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Warring parties agree secret talks in last-ditch attempt to keep Sky Blues in Coventry

24 Jul 2013 06:45 Sisu/Otium and Arena Coventry Limited to enter negotiations over keeping Coventy City at Ricoh Arena



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A packed Ricoh Arena
Negotiations over the Sky Blues staying at the Ricoh Arena have been secretly scheduled for this week, the Telegraph can exclusively reveal.
Coventry City Football Club owners Sisu/Otium and part-council-owned Ricoh company Arena Coventry Limited (ACL) agreed on Monday to negotiate for the first time since March - when the club went into administration in a bitter legal wrangle.
It has been kept a closely guarded secret since the agreement at a creditors’ meeting held by administrator Paul Appleton after all sides agreed to a “media blackout”.
But the Telegraph has learned Coventry city councillors were briefed about it on Monday night by council finance director Chris West, who, alongside council chief executive Martin Reeves, is a director of ACL.
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Coventry City Council Chief Executive Martin Reeves
It will be viewed as a last-ditch attempt to prevent Coventry City moving out of the city and playing ‘home’ games at Northampton Town for up to five years under Football League-sanctioned plans, while a new stadium is built in the Coventry area.
At least 5,000 joined a march in Coventry city centre on Saturday against the plans.

MPs, the Telegraph and others have campaigned for new negotiations to keep the Sky Blues at the Ricoh or for the Football League and FA to block the Northampton groundshare.
It is understood the negotiations have been scheduled to take place this Friday at the latest.
The two sides’ lawyers will discuss who would be a suitable person to mediate in the discussions as it is believed Mr Appleton’s offer to do so was rejected.
One source said: “We don’t know how far apart the two sides will be.

“They might be coming together reluctantly and it’s not known if they’ll be able to bridge the gap.”
There are many potentially insurmountable hurdles to an eventual agreement - not least a two-sided breakdown in trust and in some cases personal animosity between certain characters involved.

It is believed neither Sky Blues boss Tim Fisher or Sisu boss Joy Seppela will be present.
It is thought the club could be represented by director Mark Labovitch, finance director Steve Brookfield and development director Steve Waggot.
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Steve Waggott
ACL is expected to be represented by Mr West and fellow director Paul Harris.
It is not known if there will be a seat at the table for Peter Knatchbull-Hugessen of the Alan Edward Higgs Charity, which half owns ACL alongside the council.
It is understood Coventry City owners Sisu/Otium have reluctantly agreed to negotiate because they desperately want ACL to sign Mr Appleton’s proposed Creditor Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) to enable the club to exit administration.

The Telegraph understands Coventry City will insist on ACL signing the CVA before there can be any second round of discussions over playing at the Ricoh.
The club desperately wants CCFC Limited to exit administration so that a Football League transfer embargo can be lifted,
to enable new players to be signed.
The earliest the club can come out of administration is three weeks into the new season - which starts in ten days - as a 28-day “cooling off” period must follow any CVA agreement.

Mr Appleton has stated the alternative to CCFC Ltd exiting administration via a CVA is liquidation - which could incur a further 15-point League deduction from the club’s 2013/14 Division One campaign.
It is thought ACL is willing to discuss terms over rent payments and who receives matchday revenues - after it previously offered to lower annual rent from £1.3million to £400,000.

Sources believe Ms Seppala will be highly reluctant to enter into any partnership in the Ricoh, or return to being a tenant with ACL or the council as owner.
It is thought she will want 100 per cent ownership of the Ricoh, and that ACL will not want to sell on those terms.
The price of any such sale would also potentially be a major stumbling block.

Talks collapsed last year over Sisu becoming partners in ACL by buying out the Higgs charity’s 50 per cent share for around £4m.
Another major problem is Sisu’s outstanding High Court application for a judicial review against Coventry City Council’s £14m taxpayer deal in January to buy out ACL’s ‘mortgage’ bank loan.

