They've run us up against a cliff edge of and they've moved to tip us over (18 Viewers)
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No future with SISU
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You are not a city fan
How much have sisu spent on tranfer fees,not a lot.Majority of players got on free/loan.Any bids to buy our players they are gone,transfer fees un disclosed so the fans have no idea how much sissu are taking out of the club.McGoldrick is a great example,here on loan scoring goals,the fans think this is great,then sissu do not sign him,and forest loan him to Ipswich.sissu do not invest in the club tyey just sell,Huddersfield say here is some money can we have mark robbins.He is gone and more will follow soon. ACL are not to blame for the way the club is now
How much have sisu spent on tranfer fees,not a lot.Majority of players got on free/loan.Any bids to buy our players they are gone,transfer fees un disclosed so the fans have no idea how much sissu are taking out of the club.McGoldrick is a great example,here on loan scoring goals,the fans think this is great,then sissu do not sign him,and forest loan him to Ipswich.sissu do not invest in the club tyey just sell,Huddersfield say here is some money can we have mark robbins.He is gone and more will follow soon. ACL are not to blame for the way the club is now
italiahorse
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This all started because the rents too high.
It was okay in the Championship and SISU took us down to L1
Now the rent is lower than SISU could ever imagine it's still not good enough.
They are using ACL and CCFC to get what they want and if does not go through will never be forgiven.
FISHER/SISU at least say you want the deal
It was okay in the Championship and SISU took us down to L1
Now the rent is lower than SISU could ever imagine it's still not good enough.
They are using ACL and CCFC to get what they want and if does not go through will never be forgiven.
FISHER/SISU at least say you want the deal
ccfcway
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They dont, they want the place for free
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How can Fisher make a comment such as " Their is no Financial Gain in this" What a load of shit! 1,000-2,500 fans at Northampton at £12 per ticket =£30,000 at best, compared to say 9,000 at the Ricoh at say £20.00 per ticket = £180,000 per game.... £150,000 per game better off... how is it not a better financial deal to accept the ACL offer? Do the maths.
Joy do us a favour and sack this complete moron, you will never ever ever get close to owning the Ricoh with that fat shit mouthing off all the time.
Joy do us a favour and sack this complete moron, you will never ever ever get close to owning the Ricoh with that fat shit mouthing off all the time.
Sky Blues
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Exactly. Could ACL have handled things better? Yes, I am sure they could, but how the heck are they supposed to *negotiate* with people that don't seem to want to negotiate. It looks to me like Sisu are after the Ricoh, pure and simple. But we wait and see. Maybe they will see sense by Friday...
sky blue john
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No point saying to sack fisher he is only spouting joys words and thoughts !!!!!
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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What would a meeting with Ann Lucas achieve ,is she on the board of ACL ? if not then she has no say in their buisiness, if the fuul council wanted to have a discussion and make recommendations to the ACL board then they can do but I think recommendations is all they can make they have no say in the management of ACL
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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James Smith
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Sadly I think that's me done for any chance of watching a home match for the next five years at least and possibly ever as I'm not sure the club will survive. I haven't even put the fixtures into my calendar for next season which is something I normally do the day they're released. I think you may not have lost me as a Sky Blues Supporter under your ownership but for ever if you aren't gone before long.
Tim if you really were on a cliff I suspect there are more of your former customers in Coventry (also known as fans) who would like to tip you over, ACL would have to join the long queue. What's next Tim are you running out of people to bring a legal challenge against, are you going to sue the Higgs Charity as you've not done so yet. Compass, Ricoh, Tesco where will it end?
If you were serious about staying in Coventry and not just distressing ACL then you would have taken this offer. Other people have pointed out how much it is going to cost you in terms of lost potential revenue by moving to Sixfields. This is going to cost us under FFP and as a result the playing squad will suffer virtually ensuring relegation next season. If you'd taken the offer on the table, you might have gained some flicker of the respect you lost some time ago with your customers.
