Recent comments - 'Coffee's' post (2 Viewers)

[Nonleagueherewecome]

And don't forget he was against SISU from the beginning that's worth a mention twice a week

Shit, hold the front page, I'd never heard that?!?!?

 

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[bigfatronssba]

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Yep maybe they are as above.</p>
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<p>Maybe they are one existing poster from here with multime access to computers at work in different locations on different servers and a different one at home who uses different identities.</p>
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<p>Or maybe they are SISU related ( who would blame them)</p>
<p>However if their argument was a good one they would be able to say they are SISU. </p>
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<p>I don't really care which it is </p>
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<p>However, I think rather than shout them down saying SISU employee. Debate their points. </p>
<p>Get into the nitty gritty of the argument.</p>
<p>Building a new stadium is a financial farce. </p>
<p>Having the concept discussed in here is a good thing.

Exactly, dont get in to name calling, just debate your points.

Those who still defend the owners are entitled to their view, but I know their argument is weak and can be shown up as that.

 

[dongonzalos]

Where(and when) will these 8 extra concerts happen?

As Fernando said, there are only a certain amount of people touring each year who could justify a 32,000 capacity venue.

They have only managed two this year, when there are actually a few about on the circuit, but for some reason they have chosen to play elsewhere(Robbie Williams and Bon Jovi to name but two).

You just need to get the equivalent of 20k people to the Ricoh every month in what ever for or guise from August to April

To me in my humble opinion with those facilities it does not sound impossible even if it is 5 k a week in whatever enterprise.

 

[Nick]

Seeing it from both sides is fine...I'm sure you can understand Apartheid and The Moors Murderers a lot more if you try and see things from the perpetrators perspective. They were still wrong, though...

As was everybody who was praising how good Thorn was etc....

 

[lordsummerisle]

Not everyone though, eh. Sorry, I have to point that out every time you make this point. Which is at least once a week!

As for the second point...

Hence the word "most" used rather than everyone.

 

[Gint11]

They are all as bad as each other. SISU, ACL, Council etc etc. Equal blame as far as Im concerned. We all keep going over old ground. I dont care whos fault it is anymore, I just want it sorted.

 

[italiahorse]

All of a sudden there seems to be a lot of new posters with a pro Sisu agenda. Now I'm not saying they are plants to try and convince the majority that what Sisu are planning is a good thing. I will let others suggest that but I completely disagree with this post and also that coffee clown too.
What all these new posters seem to forget is that Sisu agreed a new, much better, rent deal but then reneged the offer. They then threatened to liquidate the club which forced ACL's hand. Despite all of this ACL NEVER evicted us when well within their rights to do so.
Now we are moving to a 7, 600 capacity shed and some people think this is the right course of action, it astounds me that some people will back these clowns to the hilt. I'll get called out on this but those people can't be real supporters.

They want to watch football not go shopping because they think there is nothing else to do for a few weeks on a "Sunday afternoon".
They can't see that any support they give SISU will give them the green light for their stadium plan. Even though they have not seen any plans or don't know what size it will be.
They are so short sighted that they can't see that just holding on a few weeks will stop this plan.
They think they need to support the players even though they know that the players all want to play at the Ricoh.
They will support the team playing at "home" in Northampton but can't go to away games.
They think that they need to financially support the team by attending "home" games even though SISU can base there wage bill on last seasons income and have said they will bankroll the club for 3 years.
They think that ACL have driven the club out with excessive rent charges although playing at the new stadium with reduced capacity is worse than playing at the Ricoh.


Some people :facepalm:

 

[italiahorse]

They are all as bad as each other. SISU, ACL, Council etc etc. Equal blame as far as Im concerned. We all keep going over old ground. I dont care whos fault it is anymore, I just want it sorted.

The trouble is I don't think SISU want to discuss anything other than getting the Ricoh and its income streams at a fraction of it's market value.

 

[Nick]

They want to watch football not go shopping because they think there is nothing else to do for a few weeks on a "Sunday afternoon".
They can't see that any support they give SISU will give them the green light for their stadium plan. Even though they have not seen any plans or don't know what size it will be.
They are so short sighted that they can't see that just holding on a few weeks will stop this plan.
They think they need to support the players even though they know that the players all want to play at the Ricoh.
They will support the team playing at "home" in Northampton but can't go to away games.
They think that they need to financially support the team by attending "home" games even though SISU can base there wage bill on last seasons income and have said they will bankroll the club for 3 years.
They think that ACL have driven the club out with excessive rent charges although playing at the new stadium with reduced capacity is worse than playing at the Ricoh.


Some people :facepalm:

What absolute wankers these football fans who just want to go and watch football

 

[_brian_]

What absolute wankers these football fans who just want to go and watch football

And herein lies the problem! Comments like that! Makes my blood boil!!!

