No accounting for the scabs!! (10 Viewers)

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

No we are CCFC, not sure what you get from calling us another name that only exists in your mind.

Shouldn't that be PUNSBs?

 

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[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

I am sure your 'support' will not be missed.

To be honest, the players don't really give a shit so all this do it for the lads is bollocks. It's just football and a job to them and they will move on.

At least if you do go to watch you have the advantage of getting used to non league crowds two seasons early. Enjoy yourself.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Shouldn't that be PUNSBs?

People who post comments like this really need to get a grip in life, everyone will do there own thing with regards to supporting the club in Northampton and whether or not you agree with it, there is no reason why that should ridiculed, I don't agree with the birth of the baby Jesus but you don't see me shooting people who do.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sorry but it makes me feel sick !!!
Claiming liquidation is the reason to justify following the team to suxfields !!!
If you want to follow the team in northampton just do it. I haven't problem with anyone else's view on this matter. But don't spout liquidation bullshit as the reason for going !!!!!!!!!!!

Who said I was justifying it?

I won't be going until I see something to believe any 'plans' are more than mere talk, and to me that'll be bricks going up on a site. Arena 2000 taught me not to be impressed by pretty pictures.

However if the club dies as a result of me not giving them money it will be, to an extent, my responsibility.

I'm aware of that, I'm not denying that possibility.

Therefore if others are not ready to take that responsibility, I for one will not spend my time comning up with idiot comments, lots of CAPITALS, incendiary words, mindless abuse, and lots of exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

No I said 3/5 years - and lets face it, you do not have anymore insight into what is happening behind the scenes than I, I can only comment on what I know or have been told, and at this moment in time we have been told they (SISU) are looking to build another ground, I personally don't want this to happen as I like the Ricoh, but I suppose until I win the euro millions I have to sit and see how it all plays out, but I will continue to support my team, you can do what you like its a free country and I will not chastise anyone that decides to stay away, all I ask that that am allowed to do the same...I will be marching on Saturday, with my 5 year old son, I will also be taking him to Northampton.

You honestly think it might only be 3 years? They haven't even bought any land to build their new shed yet.

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

Well fair play to you, and your decision, again it is a free country and I respect your choice. it a shame that you have chosen to litter your valid response with insults...oh and on the lads not giving shit - does that extend to the players that are from Coventry?

I think it is an easy way out to go and watch them and then say you're not in any way supporting SISU, you are doing exactly that by giving them your pennies.

The line about "I'm supporting the lads in the Sky Blue shirt" is complete bollocks because they don't give a shit about us as long as they get paid. The only player who has spoke out about the move being wrong is Baker and he's probably off to Forest anyway!

I'm totally gutted about not going to "Home" games next season and I won't forget the look on my 7 year old lad's face when I told him we wouldn't be going as well.

The people who will be attending are just Fisher's sheep and are just prolonging the agony, if they can't see this then they are beyond reason.

We are "Coventry" City Football Club, the clue is in the fookin title!

 

[italiahorse]

Liquidation means they just sell the assets they have for what they are worth. They can,t liquidate whilst in administration as that's why ACL attempted to put them there to prevent it.

I would say that SISU would be pretty selfish to liquidate the club rather than let someone else have a go.

The fact we are even discussing they might means that SISU are a cancer to the club that needs to go.

 

[_brian_]

Who said I was justifying it?

I won't be going until I see something to believe any 'plans' are more than mere talk, and to me that'll be bricks going up on a site. Arena 2000 taught me not to be impressed by pretty pictures.

However if the club dies as a result of me not giving them money it will be, to an extent, my responsibility.

I'm aware of that, I'm not denying that possibility.

Therefore if others are not ready to take that responsibility, I for one will not spend my time comning up with idiot comments, lots of CAPITALS, incendiary words, mindless abuse, and lots of exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Types the man (or woman) who's just filled their post with exclamation marks! Alanis Morrisette* would have a field day, don't you think?!?!