The club claims the council acted against ‘state aid’ laws, created unfair competition and sought to “wrest control” of the club from its lawful owners - allegations the council denies.
Monday’s creditors’ meeting was adjourned until next Tuesday, when Mr Appleton will hope the CVA will be agreed.
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Paul Appleton

Amendments to his CVA proposal could also be discussed in this week’s negotiations, sources claim.
Mr Appleton’s CVA proposal is to pay back £590,000 to ACL, partly as a proportion of the club’s £1.3m rental debts, through a £1.5m sale of CCFC Ltd to Otium.
He claims Otium had made the best offer, ahead of a bid by US property investor Preston Haskell IV, for the relatively limited assets in CCFC Ltd - and that another company, CCFC (Holdings) Ltd, held the major assets including players’ contracts.

The Telegraph yesterday reported there was confusion as to whether talks were about to take place - after a previously planned mention of “negotiations” was removed from Mr Appleton’s statement yesterday concerning the outcome of the creditors’ meeting.
Until now, ACL has stated the Ricoh doors are “wide open” on a rent-free/matchday-costs-only basis to the administrator - but only while the Sky Blues are in administration, while ACL challenged Sisu/Otium’s right to run the club.
 

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letsallsingtogether

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Please Ricoh so we can start supporting again..................................
 

simple_simon

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So the protest march on Saturday has done a great deal more than expected.
Fisher must now know the vast majority of fans will not be going to Northampton
 

Otis

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'There are many potentially insurmountable hurdles to an eventual agreement - not least a two-sided breakdown in trust and in some cases personal animosity between certain characters involved.

It is believed neither Sky Blues boss Tim Fisher or Sisu boss Joy Seppela will be present.'




Two separate sentences, but in reality just one single sentence!! :D:D:D
 

japandy

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It matters not. Over the past twelve or so years our club has been 'on the demise' and it is due to very few people. It is amazing when a person is in power how quickly they see themselves as 'saviours' or 'business leaders' when in fact all they become is overbearing egoistic childish letdowns. Not one person over those 12 years has done anything of note towards our club. All they seem to have done is act like the lout who finds a fiver and goes to the bookies to win their fortune. I personally thnk the overall problems lies with society and how much emphasis it places on football. We have Sir Alex, who we treat like some modern-day Shakespearian superhero, and what has he actually done compared to the volunteer staff who helpout at Myton Hospice? If SISU, Joy and Tim had taken us to the Premier we would, to a man or woman, lording them up to be of more importance than Lady Godiva, just for the sake of football. ACL, SISU, CCC past and present directors and chairpersons number 30 people at most and they have destroyed a football club. Not for the sake of the community, or due to some ethical or moral belief but through sheer childishness. Not one can be called a 'business-person'. Not one can hold their head up high. Everyone of them has done more to damage the morale of a city than Hitler's planes. They have done so through pure greed. They should be embarrassed of themselves and their position within society. I have no respect for any of them because to command respect you do something nobel. They fight like wimps and they perform their duties like uneducated gamblers. I feel sad for the youngsters growing up in our city because unlike them I had a club with a ground and with respect within British football. Nowadays kids have a club that will play far away so they can never go to watch their team with their mates because how on earth can they get to Northampton? They have a club they possess NO role models other than a handful of players and staff. I cry for them. And to ACL, CCC and SISU hang your head in shame
 

mark82

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Hope I'm wrong but I just can't see this going anywhere. Maybe what they should be doing is agreeing a short term 1 - 3 year deal to allow further negotiation time.
 

Sub

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Sources believe Ms Seppala will be highly reluctant to enter into any partnership in the Ricoh, or return to being a tenant with ACL or the council as owner.
It is thought she will want 100 per cent ownership of the Ricoh, and that ACL will not want to sell on those terms.
The price of any such sale would also potentially be a major stumbling block.


Thats what its all about and SISU attitude is bollocks to the fans and the city we want the Ricoh and if we do not get it we are moving out !!! imho
 

sportbilly

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It will be very difficult to come to any agreement as it looks that the main player in this, Ms Seppala will not be in the meeting. Will her representatives have freedom to negotiate?
I'm glad the meeting is taking place but fearful that the gap between the two sides is too wide and no one will want to concede anything.
We live in hope.
 

