thaiskyblue
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no wind up, this is not our club anymore, we have to do something, i'm tired of watching sisu destroy this once proud club.
Fans fighting outside sixfields (15 Viewers)
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I think you only need look at away games and the passion of the fans to realise this is still very much our club and not beyond saving by any stretch.
thaiskyblue
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yes passion shown by people who 1, want to play in cov, and 2, most , want the owners out.
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Personally I can see the merit in starting again.
However, those bitching about those going being selfish appeasing scabs, probably wouldn't like it if I turned it around and suggested that those going are prolonging the club's life, increasing the chances of it finding a way to return as a result, and be united with ground. They're also increasing the chance of the club being taken over by new owners.
Meanwhile, by not going, the rest of us are showing we're fair weather fans, weak willed, easily give up the fight and clearly don't love the club as we claim to, because just a few short weeks and already we're writing its epitaph in melodramatic ways. We are the ones you wouldn't rely on in a fight as we wave the white flag.
Of course it'd be daft for me to call those of us who don't go weak willed, lily livered and not real fans of the club, utterly daft.
And worse, divisive.
But it's just as good an argument as the one given the other way around, and people would be wise to remember that.
Sky Blue Kid
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sisu go home...SISU can be blamed for a lot, but people reacting to each other like that is not something they can be blamed for....................................................................................Sorry mate but to me it's all SISU's fault full stop. Ask yourself this. Who was it that took our Club to play 35 miles away? In doing this they knew it would cause a rift between those fans that would NOT go inside Sixfields, and those that would. This Septic split-arse knew EXACTLY what would happen. Don't get me wrong here, I don't condone the violence between City supporters, but this is the start of the downfall of CCFC. What happens when or if CCFC return to Coventry??? How will the vast majority take to the(In their eyes) turncoat fans if they're recognised in the Ricoh? Just a thought, which I'll bet nobody thought of!
thaiskyblue
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going to the game is giving in , it kills me not to go , but i'm adamant, yes adamant, not adam ant," stand and deliver, sisu ".
letsallsingtogether
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Nothing what you haven't thought of is that the supporters on the hill are just as passionate as those going in, unfortunately there is a low percentage on both sides that are will try to hijack it for there own means these are the ones that will lose out.
I stand on the Hill and know quite a few that go in I have no animosity against them they are still my friends and actually stand next to them at away fans and drink with then before and after the match
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I stand on the Hill and know quite a few that go in I have no animosity against them they are still my friends and actually stand next to them at away fans and drink with then before and after the match
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thaiskyblue
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thaiskyblue
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could you slip a reality pill into their pint, (joking ).
Grendel
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Only people with a twisted mind would think that. If we ever go back and the bloke next to went so what?
One idiot on here has already said they should be banned.
Sky Blue Kid
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@ letsallsingtogether......I think you're taking my post out of context mate, I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying, but, as has been said...Morons will try to disrupt anything and everything. I know people who go Into Sixfields, and I know a couple that stand on "Jimmy's Hill", BUT! I know lots of people that don't/won't go to Sixfields, and are angry with those that do. I'm looking at things from all angles. Some have boasted on here about certain fans in block xyz saying that so and so is a shit player, and have so close to banging them in the mouth......How I wish this was as simple. My personal opinion is this...We are sitting on a time bomb! Will it explode..or won't it! Time will tell.
thaiskyblue
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i hope it's just heart ruling head and it's just words, but at leeds their was big problems over KEN BATES, people started boycotting, and what we have developing here turned into violence, i believe sky blues fans are better than that, but feelings and passions are running high, will Fisher dare to fan the flames again ?
Hobo
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If we don't go SISU will have to listen?
If we don't go they will wind us up quicker?
Would someone else come in and buy us?
None of us know these answers. What I do know is as a club we are not profitable. So Seppala has drawn her battle lines, yes!
But we still don't know whether that is just pressure to force ACL to renegotiate? Or indeed she really does intend to build a stadium?
We don't know whether SISU can fund us for 8 yrs, 1yrs, 6 months, another week?
Perhaps even SISU don't know!
It's a precarious situation. So each individual has to follow their own head and heart and we have to all respect each other as fans.
Fans never agree on all sorts of issues....but one thing I think we all have in common is we want to support Coventry City FC representing Coventry in Coventry.
If we don't go they will wind us up quicker?
Would someone else come in and buy us?
None of us know these answers. What I do know is as a club we are not profitable. So Seppala has drawn her battle lines, yes!
But we still don't know whether that is just pressure to force ACL to renegotiate? Or indeed she really does intend to build a stadium?
We don't know whether SISU can fund us for 8 yrs, 1yrs, 6 months, another week?
Perhaps even SISU don't know!
It's a precarious situation. So each individual has to follow their own head and heart and we have to all respect each other as fans.
Fans never agree on all sorts of issues....but one thing I think we all have in common is we want to support Coventry City FC representing Coventry in Coventry.
thaiskyblue
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I agree but sisu are in my opinion are," sowing the seeds of doubt", to cause confusion and division.
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Whatever SISU do, nobody forces us to divide ourselves and set fan against fan.