(*Or Alan Morris, pre-op, if you believe my rumour! LOL!)

 

[Covkid1968#]

No we are CCFC, not sure what you get from calling us another name that only exists in your mind.

But its not Coventry anymore is it old lad......the link with the City is broken, they are no longer representing the City of Coventry are they? All it is now is a football team playing in Northampton, and they dont deserve to represent my City and nor do I want them to. I cant be arsed with football generally, but if a team is representing my City playing the game then I love it.....this Northampton outfit are just a L1 average team from somebody elses town........and that's all they are to me and a growing number of others.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Types the man (or woman) who's just filled their post with exclamation marks! Alanis Morrisette* would have a field day, don't you think?!?!

She would _brain_, she would.

Question is, field in which town?

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

The fact that a return to Coventry would make people appreciate the club's existence, and gates would bounce.

You could be right, but I'm not sure.

If we're away for say 5 years (I doubt that anyone believes we'd be in a new ground in 3) there will be many people who will have simply lost the "Saturday football habit". In addition there will be a large number of youngsters who will have missed out on going to games and "getting the bug".

Add to that the impact of FFP on our drastically reduced revenues and there has to be a significant chance that when (if?) we return, we'll be in a lower league than we currently are.

So the alternative view is that we return as a League Two (maybe even Conference) club, with a withered core support.

Just another reason why (in my view) this whole "move to Northampton" plan is based on the economics of fairyland.

 

[Otis]

No, there's the option of the death of the club.

But as has been argued, moving away and staying away would bring about the death of the club.

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[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

Otis - I view you as a rational poster/thinker from the posts I have read of yours on this site, and all your points below are valid ones and I do not necessarily disagree, however, if we do not support the team this will decimate the already very low income the team has, it will surely be the end for CCFC. I don't want to try and convince anyone on here to go to Northampton, I until last week was not going myself, but have had a change of heart - I still want SISU out, I still want to play at The Ricoh, I will be there hopefully with thousands of other CCFC fans this Saturday for the march - I am hoping that we get out of admin, have a good start and maybe, just maybe someone comes along a buys us as a going concern with the good will of the fans, if we only get 1000 at Northampton will this entice any buyers?? I might be dreaming, my glass is half full 99% of the time, some might say I am gullible or foolish...but it is how I have rationalized, to my self.

Wish I could believe that.

The facts are at the moment though;

We are moving away.

We have no land secured to build a new ground.

We have no idea how long it is going to plan, design and build a new stadium.

We have no idea if the planning application would be approved.

We have no idea whether resident objection would prevent any new stadium from ever being built.

We have no idea if they can raise the money to build a new stadium.



What happens if we move away and say no planning permission is forthcoming, or they cannot raise the money?

Then what?

We are back to the fact that we will have been playing in Northampton for 3 years and have nowhere else to go under these owners.

What happens then?

Only options then for Sisu is to sell up (no-one will pay what they are asking), or they stay where they are.

It will of course be described as being temporary, but at what point does it become permanent? If we are still there after 7 years that would seem pretty permanent would it not?


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[McLovin87]

Well fair play to you, and your decision, again it is a free country and I respect your choice. it a shame that you have chosen to litter your valid response with insults...oh and on the lads not giving shit - does that extend to the players that are from Coventry?

I haven't heard any Coventry born players say they are against the move, so that's what I've based my opinion on, I may be wrong and something might be on Twitter.

That post is completely toned down to the way I'm feeling inside and I wouldn't say Fisher's sheep is too much of an insult, that is a fact my friend, Fisher wants people to follow him and those who do, are dancing to his tune.

I'm assuming you will be heading to Sixfields next season, although you are entitled to your own choice, it is the easy way out as you are not sacrificing anything while others have to reluctantly boycott the home games for the greater good.

What reason would you give my lad as to why you will be attending games and we won't?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I for one want to watch CCFC thought I would for the rest of my life but looks like that is over.
Want to go to Northampton to watch My team but they don't belong there and like the rest of them just want our money have no love for my beloved Sky Blues.

