Wake up supporters - you are being conned! (9 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's a game of politics. ACL are just as guilty of underhanded tactical-warfare. I support SISU's destabilisation of ACL for one reason - it's in the club's best interests to shock these people into cooperation.

This is ALL about the club. Forget SISU.

To shock the Higgs charity, that well known evil corporate entity.

 

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[bigfatronssba]

It's a game of politics. ACL are just as guilty of underhanded tactical-warfare. I support SISU's destabilisation of ACL for one reason - it's in the club's best interests to shock these people into cooperation.

This is ALL about the club. Forget SISU.

What right has sisu, or Ccfc got to take something they haven't paid for? Your basically advocating stealing.

 

[just-here-4-coffee]

The stadium is not exclusively owned by a charity. They have a share.

Them hiding behind a charity, is like hiding behind your geeky friend punching people and expecting not to be punched back.

I'm not advocating any such behaviour. ACL had a responsibility to the club (and it's supporters who do not even realise they are being wronged) to sit down at the table and revisit figures to ensure a long term future for the club (and its home by virtue of the fact that they can only exist in harmony).

 

[covan]

Great post. Good to see that there is a few others being sensible and not just following the idea the trust has came up with. Unfortunately the not one penny more campaign won't harm SISU. They would of worked out the maths before this happened and are only expecting & financially forecasting low turnouts and low income. This will just make them do what they have been doing for the past 8 years which is fund the club for the majority of its outgoings.

SISU inherited a lot of bad things. Bad debt, high bills, low income, a bad tenancy agreement & Kevin Kyle. All of which weren't their fault and they have paid for us to survive for the last 10 years.

At the end of the day if the council hadn't put us in to admin then they wouldn't of started the war (a war they are currently losing) And before anyone questions it. At the start the rent was non negotiable then after SISU made their move. The rent was negotiated that's just one example.

I actually believe that this is still just a part of a game to get ACL to understand the casino doesn't need a garden. Back down now or they ground will be moved. At the moment the council have on their side the sky blues trust, the local paper and a few sheep that are following the trusts every word and they are thriving on it. Imagine if all the fans actually switched and backed the move. We had protests of 'be fair council or we are all off' and then the companies around the Ricoh all emailed in saying they want rent reductions because of the lower footfall that the council has caused. When the council causes lower footfall in the city centre. Some rents are reduced for short periods of time as a result of any distribution of trade. (Source: I own a shop and during renovation of 2 parts of the city my shop received a rent reduction to compensate)

If EVERYONE stood up to them we would be back home, affording the rent, increasing the income by gaining control of the food and be on our way to owning our ground.

Like you 'just here for coffee' I rarely post on here as I read the forum rules on going against the majority so I kids read and occasionally post to save being shot down.

PUSB

 

[ajsccfc]

Part of me genuinely wonders if you are on the pay roll of SISU or you're name is Tim Fisher.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The stadium is not exclusively owned by a charity. They have a share.

Them hiding behind a charity, is like hiding behind your geeky friend punching people and expecting not to be punched back.

I'm not advocating any such behaviour. ACL had a responsibility to the club (and it's supporters who do not even realise they are being wronged) to sit down at the table and revisit figures to ensure a long term future for the club (and its home by virtue of the fact that they can only exist in harmony).

No it's half owned but by driving ACL out of business you are in part wanting the charity to lose millions. If we hadn't sold our stake we would be part of this evil enterprise.

 

[bigfatronssba]

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The stadium is not exclusively owned by a charity. They have a share.</p>
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<p>Them hiding behind a charity, is like hiding behind your geeky friend punching people and expecting not to be punched back.</p>
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<p>I'm not advocating any such behaviour. ACL had a responsibility to the club (and it's supporters who do not even realise they are being wronged) to sit down at the table and revisit figures to ensure a long term future for the club (and its home by virtue of the fact that they can only exist in harmony).

Acl have no such responsibility, they are only responsible for the running of the area. Sisu on the other hand are entirely responsible for ccfc, and if they get themselves into a position that the "evil" council can damage the club then its down to their own incompetence.