There was a chance to fill the Ricoh on the first Home match of the season and you've tossed that away like the supporters of our club. It's now more obvious than ever that you don't care about the fans and are just in this to distress ACL and gain the Ricoh for nothing or virtually nothing. Well despite my attempts to be civil and calm whilst posting on this site, I've just given up on that. Just Bugger* Off and take the statue of Joy with you off to your tinpot stadium site, which you're still looking at. If you touch my brick at the Ricoh let alone remove it and I'll sue you faster than you can put another legal challenge in against ACL and CCC.
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*which you can substitute with a four letter word beginning with the sixth letter of the alphabet.
Tim if you really were on a cliff I suspect there are more of your former customers in Coventry (also known as fans) who would like to tip you over, ACL would have to join the long queue. What's next Tim are you running out of people to bring a legal challenge against, are you going to sue the Higgs Charity as you've not done so yet. Compass, Ricoh, Tesco where will it end?
If you were serious about staying in Coventry and not just distressing ACL then you would have taken this offer. Other people have pointed out how much it is going to cost you in terms of lost potential revenue by moving to Sixfields. This is going to cost us under FFP and as a result the playing squad will suffer virtually ensuring relegation next season. If you'd taken the offer on the table, you might have gained some flicker of the respect you lost some time ago with your customers.
There was a chance to fill the Ricoh on the first Home match of the season and you've tossed that away like the supporters of our club. It's now more obvious than ever that you don't care about the fans and are just in this to distress ACL and gain the Ricoh for nothing or virtually nothing. Well despite my attempts to be civil and calm whilst posting on this site, I've just given up on that. Just Bugger* Off and take the statue of Joy with you off to your tinpot stadium site, which you're still looking at. If you touch my brick at the Ricoh let alone remove it and I'll sue you faster than you can put another legal challenge in against ACL and CCC.
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Nor can Joy shes not a director of Odius:thinking about::facepalm:
NSGDM1, She's the leader of the council and I imagine she's holding out an olive branch, of sorts, to Sepalla?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Mark82, I think you are right. As has become patently obvious to most fans in recent months, Sisu are trying to get the stadium on the cheap.
The FA and Football League have waved them on. Shameful negligence on their part.
But let's see what Friday brings. It's Wednesday night. Time yet.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Mark82, I think you are right. As has become patently obvious to most fans in recent months, Sisu are trying to get the stadium on the cheap.
The FA and Football League have waved them on. Shameful negligence on their part.
But let's see what Friday brings. It's Wednesday night. Time yet.
skybluehugh
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ccfcway
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its all standard business practice
I think the show stopper is the 10 year lease. The rent is probably more or less acceptable if access to F/B revenue is included.
The lease should be 4 - maybe 5 years.
I read some suggestion that a 10 year lease is the minimum accepted by FL/FA - but surely they could simply continue the existent lease reducing the remaining length to 4/5 years?
The lease should be 4 - maybe 5 years.
I read some suggestion that a 10 year lease is the minimum accepted by FL/FA - but surely they could simply continue the existent lease reducing the remaining length to 4/5 years?
@richh87
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She's a shadow director.
ccfcway
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doesnt make a jot of difference, 10 years, 6 years , 2 years, Aside from the CVA, SISU do not want to give 1p to ACL....
DazzleTommyDazzle
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The rent was £1.2m on a 40 (?) year lease.
They've been offered £150k on a 10 year deal ( with higher or lower rates for promotion or relegation) and you still think there are "show stoppers"?????
Do me a favour......
Paxman II
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I think there is lots of leaps into the dark here. I can't see quite how you can firmly suggest SISU won't stop trying to distress ACL because they want the Ricoh arena? I think it's more complex than that.
The deal offered now is not as easy and as good as it looks. However with the F&B added as has been suggested, rent lowered to almost peppercorn levels it's difficult to see why SISU would turn it down. That was the main basis that started it all.
Perhaps the details of the new 'fixed' term lease is the stumbling block? Is it not assignable? Now would you take a fixed term lease on that you could not reassign in order to sell your interest? Not saying that is the problem, just a thought.
The rent and the F&B etc all seem fair but the 10 year lease and it's requirements are where the stumbling block is I suspect.
While leaks about the rent and stuff have come out the terms of the lease have not.
If the lease was anything it should be (no conditions other than standard stuff) then I would have difficulty in understanding SISU's refusal.