For that reason alone I cannot go to watch them play there

I for one don't agree with this Bollocks coming from the club we cant talk to them they wont talk to us its their fault its our fault its someone else s fault. At the end of the day don't agree with some posters on here but would have no problem with talking to them as we have the love of CCFC in common.....

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

OK - can you answer this hypothetical question for me.

Northampton decide today due to the possibility of legal action from ACL that they no longer want CCFC as tenants...Where do we play? with less than 4 weeks away to the first game of the season, It is clear from SISU/Otium (owners) that The Ricoh will never be an option, so do we forfeit all our games this season get dumped out of the league, is that what you and others on here want?

The time to support the team is now - and we can deal with all the other shit as we go through the season.

But its not Coventry anymore is it old lad......the link with the City is broken, they are no longer representing the City of Coventry are they? All it is now is a football team playing in Northampton, and they dont deserve to represent my City and nor do I want them to. I cant be arsed with football generally, but if a team is representing my City playing the game then I love it.....this Northampton outfit are just a L1 average team from somebody elses town........and that's all they are to me and a growing number of others.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You could be right, but I'm not sure.

If we're away for say 5 years (I doubt that anyone believes we'd be in a new ground in 3) there will be many people who will have simply lost the "Saturday football habit". In addition there will be a large number of youngsters who will have missed out on going to games and "getting the bug".

Add to that the impact of FFP on our drastically reduced revenues and there has to be a significant chance that when (if?) we return, we'll be in a lower league than we currently are.

So the alternative view is that we return as a League Two (maybe even Conference) club, with a withered core support.

Just another reason why (in my view) this whole "move to Northampton" plan is based on the economics of fairyland.

i think it's safe to say gates would bounce if we came back. It can be used to capture the imagination of fans, as Brighton have done with their new ground.

However, I'd agree that the concern about our owners wanting to fund, and being prepared to fund the club in the meantime are very real.

Hence the move back or bust. There's nowhere else other than Coventry you would move a club to, as there's nowhere else to have such a large populace, with so little competition for fans.

The concern shouldn't be about franchising, the concern should be whether the club comes through this game.

So the choice to me is stark. Deprive the club of cash by not going, as the club's death has been coming for a number of years so you may as well switch off the life support now as any time, or give the club some cash, keep it alive long enough to hope for the miracle cure.

Neither approach is 'wrong' however, so all this nonsense about scabs and people contributing to the death of the club by going to Northampton is emotive bollocks, any more than it would be equally stupid to jump up and down and scream about people not being proper fans for not going.

Just as it would be equally stupid to have a go at the likes of Ann Lucas for not going out of principle, of course...

 

[valiant15]

Just liquidate it ffs.

 

[Jack Griffin]

As you can see from the heated debate on this thread, the fans care & are uncertain about the best thing to do..

However Joy Sepalla doesn't give a fuck about you or the club and will destroy anything and anyone to get her way.. I don't think someone like that is a suitable person to be custodian of the club.

 

[FRY-CCFC]

What i don't get is why they don't just go to away games:

Atmospheres better
Not contributing to sisu fc
Some grounds are around the same distance away

So when you turn up and there is around 1000 cov fans there, you will all just look like massive nobs

ointlaugh:

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

So you comment about them not giving a shit is a guess at best - calling me or any CCFC supporter a sheep is meant to be derogatory, so I take that as an insult - I can only thank you for toning it down for me. I have never watched Tim Fisher play football, is he any good? I will be watching following my team on Saturdays not Tim Fisher. I am a good dancer thou so ill look forward to that bit.

Easy way out....errrm not sure about that one, I'm going to take a risk here as I have said in previous posts I am not here to convince anyone to go or stay away, but surely going and putting up with flak from our own supporters plus the time and financial investment is not the easy way out - sitting at home listening to CWR is a lot easier.