 

[Skybluefaz]

was everyone happy this year with the progress under sisu? I sure as hell fucking wasn't. what a bullshit statement.

 

[BrisbaneBronco]

I basically agree with a lot of the OP.
I do not blame SISU for the situation we are in at present, everyone is equally at fault and the previous regimes have a lot to answer
For me I want my football club free of ACL/CCC and SISU.
What SISU are proposing about a new ground makes sense as it would rid us of the ACL/CCC leeches, but unfortunately would still leave us with SISU.
SISU lie thru their teeth, treat fans like shit, and bend every rule in the book. I would not piss on any of them if they were on fire. Sorry, but that's how I feel.
As for fans turning up in thousands to support CCFC at Northampton, what planet are you on?

 

[Bennets Afro]

If anyone other than Sisu owned CCFC then ACL I believe would sell the Ricoh to the club

The fact they haven't is because they don't trust Sisu with it. Why would you sell a business they have built up to someone who has tried to bankrupt them

 

[bigfatronssba]

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was everyone happy this year with the progress under sisu? I sure as hell fecking wasn't. what a bullshit statement.

Of course they were happy. I mean attendances falling by 4k in the last year is a clear indicator of how happy everyone is.

 

[just-here-4-coffee]

No it's half owned but by driving ACL out of business you are in part wanting the charity to lose millions. If we hadn't sold our stake we would be part of this evil enterprise.

So, what you're saying as far as I understand is;

'SISU can make decisions with the best interests of the club's long term survival and be held accountable by all, but a charity that supports a move against this should not be held accountable for it's business decisions because it is a charity'

Charities aren't teddybears you know, It's well publicised that charities aren't always operated in a moral and scrupulous way! Not that i'm saying that about Higgs because in truth I don't know enough and unlike most, don't like to talk about things I don't understand.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

At the end of the day if the council hadn't put us in to admin then they wouldn't of started the war (a war they are currently losing)

For the zillionth time, the council didn't put us into admin. It was Sisu. :facepalm:

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm ticked, but unsurprised by the responses.

Everyone has their right to an opinion, only some people's are in my opinion very clouded.

We were climbing the league. We'd captured decent loan signings. Signed one of the league's top strikers. We'd signed a decent loan LB on a permanent deal. We were progressing in cup competitions (Even though one was a mickey-mouse paint cup).

You can argue till the cows come home, and I will read and digest your opinions.

Fact remains, despite SISUs multitude of failings (which you all seem to fail to note I mentioned in my original post), they are right on the stadium goings-on.

And i'm fractionally better looking than big-Tim, so I must confess, i'm hurt by the accusations.

See who starts the season. If Clarke and baker are gone I expect you to be back on apologising!!

 

[covmark]

Absolute quality!!! Made me laugh

 

[shy_tall_knight]

1 - The former owners of the club Robo & McGin financial negligence selling HR running up huge debts
2- Council & Higgs stepped in to provide the initial funding plus financial clout but mostly the financial gravity to deliver the Tesco funded project. CCFC were incapable both financially and organisationally - at that point definitely the good guys.
3 CCFC weak when negotiating rent and ACL taking advantage using the club to fund their inefficiencies, good guys now taking the pi$$.
4 SISU initially funded the club with a clear strategy but once they had no plan B their poor management such as not negotiating the rent when buying the club, a whole string of clowns Ken Orange, Igne, the Canadian text idea, invisible Joy, poor management appointments started well but showed they were incapable of running a football club, club deteriorated under their ownership
5 Moving the club out of Cov risks destroying the club no respect for the fans or our history motivation is unjustified

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So, what you're saying as far as I understand is;

'SISU can make decisions with the best interests of the club's long term survival and be held accountable by all, but a charity that supports a move against this should not be held accountable for it's business decisions because it is a charity'

Charities aren't teddybears you know, It's well publicised that charities aren't always operated in a moral and scrupulous way! Not that i'm saying that about Higgs because in truth I don't know enough and unlike most, don't like to talk about things I don't understand.