Andyb47

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This is probably all part of SISU's game plan anyway, leave it until last ditch talks agree a way back to the Ricoh and come out looking like the good boys, if I was ACL I'd still be wary about signing the CVA agreement, cause SISU may speak with forked tounge !!
 

jesus-wept

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Surely agreement or not there is now grounds for the FL to re-visit their ground share agreement. With or without an agreement the goalposts have shifted and it is now an ideal opportunity to dig themselves out of this hole they are in, or the FA.

We know sisu and how they operate a meeting is nothing, a handshake is nothing, none of sisu reps at this new meeting dare fart without consulting Seppela. We know as printed in the above Telegraph article 100% ownership for sisu of the Ricoh is a non starter. Getting this cva signed off is sisu's main aim, why ? Sorry I don't trust Seppela one iota. Perhaps if they filed their accounts for ccfc Holdings before this meeting, a legal obligation by the way my view may change.
 

Steve.B50

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If there was a full media blackout regarding this meeting, who let the cat out of the bag?

Who is not going to be at the meeting?
 

The Prefect

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In itself this article seems to be good news. But Seppala wants ACL to sign the CVA before a second round of negotiations. With Seppala not being present then CCFC's attendees won't be able to agree to anything.

It seems to me that ACL should insist on a long term lease in return for signing the CVA.

I don't see this sailing anywhere. There is no evidence that SISU have ever negotiated - quite the opposite. They state a position and don't budge.

The CVA needs to be signed URGENTLY so the club will be able to sign players towards the end of the transfer window. That is by no means certain as auditors need to sign accounts.

At present ACL have the upper hand. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 

skybluehugh

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If there was a full media blackout regarding this meeting, who let the cat out of the bag?

Who is not going to be at the meeting?

Sorry but if they were really serious about sorting this out why are neither TF or JS going to be there. The last time, things were agreed with TF, but he went to Joy who said "no I want all of it" as much as I would love for it to be sorted, I just don't see it happening as ACL will not sell it all.
 
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Jack Griffin

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The march and pathetic season ticket sales have had an effect.

But no let up now... keep playing till the final whistle.
 

dongonzalos

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You would expect ACL to demand JS to be there. So what is agreed is actually agreed and finalised.

Also signing the CVA should be as a result of what is agreed with JS.

Not a portal to obtain a negotiation.

Show some metal FL and say to prove that all avenues have been considered.

These negotiations have to happen or a ground share will not be agreed.

Also be present at the negotiations.
 

covboy1987

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It will be very difficult to come to any agreement as it looks that the main player in this, Ms Seppala will not be in the meeting. Will her representatives have freedom to negotiate?
I'm glad the meeting is taking place but fearful that the gap between the two sides is too wide and no one will want to concede anything.
We live in hope.

I thought exactly the same what ever will be agreed in principal will have to be rubber stamped by Joy Seppala so no decision can be made on Friday
 

italiahorse

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Sources believe Ms Seppala will be highly reluctant to enter into any partnership in the Ricoh, or return to being a tenant with ACL or the council as owner.
It is thought she will want 100 per cent ownership of the Ricoh, and that ACL will not want to sell on those terms.
The price of any such sale would also potentially be a major stumbling block.


Thats what its all about and SISU attitude is bollocks to the fans and the city we want the Ricoh and if we do not get it we are moving out !!! imho

As long as the club is valued correctly by ACL and SISU are prepared to pay that price there will not be a problem.

Unfortunately SISU are valuing it as if they were not there and ACL are valuing it as if they are.
If this is the case SISU are wrong but ACL need to understand they are in a precarious position without the club.
Somewhere between the 2 valuations is where it should be.
 
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Jack Griffin

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I thought exactly the same what ever will be agreed in principal will have to be rubber stamped by Joy Seppala so no decision can be made on Friday

I think ACL are well aware of this and should insist upon written confirmation of SISU negotiators authority to agree a deal before discussions proceed.

Once bitten twice shy.
 

covcity4life

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As long as the club is valued correctly by ACL and SISU are prepared to pay that price there will not be a problem.

