For ACL to make an offer to CCFC for a return to the Ricoh. As I understand it they are paying £100,000/year rent, not sure if any parking, F&B is included but if ACL match that AND make the offer public, we would all know once and for all who is to blame for this mess if Shitzu tuned it down.
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ohitsaidwalker king power
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Havent they already done soemthing very similar though.. did they not offer £150,000/annum and that was turned down?
Do I not also recall Mr Fisher suggesting that the low profit margins from food and beverage sales(as they are professed to be) prevented SISU from entertaining the current catering contract as business viable?
Do I not also recall Mr Fisher suggesting that the low profit margins from food and beverage sales(as they are professed to be) prevented SISU from entertaining the current catering contract as business viable?
letsallsingtogether
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Timmy said no he hasn't been asked they approached the administrator......
AND I for one believe every word he says :thinking about: look they are not interested not now not ever.
we will be re-branded within the 3-5 years we are away CCFC will be no more and no-one will stop them or get in their way or they will pursue you prosecute you prostitute and ruin you............................................
AND I for one believe every word he says :thinking about: look they are not interested not now not ever.
we will be re-branded within the 3-5 years we are away CCFC will be no more and no-one will stop them or get in their way or they will pursue you prosecute you prostitute and ruin you............................................
Think it's gone past that now. We won't be going back to the ricoh so long as sisu are here.Too much has gone on to agree a deal.can anybody answer this? It seems like the key to a deal for the ricoh being done is sisu getting the f&b money.How come compass have never been mentioned in any of this ? If sisu can get the money for a new ground then surely they could buy the rights off compass ?.
Mick Scoop
Member
Agreed, would love it to happen but Timmy has said it never will..................or could he be telling fibs again......:thinking about:
Exactly, why, if as Fishface says "we have moved on", are they pursuing the appeal re the JR?
mark82
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Spite?
jaytskyblue
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Isn't it clear by now, Sisu want the Ricoh at a price they name, no negotiations.
It isn't going to happen.
It isn't going to happen.
ccfcway
Well-Known Member
exactly
So why on earth dont ACL come out in public and announce the deal they have offered Otium..
Then we would all know what Otium /SISU's game is
Paxman II
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How many times must this be denied before some on here finally get it? NO this offer was not made and the offer that you talk about was to the administrator who could not act on that in his remit. It also had a few very special clauses such as a 10 year tied agreement and no F&B etc. to name a few few, totally not what some on here believe happened.
As for a 100k rent offer to match Northampton? Well yes in theory but what about the increased match day cost, the increased policing cost etc etc? The only short term offer that's realistic would be a free rent season while they get a deal sorted for a permanent solution.
bigfatronssba
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Answer me this then, what would have stopped sisu renting the Ricoh for 3-5 years, whilst building a new ground, then liquidating the business when the new ground is built?
Paxman II
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Because ACL want 10 years? ACL are the people with the keys. It's ACL who need to find a tenant and make an offer to one. I suppose that will need to be more than just an offer to rent their pitch? You seem to be under the illusion that the football club should make the first move? The onus is on ACL surely? The football club may have played there before but it was never their exclusive right other than match days and then just to play on the pitch.
Why would they liquidate a business after it built a new stadium?
Why would they liquidate a business after it built a new stadium?
Well the current contract has 40+ years, and it didn't stop them from attempting to break it. As of right now, they STILL have that contract.
And the club shop, and the hospitality, and probably a few other things too. The onus is certainly on ACL to find another tenant, or find another purpose for the pitch I suppose if nothing works out short term - yet CCFC currently have no stadium, and no apparent plans for a stadium given they don't even have any land at present (and I suspect a pretty small chance of getting planning permission any time in the next few years regardless). At some point they have to do something or risk everything falling apart on them.
ohitsaidwalker king power
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Pax- please give us your blue print for a successful model- ACL-CCC-HIGGS trust and CCFC(Otium).. living as one in perfect harmony- I'd be interested to know?
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bigfatronssba
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That doesn't really answer my question does it?
