Lucas (9 Viewers)

[RoboCCFC90]

This is since then. Why would Lucas lie?

Why did Ann Lucas not decide to do it when it was offered?

Councils lie..

 

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[bigfatronssba]

Why did Ann Lucas not decide to do it when it was offered?

Councils lie..

Mep's dont?

 

[shmmeee]

Why did Ann Lucas not decide to do it when it was offered?

Councils lie..

Who says she didn't?

So do weirdo MEPs desperate for reelection. Usually more often than entire cross party councils.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Who says she didn't?

So do weirdo MEPs desperate for reelection. Usually more often than entire cross party councils.

Nikki Sinclaire said that she had been told that no meeting was possible with Ann Lucas!

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Mep's dont?

Great point.

 

[Nick]

If the mep was spouting loads of lies about the council wouldn't Lucas come out and deny them?

 

[edgy]

Interesting you name calling those on the CCC side, yet castigating people who have the temerity to call Fisher 'Timmy' yesterday, eh? Just remind me what the SISU protagonists have done to deserve your unconditional support, can you?

There's a small difference in using playground derogatory nicknames & calling someone useless.

unconditional support? Ahhh the usual retort to anyone who dare questions the councils role in this mess..... Get some new material.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

There's a small difference in using playground derogatory nicknames & calling someone useless.

unconditional support? Ahhh the usual retort to anyone who dare questions the councils role in this mess..... Get some new material.

Unconditional support is an observation based on many myopic opinions you express, not a retort. The ACL rent only accounts in its totality for £6m in SISU's entire tenure. How do you think this compares with our owners actions; which have seen home gates decimated from 18K to less than 2K over their term?

Do that maths and try to apportion blame accordingly

 

[edgy]

I have thanks. Both parties have blame to shoulder but unfortunately both sides aren't being held accountable.

Oh and it was a retort. Based on many myopic opinions you express when offering your unconiditional support to ACL.

 

[Astute]

I have thanks. Both parties have blame to shoulder but unfortunately both sides aren't being held accountable.

Oh and it was a retort. Based on many myopic opinions you express when offering your unconiditional support to ACL.

The problem is that some have a lot more blame to shoulder than others, but some make out as though they are as bad as each other.

 

[skybluetony176]

So what about the meeting that Nikki Sinclaire tried to organise a meeting with Ann Lucas, but low and behold Ann Lucas wouldn't meet Nikki Sinclaire?

if ann did meet nikki it would serve as much use as nikki meeting joy, ie diddly squat.

so dont get side tracked by these pointless meetings they serve no purpose and are just a pr stunt at best.

i'm meeting my sister who now lives in warrington for lunch in a couple of days, like me she is a sky blue so we are bound to be talking about the whole situation. i'll let you know how that went if you like, seeing as you're are concerned about meetings regarding CCFC that cant possibly accomplish anything.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

if ann did meet nikki it would serve as much use as nikki meeting joy, ie diddly squat. - If so why are people insisting on slating sides for not organising these meetings, it maybe deemed useless, but at the moment any meeting where these parties are talking and building bridges is a good step and should be encouraged.

so dont get side tracked by these pointless meetings they serve no purpose and are just a pr stunt at best. - I am not however one poster stated it was the fault of one side of this arguement regarding these meetings, if they really are that pointless then why have them at all?

i'm meeting my sister who now lives in warrington for lunch in a couple of days, like me she is a sky blue so we are bound to be talking about the whole situation. i'll let you know how that went if you like, seeing as you're are concerned about meetings regarding CCFC that cant possibly accomplish anything. - What you discuss with your sister is entirely up to you and should be kept between yourselves, more to the point I am not actually concerned what you discuss with your sister. It should be important for these parties (SISU and CCC) to get round a table and discuss a way forward without Nikki Sinclaire, but with someone who can mediate the situation, because at the moment it's playground stuff.

 

[Astute]

I am not however one poster stated it was the fault of one side of this arguement regarding these meetings, if they really are that pointless then why have them at all?


At last. Nail hammer head.

Talks are worthless unless they are between ACL and Joy. Timothy has to check with Joy before doing anything. Remember the offer from ACL on a much lower rent? Timothy said he wasn't expecting the offer and would have to talk with Joy.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I am not however one poster stated it was the fault of one side of this arguement regarding these meetings, if they really are that pointless then why have them at all?


At last. Nail hammer head.

Talks are worthless unless they are between ACL and Joy. Timothy has to check with Joy before doing anything. Remember the offer from ACL on a much lower rent? Timothy said he wasn't expecting the offer and would have to talk with Joy.

Would love to know how you came to that conclusion.