Unfortunately SISU are valuing it as if they were not there and ACL are valuing it as if they are.
If this is the case SISU are wrong but ACL need to understand they are in a precarious position without the club.
Somewhere between the 2 valuations is where it should be.

ladies and gentleman we have found our mediator!
 

CCFC_GT

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I don't believe the reason SISU has reluctantly agreed to 'negotiate' is because they want administration lifted for the benefit of the football club and signing new players. I believe it is because they are desperate to avoid further investigation into the accounts and dealings of CCFC Ltd and CCFC Holdings under their stewardship. No doubt this is why they are still insisting the CVA is signed before negotiations begin.

If Seppala is, as expected, still after 100% ownership of the Ricoh, no deal will be reached anyway, because she is not prepared to pay a reasonable market price for it, and nor is Coventry City Council prepared to accept a reasonable market price for its 50% share even if it is prepared to sell at all. IMHO.
 

Voice_of_Reason

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Offer them the same deal as Northampton, tell the Football League. The Football League will then have no excuse not to withdraw it's consent to the groundshare ?
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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JS wants 100% ownership of the Ricoh?

Can't she just agree to play at The Ricoh for up to these much-vaunted 5 seasons whilst the new stadium is built? Unless there's not a new stadium, that is, and it was all another long story....
 

jesus-wept

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I don't want us to play at Northampton BUT we cannot in any circumstance allow Joy Seppela to get her hands on that Ricoh Arena. E Mails to the football league must continue to get them to alter their decision. There is a weak link now in the sisu stance, they have agreed to talk after digging their heels in. NO SURRENDER
 

skyblueinBaku

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I think that Sisu want this meeting so that they can push ACL into signing the CVA. I don't believe that they are anxious for that signature because it is the first step on the road to getting the embargo lifted. I'm sure they have an ulterior motive.
 

RegTheDonk

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What is the point of this meeting, a written agreement means nothing to these people?

They had one of those (the rent agreement) but decided they didn't want to pay it.
 

RoboCCFC90

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Sources believe Ms Seppala will be highly reluctant to enter into any partnership in the Ricoh, or return to being a tenant with ACL or the council as owner.
It is thought she will want 100 per cent ownership of the Ricoh, and that ACL will not want to sell on those terms.
The price of any such sale would also potentially be a major stumbling block.


Thats what its all about and SISU attitude is bollocks to the fans and the city we want the Ricoh and if we do not get it we are moving out !!! imho

But what's the difference between wanting to invest in ownership of the Ricoh then building a new stadium? It's only the two fingers to everyone because you feel its SISU, Joy wants to maximise the Club's revenue streams and that improves FFP which means a better team on the pitch and hopefully successful club.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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But what's the difference between wanting to invest in ownership of the Ricoh then building a new stadium? It's only the two fingers to everyone because you feel its SISU, Joy wants to maximise the Club's revenue streams and that improves FFP which means a better team on the pitch and hopefully successful club.

She doesn't. She wants to secure the asset in order to sell it and maximize their return in an exit strategy.

All the 'value-added' cash won't go to the team, the academy, the backroom staff, the fans or the taxpayers of Coventry - it'll be doubtless routed to the Cayman Islands; with a nice big bonus for Fish Boy, for pulling this one off.

Yes, the football team and it's venue need to be unified for so many reasons; but these owners have shown contempt for the game, our club, the city and it's fans at every turn.

Any new owners may not be any better. There aren't many worse in league football, but that's no guarantee we wouldn't sink to an every new low. But if the Ricoh were to be 'given' to someone, I'd rather it wasn't SISU, or one of it's many manifestations.

But if you genuinely believe that Joy Seppala cares one iota about getting a better team on the pitch; well, sorry dear chap, you've sprinkled narcotics and not sugar on your Corn Flakes this morning
 

jesus-wept

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Then what is stopping her doing it the other way round, file accounts, get embargo lifted, invest in the team, which will improve gates, improve FFP and then buy into the stadium. Cheaper too that way round.
 
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