Yes, that is quite obviously what I said. The reality is that the club has nosedived under SISU and this is distinct from ACL. I defend the charity from being part of some conspiracy to ruin the club because over the years its actions show the total opposite. Look objectively at the current state of affairs and you will see the blame for it is lop sided in SISU's favour.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Great post. Good to see that there is a few others being sensible and not just following the idea the trust has came up with. Unfortunately the not one penny more campaign won't harm SISU. They would of worked out the maths before this happened and are only expecting & financially forecasting low turnouts and low income. This will just make them do what they have been doing for the past 8 years which is fund the club for the majority of its outgoings.

SISU inherited a lot of bad things. Bad debt, high bills, low income, a bad tenancy agreement & Kevin Kyle. All of which weren't their fault and they have paid for us to survive for the last 10 years.

At the end of the day if the council hadn't put us in to admin then they wouldn't of started the war (a war they are currently losing) And before anyone questions it. At the start the rent was non negotiable then after SISU made their move. The rent was negotiated that's just one example.

I actually believe that this is still just a part of a game to get ACL to understand the casino doesn't need a garden. Back down now or they ground will be moved. At the moment the council have on their side the sky blues trust, the local paper and a few sheep that are following the trusts every word and they are thriving on it. Imagine if all the fans actually switched and backed the move. We had protests of 'be fair council or we are all off' and then the companies around the Ricoh all emailed in saying they want rent reductions because of the lower footfall that the council has caused. When the council causes lower footfall in the city centre. Some rents are reduced for short periods of time as a result of any distribution of trade. (Source: I own a shop and during renovation of 2 parts of the city my shop received a rent reduction to compensate)

If EVERYONE stood up to them we would be back home, affording the rent, increasing the income by gaining control of the food and be on our way to owning our ground.

Like you 'just here for coffee' I rarely post on here as I read the forum rules on going against the majority so I kids read and occasionally post to save being shot down.

PUSB

They didn't pay anything. Is that the amount of rent you are thinking??

 

[just-here-4-coffee]

See who starts the season. If Clarke and baker are gone I expect you to be back on apologising!!

Provided we are talking about Leon and not Jordan, I will indeed be back here!

Yes, that is quite obviously what I said. The reality is that the club has nosedived under SISU and this is distinct from ACL. I defend the charity from being part of some conspiracy to ruin the club because over the years its actions show the total opposite. Look objectively at the current state of affairs and you will see the blame for it is lop sided in SISU's favour.

I don't disagree with any of what you said. My point is that on the stadium debacle EXCLUSIVELY - SISU are doing precisely what they need to do to make sure the club doesn't go down the plughole. Why is this so hard to absorb?

 

[Grendel]

Our club, or SISU?

The stadium is a community asset and transcends football.

No normal football fan would ever think that. The football club would be all that matters. Without it 99% of the community will ever use it.

It's this pathetic attitude that has helped create the problems.

 

[covan]

They didn't pay anything. Is that the amount of rent you are thinking??

They only stopped paying rent 2/3 years ago. So that would mean that they paid rent from day 1 until a few years ago so what are you on about? You don't seem to know do you, do you work for the trust by any chance ? If not you would for right in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Provided we are talking about Leon and not Jordan, I will indeed be back here!



I don't disagree with any of what you said. My point is that on the stadium debacle EXCLUSIVELY - SISU are doing precisely what they need to do to make sure the club doesn't go down the plughole. Why is this so hard to absorb?

Because I don't think they are. Rather than negotiate for a shareholding in ACL or a better rent deal they went straight down the boycott route. If they seriously have the money to build a new ground and buy the land for it they had enough money to do this. Even now they could go back to ACL and accept the offer of vastly reduced rent and the right to put revenues on their balance sheet.

 

[Chinny_Hill]

I'm ticked, but unsurprised by the responses.

Everyone has their right to an opinion, only some people's are in my opinion very clouded.

We were climbing the league. We'd captured decent loan signings. Signed one of the league's top strikers. We'd signed a decent loan LB on a permanent deal. We were progressing in cup competitions (Even though one was a mickey-mouse paint cup).