The talks need to between Coventry Council (Ann Lucas) and SISU/Otium (Joy Seppala) it has been proved in the past that ACL Directors and Tim Fisher haven't come to an agreement on the Arena, then this needs to go higher, no doubt the highest personel for both parties is Ann Lucas (Although not of ACL) and Joy Seppala, these two need to talk.

 

[Astute]

Would love to know how you came to that conclusion.

The talks need to between Coventry Council (Ann Lucas) and SISU/Otium (Joy Seppala) it has been proved in the past that ACL Directors and Tim Fisher haven't come to an agreement on the Arena, then this needs to go higher, no doubt the highest personel for both parties is Ann Lucas (Although not of ACL) and Joy Seppala, these two need to talk.

ACL is CCC and Higgs. You keep reminding us of this fact. Lucas is CCC. The one that seems to be in charge of it. I have always said....and said here again that it needs to be Joy as she is the one that makes the decisions. So where was I wrong?

Just reading what you want to read again?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

ACL is CCC and Higgs. You keep reminding us of this fact. Lucas is CCC. The one that seems to be in charge of it. I have always said....and said here again that it needs to be Joy as she is the one that makes the decisions. So where was I wrong?

Just reading what you want to read again?

I realise this however what past achievement have SISU managed talking to ACL? Sweet FA. You say "Seems to be in charge of it" yes Ann Lucas is, but to my knowledge Ann Lucas isn't a director on the ACL board?? Which means talking to ACL is pretty much a no-go, why? Because they don't have the authorisation to agree anything beyond their payroll?! Which means SISU/Otium need to go to Ann Lucas at CCC.

Joy has to be one on the SISU side of course but it needs to be the two highest personel (As I have previously said) that are involved in these discussions.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Anne Lucas needs to re-allign the directors in the ACL that work for the CCC and out someone in there that can negotiate to a conclusive end.

 

[Astute]

I realise this however what past achievement have SISU managed talking to ACL? Sweet FA. You say "Seems to be in charge of it" yes Ann Lucas is, but to my knowledge Ann Lucas isn't a director on the ACL board?? Which means talking to ACL is pretty much a no-go, why? Because they don't have the authorisation to agree anything beyond their payroll?! Which means SISU/Otium need to go to Ann Lucas at CCC.

Joy has to be one on the SISU side of course but it needs to be the two highest personel (As I have previously said) that are involved in these discussions.

But Joy won't talk to anyone from CCC, ACL or anyone that she can't fob off with untrue comments. And this is what I have always said as well as many others, so don't understand where you are coming from. Joy don't want us playing at the Ricoh. Otherwise it would have happened by now.

And then some make a lot of talks between Joy and an MEP. As we can see this has got us nowhere. The only chance we have is by putting pressure on Joy. But we don't even know what she looks like. So the only chance we have is by hitting her in the pocket and also keeping SISU in the spotlight.

We know that Higgs/ACL are still happy to talk. Looks like the academy are moving back. Hopefully after making such a loss from being in Northampton she will have to have a rethink. And with the academy back there could be a way of talks starting at last.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

But Joy won't talk to anyone from CCC, ACL or anyone that she can't fob off with untrue comments. And this is what I have always said as well as many others, so don't understand where you are coming from. Joy don't want us playing at the Ricoh. Otherwise it would have happened by now.

And then some make a lot of talks between Joy and an MEP. As we can see this has got us nowhere. The only chance we have is by putting pressure on Joy. But we don't even know what she looks like. So the only chance we have is by hitting her in the pocket and also keeping SISU in the spotlight.

We know that Higgs/ACL are still happy to talk. Looks like the academy are moving back. Hopefully after making such a loss from being in Northampton she will have to have a rethink. And with the academy back there could be a way of talks starting at last.

So if what you state is true, why would Ann Lucas not talk to Nikki Sinclaire and put her point across?

Joy and Nikki's discussion is a step forward IMO it shows that Seppala is willing to communicate, but how do you expect her to communicate with the fans or make an appearance at our fixtures when most fans want her head????

Anyway of talks intiating between the two parties should be exploited, if that means through the Academy Negotiations then so be it, however I doubt this as the one person who does have his head screwed on in the clubs hierachy (Steve Waggott) won't be involved in discussions regarding the Arena which is something I would prefer because out of them all, Steve seems to know what he is doing.

 

[Hobo]

I realise this however what past achievement have SISU managed talking to ACL? Sweet FA. You say "Seems to be in charge of it" yes Ann Lucas is, but to my knowledge Ann Lucas isn't a director on the ACL board?? Which means talking to ACL is pretty much a no-go, why? Because they don't have the authorisation to agree anything beyond their payroll?! Which means SISU/Otium need to go to Ann Lucas at CCC.