 

[Nick]

And herein lies the problem! Comments like that! Makes my blood boil!!!

I am fuming, I just don't understand why these football fans would want to watch football. Why aren't they standing around chanting and protesting instead? The absolute swines!

 

[_brian_]

I am fuming, I just don't understand why these football fans would want to watch football. Why aren't they standing around chanting and protesting instead? The absolute swines!

I give up!!!

 

[Yorkshire SB]

It is no coincidence that we are getting a load of new posters on this site (with long winded defences of SISU) as it becomes increasingly obvious that the failed SISU plan to stress ACL, pick up the stadium on the cheap and then charge CCFC for use (no doubt on worse terms than currently/previously offered by ACL) has been exposed and their bluff called. When will some of you idiots realise that we all want CCFC to own the ground and get match day revenues to make the club sustainable and to move back up the leagues where we belong BUT we do not believe that SISU are responsible owners who have CCFC's interests at heart - they just want the stadium and always have. Some of you are so blind (or are SISU stooges) that you would give SISU everything they wanted - many of us know that this would be a disaster and the final nail in the coffin for CCFC. Once these feckers go then I will join with you to call for CCFC to own at least half the ground and match day revenues - but not with these dicks in charge!!

SISU own Coventry City Football Club, they are inherently linked with us. If they own the stadium, then we own the stadium. If SISU owned half the stadium we would not pay rent, it'd be like transferring £100 from your savings account to your current account. Were they to ever sell the club, they would sell the club and the stadium, or they would not be able to sell it. I don't like how they've ran our club, mistakes have definitely been made, and the communication with the fans has been particularly pitiful. I would much rather that we were owned by someone who pumped money endlessly into the club or even shown as ounce of care and respect towards the fans, but we're not. Instead we're owned by a hedge fund company that want to minimise their losses.

 

[blueflint]

Due to becoming generally disenchanted with all things Coventry City, I have avoided this forum for a good few months.

However, I have just read the entire thread created by the user I shall name, 'Coffee', and thought I could review it's contents for my own understanding and possibly other's.
Sidenote - it was disappointing to see Coffee ridiculed in an often petty, childish manner for hosting an opinion that differed to the majority.

First of all, SISU inherited (saved us from Admin at the final hour) a mess. The club was hemorrhaging money (rent, players wages). I remember hearing that for us to break-even we would have to have an average attendance of around 23k a week, or something like that. Clearly they have supported the losses throughout the years, but this has affected how much money they are able to invest into the side, both regarding transfers and wages. This lack of investment has been reflected in our flailing ambition, league performance and eventual relegation.

Evidently the rent situation, prior to the fall out, was generous towards ACL. Consequently their lack of cooperation when negotiating a lower rent agreement is unsurprising. I read a lot of comments which questioned why SISU were not agreeing a lower rent agreement or continuing to seek to purchase half of the stadium. This is for me where the issue lies. SISU are a company built upon investment, who will have to justify major business decisions to their investors. I believe SISU genuinely began the rent talks with the intention of negotiating a deal to purchase the stadium. They have been at this club long enough to know what they need to make this club sustainable and ultimately profitable. After numerous negotiations it is clear that ACL are not willing to sell the stadium at an acceptable price, or one that is a rationale economic decision for SISU, and SISU do not want to continue renting the stadium as this will not generate the capital they need.

Obviously there isn't a single fan that wants to see the club playing outside of the city. However, the business relationship between ACL and SISU is beyond reconciliation. SISU cannot continue to wait around paying rent on a stadium that will never be theirs, their investors will not allow it. Nor will ACL allow SISU to continue playing at the ricoh whilst they build a new stadium for the club.

Therefore the alternative is to play at another ground whilst a ground is built that SISU will own. By this method there will be a plan in place for SISU to recover their lost capital, which will remain unachievable by staying at the ricoh.

The issues are whether SISU are acting on behalf of their best interests or the club's, and will they own the new stadium or will the Club. Whilst SISU own us I think we have to accept that this is as close as we will get to owning our own stadium, and that their best interests are somewhat inherently linked to our own.

I may be completely off the money here and appear a bit ignorant to the bigger picture, as I haven't followed this forum much over the previous weeks, but the way I see it whilst SISU own us, we will not play at the ricoh. If we could change owners then great, we'd be back at the ricoh, paying over the odds for ACL's share in the ground and on our way back to the Championship in a sustainable situation, but we're not. SISU want a return on their investment and therefore will move the club outside of Coventry until the new stadium is built. I believe this will happen regardless of where 7 thousands fans turn up at Sixfields or 1 thousand.

hell where have you been for weeks this has been done to death SISU could of paid for the revenue streams they didn't they could of made a realistic offer on the stadium they didn't so how is ACL to blame