You can argue till the cows come home, and I will read and digest your opinions.

Fact remains, despite SISUs multitude of failings (which you all seem to fail to note I mentioned in my original post), they are right on the stadium goings-on.

And i'm fractionally better looking than big-Tim, so I must confess, i'm hurt by the accusations.

I am glad you are "tickled". Just while you chortle, I'll point out that we are in the old division 3. The only cup competition we made progress in was a joke tournament, and we lost 0-3 at home in the semi final to the mighty Crewe Alex. We "captured" loan singings because of the mess we are in and we are losing fans in their thousands year on year because people are giving up on this farce. If Sisu's plan comes to fruition then there will be young parents all over the City who will not get their chance to take their sons and daughters to their first game in the city where they live. No Season tickets are being sold, no replica shirts are being purchased, our team train like a Sunday league team.


You are not helping, and you are far from right.

We are Coventry City FC.

 

[Lightyear]

Ethics of CCC loaning 14m - CCC rubber stamping a secret hedge fund buying the Ricoh for a knock down price would be ethical though? Are you serious?

With falling gates F&B will not flood the coffers.

I believe SISU are now playing towards blaming the fans. They have blamed everyone else!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They only stopped paying rent 2/3 years ago. So that would mean that they paid rent from day 1 until a few years ago so what are you on about? You don't seem to know do you, do you work for the trust by any chance ? If not you would for right in.

Thinking about the future. What would you consider acceptable?!

 

[just-here-4-coffee]

Because I don't think they are. Rather than negotiate for a shareholding in ACL or a better rent deal they went straight down the boycott route. If they seriously have the money to build a new ground and buy the land for it they had enough money to do this. Even now they could go back to ACL and accept the offer of vastly reduced rent and the right to put revenues on their balance sheet.

I'm pretty sure the stadium problems were not 'new news', it's been alluded to, intimated, suggested and explicitly stated by SISU that FFP rules were going to cause problems in this respect. This wasn't a knee-jerk thing, and I can remember a quote in the CET - where ACL stated they would ONLY deal with the administrator and not the club. Hardly conducive to a prompt and effective resolve of this mess. What did they expect - SISU to go crawling back? They won't be held to ransom and I support that.

I am glad you are "tickled". Just while you chortle, I'll point out that we are in the old division 3. The only cup competition we made progress in was a joke tournament, and we lost 0-3 at home in the semi final to the mighty Crewe Alex. We "captured" loan singings because of the mess we are in and we are losing fans in their thousands year on year because people are giving up on this farce. If Sisu's plan comes to fruition then there will be young parents all over the City who will not get their chance to take their sons and daughters to their first game in the city where they live. No Season tickets are being sold, no replica shirts are being purchased, our team train like a Sunday league team.


You are not helping, and you are far from right.

We are Coventry City FC.

I agree with much of what you say, but we've proven on a few occasions, there are plenty of closet fans that come out of hiding when we progress in competitions or in the league table. JPT semi and the Leeds game a few seasons back spring to mind. If SISU can unite the club with a stadium, and improve the team, I have no doubt the fan-base will flourish again.

As for playing outside the city. Again, I agree - I will refer you back to my original post - I don't think SISU intend for this to happen, it's a point-proving exercise with the long-term benefit of THE CLUB in view.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm pretty sure the stadium problems were not 'new news', it's been alluded to, intimated, suggested and explicitly stated by SISU that FFP rules were going to cause problems in this respect. This wasn't a knee-jerk thing, and I can remember a quote in the CET - where ACL stated they would ONLY deal with the administrator and not the club. Hardly conducive to a prompt and effective resolve of this mess. What did they expect - SISU to go crawling back? They won't be held to ransom and I support that.



I agree with much of what you say, but we've proven on a few occasions, there are plenty of closet fans that come out of hiding when we progress in competitions or in the league table. JPT semi and the Leeds game a few seasons back spring to mind. If SISU can unite the club with a stadium, and improve the team, I have no doubt the fan-base will flourish again.

