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Tonylinc

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What makes you think that any capital raised will be sunk into CCFC? I would think that we would be the last of their concerns.
 

skybluetony176

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What makes you think that any capital raised will be sunk into CCFC? I would think that we would be the last of their concerns.

i don't think it will be sunk into ccfc, that has never been their business model for our club.

the point i am making is that our club must be a big drain on them at the moment so is it possible that they need to sell other assets to cover losses on ccfc? ie could it be an indication that NOPM is working?

i'm not saying its the case but if they get in a position where they need to start off loading assets to maintain their interest in ccfc and what ever their end game/exit strategy is, they may decide enough is enough, cut their losses and sell the club.

its only a theory but its the 1st news story i have ever found about them where they are selling assets other than our star players, so its worth keeping an eye on them in the press and online to see if a pattern is emerging that can give us a better idea of what may or not be going on behind closed doors.
 
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RPHunt

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Maybe an indication that investors in the hedge fund are getting nervous as SISU's incompetence is being laid bare in the media.

If the investors in the hedge fund are trying to get out, then SISU would have to sell off assets to be able to pay them.
 

skybluetony176

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Maybe an indication that investors in the hedge fund are getting nervous as SISU's incompetence is being laid bare in the media.

If the investors in the hedge fund are trying to get out, then SISU would have to sell off assets to be able to pay them.

another interesting view point that i hadn't considered.

is it possible to get a list of their investors? we could start badgering them directly. i have had a little look on the internet but have drawn a blank.
 

georgehudson

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exactly sbt176, to identify their investors & then ask the investors whether they are happy with the way THEIR money is being used
 

CarpyCov84

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Concrete evidence their flapping pulling money out of other busines....

Get out while you can Sisu before you have nothing left !!!
 

singers_pore

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One of the key points of a hedge fund is to keep their investors strictly anonymous. You'll never get that information unless someone from within SISU chooses to leak.
 

Nick

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How do we know the money isn't coming to build a stadium or if it is even coming to ccfc?
 

RPHunt

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it also says another company is looking to sell not just sisu.

Not surprising really as the shares have gone down by 1/3 in value this year - in a rising market. Looks like another very poor investment decision by SISU.
 

Nick

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Not surprising really as the shares have gone down by 1/3 in value this year - in a rising market. Looks like another very poor investment decision by SISU.

Was hoping somebody would be able to look a bit deeper, I thought they didn't sell when it was at the bottom of the sequence or whatever it was that was said???
 

ESB

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Funds sell when the cost financing is higher than their projected returns (simple explanation).

Investors will expect a target return (performance is usually published monthly), if the investment portfolio is not delivering this there'll be pressure to make corrections.

Add in the need for liquidity (cash flow problems), the chance to realise gains above long term projection (making a quick buck) or the investment portfolio is un balanced either through concentration (too many assets in one place) or being on the wrong side of the curve (short ~ long of assets when the markets moving against you).

Long and short there's no way to tell unless you have complete disclosure of their strategy and transparency of all the legal entities that make up their investment portfolio.

Looking at the economics of the CCFC deal I cannot see what they're trying to achieve, but I take this as I don't know all the facts.

I do know NOPM is the best protest we have, they are a financial beast don't feed them.
 

mrtrench

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Funds sell when the cost financing is higher than their projected returns (simple explanation).

Investors will expect a target return (performance is usually published monthly), if the investment portfolio is not delivering this there'll be pressure to make corrections.

Add in the need for liquidity (cash flow problems), the chance to realise gains above long term projection (making a quick buck) or the investment portfolio is un balanced either through concentration (too many assets in one place) or being on the wrong side of the curve (short ~ long of assets when the markets moving against you).

Long and short there's no way to tell unless you have complete disclosure of their strategy and transparency of all the legal entities that make up their investment portfolio.

Looking at the economics of the CCFC deal I cannot see what they're trying to achieve, but I take this as I don't know all the facts.

I do know NOPM is the best protest we have, they are a financial beast don't feed them.

Yes, I agree with this. So why did you say a few days ago that you believe SISU is using CCFC as a debt pit and hence NOPM will not work?
 

ESB

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I said i feared it won't work, hence knowing all the facts.