Remember Hoffman's "I'll pay the rent@ nonsense last month? That for example was no such thing once you disseminated the offer.
So lets wait and see. there is plenty to discuss Friday.
The deal offered now is not as easy and as good as it looks. However with the F&B added as has been suggested, rent lowered to almost peppercorn levels it's difficult to see why SISU would turn it down. That was the main basis that started it all.
Perhaps the details of the new 'fixed' term lease is the stumbling block? Is it not assignable? Now would you take a fixed term lease on that you could not reassign in order to sell your interest? Not saying that is the problem, just a thought.
The rent and the F&B etc all seem fair but the 10 year lease and it's requirements are where the stumbling block is I suspect.
While leaks about the rent and stuff have come out the terms of the lease have not.
If the lease was anything it should be (no conditions other than standard stuff) then I would have difficulty in understanding SISU's refusal.
Remember Hoffman's "I'll pay the rent@ nonsense last month? That for example was no such thing once you disseminated the offer.
So lets wait and see. there is plenty to discuss Friday.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Attention Attention Football League. hello Hello are you there ? Oh right you dont give a shit thank you
cloughie
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surely not that's illegal, sisu wouldn't want to blemish their outstanding reputation of being transparent and open with fans the FL and companies house, or HMRC
I am beginning to wonder if this whole thing is just a refelection of Seppala's hard nosed, right-wing approach to business and a reaction to fan unrest in previous seasons. I can imagine her instructions to Fisher, when he took over, were along the lines of:
"This is my company and I don't have to take the fans views into account or treat it as a community asset. It's time for me to show this riff-raff that they can't tell me how to run my own business. I want you to show those low life just who is in charge and I don't mind how you do it. We'll pick up the pieces when everyone has got this message and we will be able to dictate our own terms".
"This is my company and I don't have to take the fans views into account or treat it as a community asset. It's time for me to show this riff-raff that they can't tell me how to run my own business. I want you to show those low life just who is in charge and I don't mind how you do it. We'll pick up the pieces when everyone has got this message and we will be able to dictate our own terms".
So you also think a 4/5 year lease would be a good compromise?
DazzleTommyDazzle
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So you say that Hoffman's offer was "nonsense",
Please explain how SISU would have been worse off by taking that deal rather than going to their beloved Northampton.
ccfcway
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For me it depends if we protest at Northampton or do a "day at the ricoh"
Northampton would simply be asking for trouble
DazzleTommyDazzle
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So you don't think that a 75% reduction in term and a (almost) 90% reduction in rent is already a "good compromise"?
Are you really being serious?
skybluehugh
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Sadly I truly believe that it will be the forever part. Once ACL do not bend over and summit to SHITSU's demands and sign the CVA, they lose any chance of getting their hands on the ARENA. They will liquidate us as there really will be no financial gain for them in owning a bankrupt football club.
Paxman II
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Hoffman's offer had nothing to do about going to Northampton. It was an offer to pay the rent at the Ricoh in a misguided attempt at thinking it was merely about the rent money. It's never just been about the rent money alone.
The offer was basically a loan with conditions that stipulated the payback through ticket income. I think Fisher could simply have paid the rent and done that himself! In effect it was invoice funded like many companies can do for cash flow. that's not what SISU needed.
Oh and Hoffman wanted fees attached! How the hell was that something of interest to SISU? The dispute they are arguing is far deeper than paying short term rent...least of all if you end up almost financing yourself through your own takings! It was utterly dumb and showed a complete lack of understanding of the situation in play. And Hoffman is a successful banker? Beggars belief.
The offer was basically a loan with conditions that stipulated the payback through ticket income. I think Fisher could simply have paid the rent and done that himself! In effect it was invoice funded like many companies can do for cash flow. that's not what SISU needed.
Oh and Hoffman wanted fees attached! How the hell was that something of interest to SISU? The dispute they are arguing is far deeper than paying short term rent...least of all if you end up almost financing yourself through your own takings! It was utterly dumb and showed a complete lack of understanding of the situation in play. And Hoffman is a successful banker? Beggars belief.
DazzleTommyDazzle
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skybluehugh
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Not with the business people I deal with and the one who was like it I never dealt again.