As for playing outside the city. Again, I agree - I will refer you back to my original post - I don't think SISU intend for this to happen, it's a point-proving exercise with the long-term benefit of THE CLUB in view.

Who put the club into administration using a debenture it filed last April? SISU. The reality is that this has only been a concern since they got us relegated and their actions point towards zero co-operation and an attempt to drive ACL into bankruptcy. ACL will only deal with the administrator of Ltd because he is the one legally in charge.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

I am largely a reader of this forum, not a poster (I'm unsure of precisely what my post count is, but it will be low), but I have to make an exception in this case.

I've avoided this forum like the plague now for some time because frankly it's depressing watching the majority of supporters peddle the agenda of the club's landlords and particularly the council who have been heavily involved with the skullduggery surrounding our club, principally because they seem to have you all convinced that their hands are not blood stained, despite the punitive measures they have taken against your football club!

It is no secret that SISU have consistently left us wanting more during their tenure, but yet two facts remain;

1. They have invested a large sum of money in our club (albeit whilst annotating it on the balance sheet as loans).
2. Everybody seemed to be happy with progress this year under SISU until this stadium debacle.

Ultimately, SISU are in the right here, as painful as it might be to admit it. It has been well publicised that there are impending problems for clubs under the 'financial fair play' rules. Predominantly this is very simple, we can only spend what we make in ticket sales/sponsorship etc on sustaining the club and maintaining a competitive playing squad.
At present we make precious little, and consequently, we will really feel the bite when these rules come into force. If you think a ten point deduction is hard to swallow, the consequences of not fitting in with these rules will have our club in a serious nosedive and have us tumbling down the leagues quicker than you can say 'maybe that coffee guy was right'.

Simply put for the primate contingent of this forum; some derp once upon a time made a real balls up when negotiating rent for our stadium and as a result, the cash we get in return for the tickets we sell aren't sufficient to support the club without the owners putting money in - which it is not viable long term for those owners to do because in time they will be prohibited from doing so.
The owners are business people, and bought in with the idea one day of either taking a considerable dividend or planning an exit strategy to sell the club on. This is their right and I support that. We aren't playing subbuteo here, we're playing football manager...

The club had every right to request that the arena bosses revisited the rent agreement. It is in their best interests for the club to prosper! The club and the stadium are supposed to behave like husband and wife. The stadium is cheating on the club at the moment with the council! I'm sure if the club became champions league chasers, then the arena would be looking for a substantial rent increase! This works both ways....

This exercise on SISU's part, is simply to demonstrate to the arena bosses that their arena cannot survive without the club. I support that, and you should too!

If we were smart supporters instead of sheeples, your lean would be on the arena bosses and not the club. You'd all turn out in force at Northampton to support our team at home games and frighten the life out of the arena bosses. Additionally you'd all be emailing the businesses that operate on the arena site encouraging them to demand a rent decrease in line with the footfall reduction as a result of CCFC departing from the site.

Our football club can only survive if we procure the stadium or have a rent agreement that allows us access to a lion share of the money that the supporters invest in watching the team!

The council stifled the club's attempt to get serious with the arena bosses by spending FOURTEEN MILLION POUNDS OF TAXPAYERS MONEY propping up ACL. Surely on this forum there are some people who have suffered from council cuts - be it redundancy, policing deficiencies, or perhaps they turn your streetlights off at night turning your area into a criminals wet dream? How can they spend 14M of your money like that, and nobody raise any objection?

Ultimately, if you were to protest against the council, perhaps their intervention would be punishable. Perhaps they'd have to recover their 14M and ACL would have to remortgage that 14M - Almost impossible with no viable tenants!

Perhaps then the arena will need to be sold to the people who would most benefit from it. Not SISU - your football club!

This is all a big game of smoke and mirrors, and SISU will get their way because they are a bunch of sharks - but the supporters are making it unnecessarily difficult for them - Your allegiance is to the club, not the council - I guarantee most here have been wronged by the council some way, at some time in their lives.