But I'm still not giving them cash, as that's my only form of protest I have that can achieve anything.

Should also say I deplore the fact these leaches are trying to distress ACL in to a fire sale. So I refuse to feed them.
 
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jesus-wept

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singers_pore;536578 You'll never get that information unless someone from within SISU chooses to leak.[/QUOTE said:
[That's what is needed, an insider. Think I read they employ about 15 at their London HQ so we need a well heeled ally to make one an offer that can't be refused.
 

mattylad

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Just because they have Morgan Stanley looking for possible suiters does not mean that they are selling at any price. This is just a case of sending out feelers to see if any one bites. As for propping up CCFC my understanding was that they have already had to show proof of funding for the next three years to the football league.
 

James Smith

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How do we know the money isn't coming to build a stadium or if it is even coming to ccfc?

I'll believe it when I see the stadium being built - Where are the plans for the White Elephant Stadium Tim?
 

James Smith

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Was hoping somebody would be able to look a bit deeper, I thought they didn't sell when it was at the bottom of the sequence or whatever it was that was said???

Wasn't it you don't sell at the bottom of the business cycle"*? And if so sounds like someone somewhere isn't peddling fast enough.

*especially if it's your fault that you've got there in the first place.
 

Nick

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I'll believe it when I see the stadium being built - Where are the plans for the White Elephant Stadium Tim?

The thing is, all we know from that is that SISU may sell one of their investments. Nothing more or less so may not even be related to CCFC?
 

ccfcway

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The thing is, all we know from that is that SISU may sell one of their investments. Nothing more or less so may not even be related to CCFC?

tbf we know a little more than that. Even Joy has said time and time again they have made mistakes. Funny thing is, they keep making them !
 

RegTheDonk

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Wasn't it you don't sell at the bottom of the business cycle"*? And if so sounds like someone somewhere isn't peddling fast enough.

*especially if it's your fault that you've got there in the first place.

While I understand Fishers point, it relies on the business being able to climb back up that cycle. This did't happen with Woolworths, Comet, and god knows how many other big chains who have gone bump, and the jury is out on Jessops.

Sometimes your business model is wrong or your competitors have the market sewn up.

For Fisher to unilaterally say that, effectively, you don't sell unless you are making a profit, is blind ignorance. Just because its a football club, a unique product in a particular catchment area, doesn't mean it will see a return .... SISU have apparently writton off millions "selling" to Otium. Robinson apparently lost millions selling to SISU.

The only way the will ever get their money back, as lots of people have pointed out so apologies for a repetative post, is getting the stadium on the cheap and flogging CCFC with it as a package. Alternatively, get us into the prem and pocket the TV money, which won't happen as they are a company that strips, not invests.

So sell up now Joy, the cycle's chain has come off - you'll get a few million back for CCFC - the council won't sell below the going price, if to SISU at all.
 

lordsummerisle

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While I understand Fishers point, it relies on the business being able to climb back up that cycle. This did't happen with Woolworths, Comet, and god knows how many other big chains who have gone bump, and the jury is out on Jessops.

I think that lots of those couldn't afford the rent on their shops, after selling the freeholds for a bit of money and then leasing them at excessive rates.

Lot of that about!
 

rondog1973

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Was hoping somebody would be able to look a bit deeper, I thought they didn't sell when it was at the bottom of the sequence or whatever it was that was said???
It could be that all of SISU's eggs are in the one basket (Obtaining the Ricoh). This ain't gonna happen. Could be wrong, but I think I hear the sound of creaking noises coming from the organisation given some of their recent activities (This post's subject, advertising for fans due to Timmy's woefully optimistic forecast on attendance figures. Keep the pressure on, NOPM.
 

wince

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It could be that all of SISU's eggs are in the one basket (Obtaining the Ricoh). This ain't gonna happen. Could be wrong, but I think I hear the sound of creaking noises coming from the organisation given some of their recent activities (This post's subject, advertising for fans due to Timmy's woefully optimistic forecast on attendance figures. Keep the pressure on, NOPM
Have said all along no company can run without money, soon that £70 mill debt wont just be on paper but real, no one can keep loosing other peoples money , remember we have already had 5 plus years of losses , it will be ten twelve years before the club can think of selling how much will they have spent by then ?
 

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