Joy has to be one on the SISU side of course but it needs to be the two highest personel (As I have previously said) that are involved in these discussions.

Robo,
I think Joy Seppala has in the past been in negotiations with ACL and has been present at meetings. It seems she still pulls the strings on ultimate decisions. But since it has all gone a bit pear shaped for SISU...she does seem to have distanced herself. Is that because of skeletons in the closet?
SISU seem to keep squirming out of the corners but I'm not sure they are in as much control as people think.
I think they are fire fighting at the moment and in crisis management.
This of course is speculation, it depends on how the club sits with their other investments.
However the new stadium route seems more of a time buying policy than a sound financial vision. The economic route they are taking seems bonkers.
I am not trying to scare monger here, I am just trying to put across how their strategies come across to me.

 

[thaiskyblue]

Interesting you name calling those on the CCC side, yet castigating people who have the temerity to call Fisher 'Timmy' yesterday, eh? Just remind me what the SISU protagonists have done to deserve your unconditional support, can you?

at least ann Lucas is a genuine city supporter. before she was on the council i remember she used to sit in the sky blue stand at highfield road.

 

[thaiskyblue]

So if what you state is true, why would Ann Lucas not talk to Nikki Sinclaire and put her point across?

Joy and Nikki's discussion is a step forward IMO it shows that Seppala is willing to communicate, but how do you expect her to communicate with the fans or make an appearance at our fixtures when most fans want her head????

Anyway of talks intiating between the two parties should be exploited, if that means through the Academy Negotiations then so be it, however I doubt this as the one person who does have his head screwed on in the clubs hierachy (Steve Waggott) won't be involved in discussions regarding the Arena which is something I would prefer because out of them all, Steve seems to know what he is doing.

If Seppala has any genuine feelings about our club she would have been see from the start. what's she got to hide ?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Robo,
I think Joy Seppala has in the past been in negotiations with ACL and has been present at meetings. It seems she still pulls the strings on ultimate decisions. But since it has all gone a bit pear shaped for SISU...she does seem to have distanced herself. Is that because of skeletons in the closet?
SISU seem to keep squirming out of the corners but I'm not sure they are in as much control as people think.
I think they are fire fighting at the moment and in crisis management.
This of course is speculation, it depends on how the club sits with their other investments.
However the new stadium route seems more of a time buying policy than a sound financial vision. The economic route they are taking seems bonkers.
I am not trying to scare monger here, I am just trying to put across how their strategies come across to me.

That's fair enough Hobo and I respect that opinion, but of course as you have said it's guess work and I won't pretend like I have proven facts, because at the moment in this situation no one does.

 

[jesus-wept]

What is the point of Ann Lucas meeting Nikki Sinclair who three times in radio interview has tried to politicise this issue when one thing it isn't and thats political, thank god. Why Sinclair is hell bent on this I have no idea and just proves her ignorance of the facts. Nothing wrong in Sinclair meeting Seppala but there's no mileage at all in her meeting Lucas.

 

[Astute]

So if what you state is true, why would Ann Lucas not talk to Nikki Sinclaire and put her point across?

Joy and Nikki's discussion is a step forward IMO it shows that Seppala is willing to communicate, but how do you expect her to communicate with the fans or make an appearance at our fixtures when most fans want her head????

Anyway of talks intiating between the two parties should be exploited, if that means through the Academy Negotiations then so be it, however I doubt this as the one person who does have his head screwed on in the clubs hierachy (Steve Waggott) won't be involved in discussions regarding the Arena which is something I would prefer because out of them all, Steve seems to know what he is doing.

We are lucky to have Waggott. He seems to be the only one at our club that seems to know what he is doing. But his job isn't running the finances at our club. I would say he is told how much he has to play with and then he does his best with it.

We don't know if Nikki and Ann have spoken. They wouldn't need to call a meeting where everyone needs to know. A meeting like this wouldn't help anything though. Nikki is nothing to do with CCC or SISU. During admin both sides should keep out of the media. Timothy couldn't. ACL did. ACL still don't keep going to the media. This is the way it should be done. The problem is we are left guessing what is going on.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

at least ann Lucas is a genuine city supporter. before she was on the council i remember she used to sit in the sky blue stand at highfield road.

If Seppala has any genuine feelings about our club she would have been see from the start. what's she got to hide ?

You say firstly about Ann Lucas and the fact that Ann is a genuine City supporter which I am happy for her and aware of.

However compare that to Joy Seppala, who is Finnish/American and has no connection to the City of Coventry other than it being investment of the company that she is in charge of.