The club, (in my opinion) will unlikely play long-term at Northants. But if we turned out there in force to support our team, instead of these protests of about five people that frankly look pitiful, perhaps we can affect positive change over our clubs future and restore it to former glory.

Does anyone understand how irksome it is, every time our captain posts about tennis/golf/his holiday/his pets it is for you all to turn it into some innuendo filled rant about the club and the owners.

I'm sure you will all have your problems with this post, but I could no longer be silent.

PUSB!

Twitter #ashturnerdotcom

I am afraid Sisi have not put one penny into this club apart from the £1 they paid to buy the shares in CCFC.

The money is not investment but debt owed to Sisu's investors.

The club has not moved forward one but financially since Sisu took over. In fact it has got worse.

Sisu always has an option to buy the Higgs share and never did. That's their fault. Sisu should have renegotiated the rental lease agreement when they bought the club or had plenty of time to do this. Again they didn't.

Sisu's plan has completely backfired and are now pretending to play the wounded animal routine.

Sisu have been nothing but pathetic as owners.

They have failed and the sooner Seppala realises this the better.

They have alienated the customer base which is just marvellous for a consumer product!

 

[SkyblueBazza]

There's a number of holes in your propaganda.
Where does one start?
Sisu cud av negotiated a different rental agreement five years ago but chose not to. That wuz when gates were approx 21,000 and we had players worth selling.
That was a model from which the current buzz word "SUSTAINABILITY" was worth building on.
Unless you start with this recent historical and very relevant perspective nothing you say can have any credibility whatsoever.

Five yrs ago we were not at risk from FFP.

I agree with some of the sentiment from both angles (much better than "sides" don't you think?) but ultimately a football club is under threat of being removed from its fans without a pre-set, pre-agreed plan to return. I even sympathise with the "no pain, no gain" type stance to a degree... But CCFC fans have only had pain for all but a handful of years since (& pre if truth be told) since 1987, & especially in the last 15. Patience has gone & I would not be alone in suggesting its time to try something new...ie a suitably motivated new owner ideally.

 

[BrisbaneBronco]

I'm pretty sure the stadium problems were not 'new news', it's been alluded to, intimated, suggested and explicitly stated by SISU that FFP rules were going to cause problems in this respect. This wasn't a knee-jerk thing, and I can remember a quote in the CET - where ACL stated they would ONLY deal with the administrator and not the club. Hardly conducive to a prompt and effective resolve of this mess. What did they expect - SISU to go crawling back? They won't be held to ransom and I support that.


The club is in admin, so ACL can only negotiate with the administrator

 

[James Smith]

I am largely a reader of this forum, not a poster (I'm unsure of precisely what my post count is, but it will be low), but I have to make an exception in this case.

I've avoided this forum like the plague now for some time because frankly it's depressing watching the majority of supporters peddle the agenda of the club's landlords and particularly the council who have been heavily involved with the skullduggery surrounding our club, principally because they seem to have you all convinced that their hands are not blood stained, despite the punitive measures they have taken against your football club!

It is no secret that SISU have consistently left us wanting more during their tenure, but yet two facts remain;

1. They have invested a large sum of money in our club (albeit whilst annotating it on the balance sheet as loans).

Erm no they’ve loaned us the money which they will (as most lenders do) be demanding back possibly with interest. Investments are more like a gamble, you win some you lose some style things.

2. Everybody seemed to be happy with progress this year under SISU until this stadium debacle.

Er no, people were unhappy well before that. They were unhappy that we got relegated again, that we had a good manager who buggered off to another club etc.

Ultimately, SISU are in the right here, as painful as it might be to admit it. It has been well publicised that there are impending problems for clubs under the 'financial fair play' rules. Predominantly this is very simple, we can only spend what we make in ticket sales/sponsorship etc on sustaining the club and maintaining a competitive playing squad.

No argument there we need to have revenues to prosper under FFP, however SISU have made this very difficult by moving us to Northampton. The cross invoicing of the F&B revenue would have given us how much to spend under FFP had we stayed at the Ricoh? They could have been selling tickets to us by now.