It is not for me to give any reason to your son, its your choice as it is mine to attend, if you vervantly stand by the reasons for not going then you have nothing to explain to him.

I haven't heard any Coventry born players say they are against the move, so that's what I've based my opinion on, I may be wrong and something might be on Twitter.

That post is completely toned down to the way I'm feeling inside and I wouldn't say Fisher's sheep is too much of an insult, that is a fact my friend, Fisher wants people to follow him and those who do, are dancing to his tune.

I'm assuming you will be heading to Sixfields next season, although you are entitled to your own choice, it is the easy way out as you are not sacrificing anything while others have to reluctantly boycott the home games for the greater good.

What reason would you give my lad as to why you will be attending games and we won't?

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

i think it's safe to say gates would bounce if we came back. It can be used to capture the imagination of fans, as Brighton have done with their new ground.

However, I'd agree that the concern about our owners wanting to fund, and being prepared to fund the club in the meantime are very real.

Hence the move back or bust. There's nowhere else other than Coventry you would move a club to, as there's nowhere else to have such a large populace, with so little competition for fans.

The concern shouldn't be about franchising, the concern should be whether the club comes through this game.

So the choice to me is stark. Deprive the club of cash by not going, as the club's death has been coming for a number of years so you may as well switch off the life support now as any time, or give the club some cash, keep it alive long enough to hope for the miracle cure.

Neither approach is 'wrong' however, so all this nonsense about scabs and people contributing to the death of the club by going to Northampton is emotive bollocks, any more than it would be equally stupid to jump up and down and scream about people not being proper fans for not going.

Just as it would be equally stupid to have a go at the likes of Ann Lucas for not going out of principle, of course...

I think that we agree that there would be a "bounce" if we came back, I suppose what I was questioning was how significant the bounce would be and how low the starting point would be. To (hopefully) exaggerate the point, a bounce of 1,000 from a starting point of 500 wouldn't leave us in a very good place!

In my view, the purpose of NOPM isn't to "switch off the life support", but is to persuade SISU that this (in my view) nonsensical plan is going to cost them significantly more than they have budgeted , that they are not at "the bottom" of TF's "business cycle" and that the only logical course is to get out now.

I won't be going to Sixfields (even if we draw Man Utd in the Cup....) and I hope that other people will take the same view, but I completely agree that comments about "scabs" etc (obviously except for Brian's) are unhelpful and probably counter-productive.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

OK - can you answer this hypothetical question for me.

Northampton decide today due to the possibility of legal action from ACL that they no longer want CCFC as tenants...Where do we play?

The Ricoh-the offer is on the table from ACL and we can play there for free.
SISU would have no choice but to eat humble pie, and a f*/ing large slice too, as Appleton would have to do a deal with ACL

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

I will be going to home and away games.

What i don't get is why they don't just go to away games:

Atmospheres better
Not contributing to sisu fc
Some grounds are around the same distance away

So when you turn up and there is around 1000 cov fans there, you will all just look like massive nobs

ointlaugh:

 

[McLovin87]

You'll be dancing with the Devil!

 

[valiant15]

I will be going to home and away games.

There are no home games.

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

Rent free whilst in admin, SISU and ACL will not do business together - that dream is over while the current management team from both sides are in place. there is also a judicial review pending (September) if SISU decided to deal with ACL this would surely undermine their claim of state aid - so its a non starter IMO. so where are we going to play?

The Ricoh-the offer is on the table from ACL and we can play there for free.
SISU would have no choice but to eat humble pie, and a f*/ing large slice too, as Appleton would have to do a deal with ACL

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Easy way out....errrm not sure about that one, I'm going to take a risk here as I have said in previous posts I am not here to convince anyone to go or stay away, but surely going and putting up with flak from our own supporters plus the time and financial investment is not the easy way out - sitting at home listening to CWR is a lot easier.

Everyone has to make their own decision as they see fit - I would however query your comment that the easier option is sitting at home listening to the radio.