I think it's doubtful that Seppala has any genuine feelings for our club, for the fans or anyone involved in the club, after all its a business investment for SISU. Hedgefunds are sharks remember that.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

We are lucky to have Waggott. He seems to be the only one at our club that seems to know what he is doing. But his job isn't running the finances at our club. I would say he is told how much he has to play with and then he does his best with it.

We don't know if Nikki and Ann have spoken. They wouldn't need to call a meeting where everyone needs to know. A meeting like this wouldn't help anything though. Nikki is nothing to do with CCC or SISU. During admin both sides should keep out of the media. Timothy couldn't. ACL did. ACL still don't keep going to the media. This is the way it should be done. The problem is we are left guessing what is going on.

Completely agree about Waggott.

Nikki may not have anything to do with either side, however if her story is true Nikki is an avid Football Fan and just doesn't what to see clubs go down the same road as her own. I am partly grateful that Nikki is trying to act as a mediator to speak to both sides and try and resolve the issue. Her motives for doing this are either kind hearted or purely for her own beneift.

The choice on that is yours.

 

[Astute]

You say firstly about Ann Lucas and the fact that Ann is a genuine City supporter which I am happy for her and aware of.

However compare that to Joy Seppala, who is Finnish/American and has no connection to the City of Coventry other than it being investment of the company that she is in charge of.

I think it's doubtful that Seppala has any genuine feelings for our club, for the fans or anyone involved in the club, after all its a business investment for SISU. Hedgefunds are sharks remember that.

And this is our problem. Joy isn't bothered what happens to our club. They are not here for fun or the love of our club. They have put in approx 25m into our club which is now a debt and keep taking fees out which also adds to the debts. Of course they will want it back.

They have two main ways of doing it. Either get the Ricoh cheaply or get us promoted. If they get us promoted they will need us at a bigger ground. All the rest of it is a total guess.

 

[Astute]

Completely agree about Waggott.

Nikki may not have anything to do with either side, however if her story is true Nikki is an avid Football Fan and just doesn't what to see clubs go down the same road as her own. I am partly grateful that Nikki is trying to act as a mediator to speak to both sides and try and resolve the issue. Her motives for doing this are either kind hearted or purely for her own beneift.

The choice on that is yours.

She is an MEP without a party. She will need to win votes as an independent. Maybe she sees it as if it looks like she has helped get us back in Coventry that she will have got a major vote winner.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

And this is our problem. Joy isn't bothered what happens to our club. They are not here for fun or the love of our club. They have put in approx 25m into our club which is now a debt and keep taking fees out which also adds to the debts. Of course they will want it back.

They have two main ways of doing it. Either get the Ricoh cheaply or get us promoted. If they get us promoted they will need us at a bigger ground. All the rest of it is a total guess.

Agree with the sentiment. However it is mine (and I am sure I'm not alone) that the Club and the Arena should be united. It's just a shame that the only people who are probable to unite it are SISU.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

She is an MEP without a party. She will need to win votes as an independent. Maybe she sees it as if it looks like she has helped get us back in Coventry that she will have got a major vote winner.

It's highly possible, although I suppose after all the rubbish this club has been through it's hard to believe as fans that anyone trying to help our situation doesn't have an altieror motive after all its what we expect..

 

[Astute]

Agree with the sentiment. However it is mine (and I am sure I'm not alone) that the Club and the Arena should be united. It's just a shame that the only people who are probable to unite it are SISU.

Only an idiot wouldn't want the same.

The problem is that who would trust SISU to own it? They are not in it for our club. They are in it to make money. So whatever would make them the most money is the route they would take. We can all guess what this is. It is a major worry for me though.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ RoboCCFC90.....So if what you state is true, why would Ann Lucas not talk to Nikki Sinclaire and put her point across? ...........................................................................................................................................................................Could it be that Nikki Sinclaire lays all the blame on ACL/CCC?...(Which she does btw)

 

[fernandopartridge]

@ RoboCCFC90.....So if what you state is true, why would Ann Lucas not talk to Nikki Sinclaire and put her point across? ...........................................................................................................................................................................Could it be that Nikki Sinclaire lays all the blame on ACL/CCC?...(Which she does btw)

Is that a reason to not meet with her then? Surely it's more a reason to meet with her, to put her straight?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

@ RoboCCFC90.....So if what you state is true, why would Ann Lucas not talk to Nikki Sinclaire and put her point across? ...........................................................................................................................................................................Could it be that Nikki Sinclaire lays all the blame on ACL/CCC?...(Which she does btw)

That's actually a good point SBK, one I had completely forgotten, however you would think that with Joy running to tell Nikki whatever she wants to hear and Ann Lucas not willing to talk, it's going to look slightly bad.

The blame is with both sides, however in that statement released by Nikki Sinclaire I am sure there was a part of it that said Joy excepts responsibility for past mistakes.