At present we make precious little, and consequently, we will really feel the bite when these rules come into force. If you think a ten point deduction is hard to swallow, the consequences of not fitting in with these rules will have our club in a serious nosedive and have us tumbling down the leagues quicker than you can say 'maybe that coffee guy was right'.

At present you can’t even buy a ticket (let alone a season ticket) and the club shop is run out of a barrow at Tesco that’s one of the reasons we make precious little. What tumbling down faster than SISU have managed to get us going? Maybe I should start drinking coffee.

Simply put for the primate contingent of this forum; some derp once upon a time made a real balls up when negotiating rent for our stadium and as a result, the cash we get in return for the tickets we sell aren't sufficient to support the club without the owners putting money in - which it is not viable long term for those owners to do because in time they will be prohibited from doing so.

Yeah and that’s why owning the long lease on the Ricoh is so vital to the future of the club, so we can get revenue 365 days a year not just during the season. Shame SISU screwed that up by their brilliant strategy of negotiations. The fact that the Higgs are still willing to sell to them is baffling in the extreme.

The owners are business people, and bought in with the idea one day of either taking a considerable dividend or planning an exit strategy to sell the club on. This is their right and I support that. We aren't playing subbuteo here, we're playing football manager...

Well business people normally file accounts on time and don’t describe them as a mess in front of their customers. You say bought in, it was my understanding (from the post his son made) that Sir Higgs who owned a load of the shares wrote off the money he’d spent buying them when SISU took over. No idea about Geoffrey Robinson but together didn’t they own about 70 something % of the club and weren’t all the shareholders asked to hand over their shares for nowt

The club had every right to request that the arena bosses revisited the rent agreement. It is in their best interests for the club to prosper! The club and the stadium are supposed to behave like husband and wife. The stadium is cheating on the club at the moment with the council! I'm sure if the club became champions league chasers, then the arena would be looking for a substantial rent increase! This works both ways....

Yes they had every right, so why didn’t they request a rent review at any time in the past? It should have been obvious to them from day one that the rent was too high, and that they needed to talk to ACL. The previous board apparently did (and I don’t think got anywhere) but as far as I know SISU didn’t until last year.

This exercise on SISU's part, is simply to demonstrate to the arena bosses that their arena cannot survive without the club. I support that, and you should too!

And boy would SISU look dumb if ACL actually did manage to survive without the club. Not saying that they can (although they can file accounts on time) just that if they could SISU wouldn’t look like the sharpest tools in the box (again).

If we were smart supporters instead of sheeples, your lean would be on the arena bosses and not the club. You'd all turn out in force at Northampton to support our team at home games and frighten the life out of the arena bosses. Additionally you'd all be emailing the businesses that operate on the arena site encouraging them to demand a rent decrease in line with the footfall reduction as a result of CCFC departing from the site.

So the supporters should all travel an extra unnecessary distance for home matches because of the brilliant decisions made by SISU? Oh and what other businesses operate on the Arena site that we can email, I thought it was all ACL?

Our football club can only survive if we procure the stadium or have a rent agreement that allows us access to a lion share of the money that the supporters invest in watching the team!

We had the chance to get the long lease on the Ricoh and SISU screwed it up spectacularly .

The council stifled the club's attempt to get serious with the arena bosses by spending FOURTEEN MILLION POUNDS OF TAXPAYERS MONEY propping up ACL. Surely on this forum there are some people who have suffered from council cuts - be it redundancy, policing deficiencies, or perhaps they turn your streetlights off at night turning your area into a criminals wet dream? How can they spend 14M of your money like that, and nobody raise any objection?

What, we should be objecting because the council are supporting a community asset, that they have invested in? And if that loan actually makes the council money you’d object to that too?

Ultimately, if you were to protest against the council, perhaps their intervention would be punishable. Perhaps they'd have to recover their 14M and ACL would have to remortgage that 14M - Almost impossible with no viable tenants!