Having been going to games since the late '60's, I'm going to find that very hard indeed.

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

Dancing in the moonlight, if we start winning.

You'll be dancing with the Devil!

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

We will, playing our home games at Sixfields.

There are no home games.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and that the only logical course is to get out now.

The problem is, their getting out could well involve liquidation.

Their past track record in similar situations says liquidation is the step if they fail to get what they want (whatever that is!);

The wider consequences for any other investments they have says that liquidation would be the preferred option if they don't get what they want. Negotiating positions only work if the threat is real.

From their POV the bigger picture requires risk of a loss to gain profits, and that also includes what happens to our club once they've decided they've exhausted all avenues.

Now, as I said above, ever since the dark, tedious days of McGinnity's unofficial administration, this club has been cancer-ridden, hopeless and staggering around like a drunken loon stripping at kareoke. Liquidation might be a good thing.

For those who do feel that (like me), there's an obvious option. For those who have had enough, there's a natural option to take.

All I ask is the potential consequences are thought through. If it's a risk people think worth taking, then they should of course do what they think is right. As I said, the burden of proof is on them to show they will actually build a stadium, not for me to take it on trust, so I'm not going. Plus it's just not fun, and supporting a team's supposed to be fun in some sense, even if they lose a lot!

And whatever happens, if the club comes back we need that bounce to be as big as possible, if the club dies we need its replacement to have the best chance of success possible... and both those options are more likely if we haven't backed one side or another into a corner.

 

[sotv1987]

No accounting for the scabs but the vast majority of decent CCFC AND Coventry City people should (and will) have nothing to do with the SISU FC Northampton scum. This is not just a battle for a football club, this is a battle for our City and the future of football itself.

First they came for Wimbledon, but I did not speak out because I was not in the crazy gang.

Then they came for Leeds and too be honest we didn't give a shit - well it is Leeds.

But then they came for the mighty Sky Blues and some of us took it lying down but the majority got off their knees and fought, fought, fought.

Fight, fight wherever you may be we are the the boys from Coventry .......

My friend, you talk utter nonsence.

The only winners after reading the rest of this thread are SISU, each fan has the right to chooes what to do, without predudice, by going, you are not killing the club, but not going, you are not killing the club, the only people killing our club is SISU, ACL, CCC, fucking end of!!!!

The old saying "divide and conquer springs to mind here, and SISU seem to be doing a pretty good job of it, regardless of your choice to attend home games or not, we must stick together as Coventry supporters and be proud of that!!! and not criticise at every given opportunity because it doesn't suit your opinions!!

Just for the record, i will not be attending home game at NTFC, away game only for me, but will not knock anyone who choses to! PSB

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Rent free whilst in admin, SISU and ACL will not do business together - that dream is over while the current management team from both sides are in place. there is also a judicial review pending (September) if SISU decided to deal with ACL this would surely undermine their claim of state aid - so its a non starter IMO. so where are we going to play?

IMHO we still will be in administration, and as such SISU will have no say in the matter.
Appleton will be forced to do a deal with ACL.

 

[McLovin87]

Dancing in the moonlight, if we start winning.

The worst thing you could do is start rubbing people's noses in it if they do start winning and you are there watching it, would show a distinct lack of class.

Like the previous poster, there is no way listening to CWR is the easy option, I used to smoke and can only compare giving up fags to giving up City "home" games.

I've been supporting them for 35 years so it will not be easy, with the money saved I hope to get to a few more away games.

 

[Skybluerevolution (Pt2)]

It will be hard for you as it is for me, I was merely responding to comments made that I was taking the easy way out, I don't believe it is for the reasons I have given, and I agree that it will be hard for many many fans to stay away...but because mine is not the popular view does no make it any more easier...no offence meant.

Everyone has to make their own decision as they see fit - I would however query your comment that the easier option is sitting at home listening to the radio.

Having been going to games since the late '60's, I'm going to find that very hard indeed.