PROOF that allows the club to be bought out?

Could it be I have single handedly provided the necessary EVIDENCE that the club CAN be saved by P4 WITHOUT asking for a single penny from supporters.

Will the trust now apologise for doin gnothing to save the club?

Certainly this is proof that ONE voice and ONE fan with a passion for the club CAN do achieve something!

Not only that, but I haven't had to compromise my integrity and keep quiet to sit in front of sisu.

Think time for the members of the trust to ask their leader why THEY with the fighting fund they currently have cannot achieve what one ex-serviceman achieved in 30 minutes!

Better than Bernstein and Woodward, scoop!

 

[Nick]

What this email PROVES (sorry it seems the trust just don't seem to comprehend basic info) is that the share WILL be assigned to Ltd.

This doesn't prove anything, we all knew that the football league thought it was the club as they docked us 10 points. Sisu then kind of gave it up when they didn't appeal it.

 

[Skybluesquirrel]

Here's some grey area for you PSGM:

Can you unravel this phrase in legal terms: 'directly or indirectly, legally or beneficially'. With reference to the relevant case law where and when necessary

Also, your source is from a Mr. Andrew Pomfret. What position does Mr Pomfret hold at the football league? Where is his expertise?

 

[Nick]

He is a customer services officer....

 

[Godiva]

And HENCE why you do not appreciate the significance!

What this email PROVES (sorry it seems the trust just don't seem to comprehend basic info) is that the share WILL be assigned to Ltd.

Sisu as of today have no leg to stand on!

And just shows how petty minded and ignorant the trust has become!

No wonder the backlash against the trust has ALREADY begun!

And STILL they do nothing!

Just shows how the trust is not only betraying the club but its own members.

And it is also poignant that these apologists whilst are on one hand having a go claiming I am doing nothing, yet on the other belittle CLEAR UNEQUIVOCAL action!

Just shows how sisnister the trust has become and how devious the apologists are prepared to act. When you are more concerned with silencing a fan than defending the club, it is quite valid to ask whose side are they actually on?

Certainly they seem to be defending a course of action from the trust where they REFUSE to condemn sisu's actions!

And how is this NOT betrayal?

When so many posters quietly tell you that you have discovered what we have all known all along, why don't you sit back and take a deep breath and think they may be right?

Yes, the club is in administration. Yes the club (limited) did hold the golden share.
Absolutely nothing new.

But you are wrong about that meaning the Golden Share per default goes back to Limited. It will go back to the entity that satisfy FL they can run the club as a going concern. That may easily be sisu.

It is not even given that PH4 is prepared to outbid sisu at the auction. The way sisu have protected themself and laden Limited with debts makes it an unfair challenge (note: Unfair - not unlawful). I personally don't think PH4 is prepared to offer enough to satisfy the administrator this is the best deal for the company and the creditors.

The Trust represents all it's members ... note: That is not equal to all fans.
And as such the leadership can only act within the mandate given by the members. If you want to influence that mandate, go and join the Trust!

When all this is over there is a chance of sisu still being owners. In that case it will not do the fans any good if the Trust is unable to speak to the club. In other words, if the Trust choose to stand firmly against everything sisu does, then if sisu remain owners of the club the Trust will have no role to play in the future.
They have to utilize the art of diplomacy.

 

[ajsccfc]

I can't wait to see what reason he comes up with TO attack THE Sky Blue Trust TOMORROW. Something about UFOs?

 

[Hobo]

Psgm1 I think you are being blinded by your own excitement, please read my previous post around 2.17 and some of the other replies. The FL have always understood the golden share is with Ltd however SISU have put forward a legal argument and as the administrator pointed out it will prolly have to go to court to be decided. It will be company law verses FL rules.

 

[Stafford_SkBlue]

More rubbish on this forum, proves nothing.
You need to read Appleton statement

 

[Hobo]

Can I remind you of something else, the football league stated their understanding was or as far as they were concerned holdings and ltd were Coventry City and to them both were in administration. However google both and look at their status at Companies House Ltd administration Holdings trading. It is not as straight forward as you seem to think.