So you support the boycotting of legally agreed rent to push another business into administration? The fact that the loan has made it possible to offer the club lower rent is not a good thing and we should as supporters object to this lower rent offer? If it had been me I’d have been hard nosed about it and kicked the tenants out of my property if they missed two rent payments. In fact I think in the contract on my flat that is exactly what will happen if the tenants do stop paying. ACL haven’t done that and have made concessions and lower rent offers.

Perhaps then the arena will need to be sold to the people who would most benefit from it. Not SISU - your football club!

I have no objection to the football club owning the long lease of the Ricoh/owning ACL. I object in the strongest possible terms to SISU being involved in any of that. As soon as SISU are no longer owning the club I’m sure the council would be delighted to talk to the new owners, if they havemn’t already sold their share to someone else like PH4

This is all a big game of smoke and mirrors, and SISU will get their way because they are a bunch of sharks - but the supporters are making it unnecessarily difficult for them - Your allegiance is to the club, not the council - I guarantee most here have been wronged by the council some way, at some time in their lives.

I don’t like sharks, they tend to try and eat you and I’ll fight tooth and nail to stop SISU get their way after the way they have treated our club.

The club, (in my opinion) will unlikely play long-term at Northants. But if we turned out there in force to support our team, instead of these protests of about five people that frankly look pitiful, perhaps we can affect positive change over our clubs future and restore it to former glory.

I support the team, not SISU or ACL I support the team. I have nothing against ACL and everything against SISU.

Does anyone understand how irksome it is, every time our captain posts about tennis/golf/his holiday/his pets it is for you all to turn it into some innuendo filled rant about the club and the owners.

I'm sure you will all have your problems with this post, but I could no longer be silent.

PUSB!

I’m not ranting about the team just the owners of our Club.

 

[RFC]

I almost totally agree with you 'just-here-4-coffee', we all need to get behind the Team, Players & Manager and more importantly OUR Club and not focus on the distraction of COVENTRY CITY COUNCIL, ACL & SISU.
The Club ownership is a totally distracting side-issue IMHO! Unfortunately Supporters don't get to choose who the owners are, just ask Manchester United fans what their opinion is of 'The Glaziers' or Blackburn Robers about 'The Venky's'!!!!!
We should ALL put the differences expressed. On this forum behind us and ensure our first HOME game at Northampton is a SELL-OUT - PUSB!

 

[James Smith]

I almost totally agree with you 'just-here-4-coffee', we all need to get behind the Team, Players & Manager and more importantly OUR Club and not focus on the distraction of COVENTRY CITY COUNCIL, ACL & SISU.
The Club ownership is a totally distracting side-issue IMHO! Unfortunately Supporters don't get to choose who the owners are, just ask Manchester United fans what their opinion is of 'The Glaziers' or Blackburn Robers about 'The Venky's'!!!!!
We should ALL put the differences expressed. On this forum behind us and ensure our first HOME game at Northampton is a SELL-OUT - PUSB!

It's not a HOME game if it's in Northampton.

 

[James Smith]

If they hadn't chalked it up as a loan then they wouldn't be the main creditor in this administration jazz - and we'd be completely at the mercy of ACL.

They're writing a ton of it off under admin recovery proposals, so actually, I think my post was valid sir. They aren't looking to bleed the club, only to retain control and recover some of the money they've put in. Why shouldn't they, they aren't a charity?

How do we know they're writing off a ton of money, I haven't seen the admin recovery proposals, has anyone else on here?

 

[bigfatronssba]

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I almost totally agree with you 'just-here-4-coffee', we all need to get behind the Team, Players &amp; Manager and more importantly OUR Club and not focus on the distraction of COVENTRY CITY COUNCIL, ACL &amp; SISU.</p>
<p>The Club ownership is a totally distracting side-issue IMHO! Unfortunately Supporters don't get to choose who the owners are, just ask Manchester United fans what their opinion is of 'The Glaziers' or Blackburn Robers about 'The Venky's'!!!!!</p>
<p>We should ALL put the differences expressed. On this forum behind us and ensure our first HOME game at Northampton is a SELL-OUT - PUSB!

The day the club leaves Coventry is the day it dies. Fortunately most other fans feel this way also and we will be the ones that rid this cancer from our club.