Ccfc ltd could have carried on paying the £1.3m rent for the next few years whilst ccfc holdings built a new ground. Ccfc ltd could have then broke the lease.
ohitsaidwalker king power
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Part ownership.....nail on head... apart from the part.....SISU want full ownership.
bigfatronssba
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OK, so what have we got now for the next 3-5 years?
rondog1973
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How many times must it be said before people get it into their heads, they are not, have no intention of, and never will, build a new stadium.
SIR ERNIE
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10 year agreement=perfectly reasonable.
no F&B=so what? small beer, please don't fall for that SISU red herring.
The fact is ACL called SISU's bluff when they offered a reduced rent from £1.3m to £150k.
In rejecting it, SISU's true motives were exposed. SISU's priority was never the football club.
NOPM.
RegTheDonk
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A 3 year deal was suggested to fisher while they built the stadium by a texter on shanes show last monday, but fisher rejected this idea out of hand
ohitsaidwalker king power
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:jerkit:
CCFC_GT
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I agree the time has come for ACL to make a publicly declares offer for CCFC to return to the Ricoh, but as I see it this is so we know what the game is on both sides, because I don't trust SISU or CCC and blame them both for the demise of our club.
Through the SBT and direct e-mails to ACL/CCC we need to put pressure on ACL to do this.
This is a summary of my thoughts made in previous posts regarding applying pressure to both sides:-
1. Continued NOPM on SISU to minimise its income, regardless of semantics over individual interpretation of this.
2. Put pressure on CCC/ACL to offer to sell the 77% of IEC that ACL owns at a reasonable market price to the football club, to give access to revenues to aid FFP for the football club, and add a value that with a long lease makes the club more saleable. If SISU then turns this down it would finally confirm the majority belief that its only real agenda is distressed acquisition of the Ricoh and that it has absolutely no interest in the football club. If CCC through ACL is not prepared to offer to sell 77% of IEC, then CCC/ACL cannot seriously expect to agree a deal. No investors, even new ones that most would like to see, are likely to accept any deal that includes only match day revenues and profits, as this doesn't enable the club to benefit from all activities at the Ricoh, as was originally envisaged when the stadium was planned. (77% of IEC is not just F&B rights, it is all Ricoh catering and site management revenues)
I personally agree with CCC protecting the asset of the Ricoh for the community by continuing with at least part ownership of the freehold, but I don't agree with it continuing with its fingers in the pie of revenues, or frankly management of the stadium.
thaiskyblue
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why should acl go arse licking sisu.
nopm, starve them out.
SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
Are you mad?
ACL have already bent over backwards in making the £150k offer.
Do you seriously want SISU to have even more control?
Grendel
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For goodness sake - the £150,000 deal was not offered to the owners but to the administrator. How many times does this have to be said to you before it sinks in?
For goodness sake - the £150,000 deal was not offered to the owners but to the administrator. How many times does this have to be said to you before it sinks in?
jesus-wept
New Member
What about Preston Heskell being more positive about his apparent interest. He still keeps coming over so I suppose he is still keen. Might indicate how much sisu would sell at, although the common theme is "the club is not for sale" I don't believe that for one minute.
CCFC_GT
New Member
What I want is what is best for the football club, not what is best for SISU or CCC.
What I would also like to see is the commercial positions of SISU and CCC fully exposed, so that we can all judge and understand without any need for presumptions.
What all 3 parties have proved ACL the council and SISU is that they all have no business sense whatsoever and are great at wasting money. If one of the three had put in the money they have all wasted into the club then we would be at least in the championship. All of them need to do what's best for the club, the fans, and the city and admit defeat and sell up to one person/ set up. Oh wait they there egos won't allow it
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Its worth a damn site more than playing in fuckin Northampton
chiefdave
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wasn't the offer a rolling 10 year lease as FL regulations (should they ever decide to stick to any) require a minimum of 10 years?
That maybe (I thought it was offered to SISU but Fisher claimed they couldn't make an agreement prior to the CVA being signed despite the fact they had already signed an agreement with NTFC in the same circumstances?) but when pushed on CWR if Otium would agree to a 150K rent offer he refused to answer, the phrasing and the way he was squirming made it pretty clear to me the answer was no but he didn't want to admit it.
Do we know for a fact the £150K offer didn't include any F&B?
bigfatronssba
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Those stadiums are much smaller