Thankfully it's a minority who do that, unfortunately they're often the vocal ones.
thaiskyblue
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true but it will happen, the majority need to be vocal about it.
Mr T - Sukka!
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Isnt this been blown out of all proportion?
Was anyone arrested? I have not heard they were. Did anyone require hospital treatment?
If its just a little scuffle that was quickly broken up between 2 people then its not the end of the world. This happens quite a lot at games all over the country.
If its going to escalte and more and more people get involved next time there maybe an issue.
Anyway i will never see it as i will never ever go to Northampton.
Was anyone arrested? I have not heard they were. Did anyone require hospital treatment?
If its just a little scuffle that was quickly broken up between 2 people then its not the end of the world. This happens quite a lot at games all over the country.
If its going to escalte and more and more people get involved next time there maybe an issue.
Anyway i will never see it as i will never ever go to Northampton.
thaiskyblue
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Absolutely agree , but i'm waiting for a Fisher statement about it, a chance for sisu spin here, they normally oblige.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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...I'm waiting to hear the opinions of Barrack Obama, Noel Gallagher & Felicity Kendal on this earth shattering event too...
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Obama states. "We will be sending in troops to quell this uprising"
Noel states "you gotta roll with it"
Felicity refused to be interviewed as she is a devout Christian,though she has promised to send some organic home grown herb to the hilliers.
Bound to happen sooner or later - the Hill protest IS provocative and seems to be aimed at the fans inside the ground rather than the owners which is a real shame. Michael is not really listening though as he is on a bit of a mission - however misjudged or pointless.
jaytskyblue
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You are the chap on GMK who repeatedly calls people on here 'Nazi Youth', so shut up and take a look at yourself.
Hugh Jarse
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Sadly, yet another example of a tin pot website with a Moderator who thinks he's God. I fear if the trouble persists, we lose all credibility and are thus, fukced!
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Genuine lolz
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The moderator for that website appears to have changed this morning, so it seems people do take note 
Hobo
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The situation may be blown out of proportion...all verbals it seems. The above is your take on people on the hill, I have to respect that. Provocative can apply to both camps.
But my take is this: people on the hill show they are prepared to follow Coventry, but not support SISU or put money in their pocket. To suggest they are there for free view is an insult to these fans who have spent loads of money on Coventry over the years. However, yes they might see a bit of the game, they might be heard by the team and can try and offer support.
People in the ground, also spent a lot of money following Coventry....most want to support the Team not necessarily SISU, although some do.
People who go to Northampton are our hardcore fans....they should respect they may have different views on the solution....But they still want Coventry City FC to move forward And prosper....survive?
Our fight is not with ourselves remember that!
shmmeee
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Would that be worse? Or better?
How long before that majority that won't go become a majority who want an alternative club or an end to this misery. I know I'm going that way, last week I felt I was done with the club, if it gets to the end of the season with the same state of play that feeling will probably become reality.
And still, still, no-one has come forward to explain how Sisu plan to make our club profitable! No-one!
Where will the £4m/year come from? Or is this our playing budget now? What about next season?
Like it or not, unless you want the club to die we need someone who is willing to take a punt financially. Otherwise we end up with the most well run club in the Sunday League. We're not competitive at the moment and are bleeding money and only have about 5 senior players, what exactly will it take? Or are Baker and Murphy supposed to be so overpaid we're still blaming previous financial mismanagement?
None of it makes sense and no-one will ask any fucking questions.
If Joy/Tim/God came down tomorrow and laid out how she plans to meet the club's funding shortfall in the future, I'd be straight on board. But it's been getting on for a year now and the best we have is "It's exciting" well that may well be love, but I'd rather you didn't use my club as some kind of rich persons adventure weekend and actually looked at whether your crackpot plan is going to turn the club around.
You (NW) frequently say you'd be on board when they start building (and I'm the same) and that we can't go on at the Ricoh, but why? What income are we expecting and as you can't count non-footballing income in FFP how in the hell will it help us on the pitch?
italiahorse
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Don't you need to know 'exactly' what he says before you condemn a whole website community?
italiahorse
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Sounds good.... Liquidate us, and some one would snap us up at zero value. No debt.
Thanks to SISU all the team and the golden share is in the same company (currently!! ).
Someone could buy the Ricoh and get the team for a song.
No future with SISU
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That what the owners of wimbledon were hoping for when they moved to milton keynes but the fans were not stupid and refused to follow.
thaiskyblue
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wish it was that easy, but i don't feel they would liquidate, they would want some kind of pay off, but just to come out with scare tactics, like liquidation threats , shows what low life they are. sisu out, nopm, pusb.
italiahorse
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Rangers were liquidated ... but a few more years and they will be back.
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I've said often enough since the McGinnity board sold the family silver rather than take the hit and administration, that the steady inevitable circle of decline is worse to me than the short sharp shock of death and rebirth. One thing's for sure now, we're at a stage where things have been brought to a head one way or another, and frankly I think this is better full-stop than more and more steady decline and firefighting, in ever decreasing circles.
So I can live with the death of the club. Don't want it, but I can live with it. It's sticking heads in sand to deny this is a very real possibility however, and also sticking heads in sand to suggest that it's anything other than us not giving money that ultimately causes this. frankly, the sooner football becomes aware it can't rely on blind loyalty of fans the better, but that also needs a wider commitment to stop buying Sky, stop funding the ridiculous scenarios where it's top heavy with money going majorly to the top flight, meaning countless owners play with countless clubs who've been here long before, in the hope they can sneak the promotion for that top heavy boost to income, then do a runner ASAP.
But let's be open about this instead of hiding behind excuses that those going are the ones killing the club because they're not. The sooner we stop turning on soft and meaningless targets the better, because the conclusion of this will see a team back in Coventry at some point, and that team will need you, me, Adam Richman, Bob Carolgees whoever to want to go and see the team, so let's make it a more unpleasant experience than it is already by our own actions!
I'll take this at a slight digression, i'm really not sure it's about making it profitable. Explaining using an example, I'll suggest a company I worked for who were bought out for £9mil. the four owners all split that between them, and were quite happy(!) The company had made a loss all its life however, and indeed the loss was increasing year on year. What the new owners had bought was the awareness of the brand, the presence in the market... now this was probably what SISU were looking at originally. Pay off the money owed on best, buy in Dann, Fox, Eastwood et al and hope the increased presence in the market means someone pays them more for the club.
I'd suggest SISU would be quite happy to have the club bought for cash, with an ability for it to service its remaining debts. not to offset them for a future date, not to write some down, not to have contingent liabilities payable on promotion etc. etc. The discourse around this is all wrong. Some of this is (wilfully?) misleading from our owners of course... Having failed with that plan however, there's an alternative way to look at it. Pull the club back to a position where it doesn't haemorage money and it becomes a far more saleable proposition. yes, that includes sorting the Ricoh issue and yes, that includes pulling back the playing budget. In theory(!) however, that doesn't have to mean we slide and slide. I appreciate now is the wrong time to point this out
but our average crowds were third(?) highest in this division last season. By definition, if all is equal, that gives us a competitive advantage over most teams in this division, as that competitive advantage comes, gates rise, and so on... but to take advantage of these gates, like it or not you need what goes with it, else you're fighting with the teams who have the lowest average gates, but with the expectation from fans of a playing budget befitting the average attendance. That just doesn't work, and so you cut the budget, the team slips, gates slide... we're back to that ever decreasing circle. The way out of that is to do something so you hold that natural competitive advantage again.What a ground also gives you is an asset on the books, which can raise your sale price. own nothing, and nobody will buy you apart from... somebody like SISU. And if it's selling from SISU to SISU Mk 2 that's going to delay the inevitable.
(Now of course is the time for the Frankie Muniz/Brian McFadden/Eddie Jordan dream team to come forward!)
It then depends what you want from a club. take away the Northants issue (yes, yes I know!) but certain things around this club buy into what I want my club to be! In my formative years I remember reading an article in Shoot! by Mark Hately, said he joined Coventry as a youth because they were known for being friendly, known for giving players a chance. This was my identity with the team, and this is something that has slowly come back. Amongst all the shit, one of the surprising things to me is that SISU have kept (and seem willing to keep) funding the academy. If I were a ruthless investment fund looking to turn the club around quickly, it'd have been one of the first things I'd have culled! An academy only pays its way over time, if you're lucky, so the expense of keeping it open probably doesn't look good on the balance sheet short term, especially as players from it have no monetary value as assets on the books. the fact it's still here (and they make moves to repair damage with the Higgs Centre rather than winding it up) does hint at a long term commitment. Surprising, but true.
But... that has to be funded too. What I'd assume, reducing it to base finances, is they'd aim for an upscaling of Crewe, where the occasional player sale funds the costs. Where that fits into an investment fund like SISU I do find curious and yes, this is the question I'd like nswering as although it's logical, and a reasonable approach for a football club it doesn't tally with what I'd expect from them. maybe I'm wrong? Maybe they are in it for the long haul, it'd be nice to have it explained how it benefits them to be in it for the long haul however. I can see why it's possibly bad form to explain why our club benefits them, but it might be useful in this instance, as not explaining gives rise to worst case scenario.
Anyway, I've rambled and digressed
but increasing income streams isn't surprising in a grand scheme of how to make a club profitable. Won't make the difference by itself of course, you also need to cut costs elsewhere (wages!) and long term that's where an academy comes in useful of course.I'd argue the club can get to a position where it's competitive, and solvent. Question is, would the fans be happy with this, or would they demand some cash spunked on players to give it a go? Another formative memory is we'd just sacked Don Mackay, narrowly survived under Curtis and Sillett, and people were writing into the paper complaining we weren't trying to sign Bryan Robson! Bearing in mind he was England captain and playing for the richest club in England, not surprising!What we've been hamstrung by, for years, is the ratcheting up of debt and selling off of assets means we have no way to sink naturally to our base level, where we're set to sink to is far below that... but fan expectation has delivered us an unholy mess of trying to compete 'at our level' in a cut price way. So we get our big name player, shame it's Tim Sherwood!
I'd rather have an ambitious but realistic club myself than one determined to push itself over the brink, surely the past few years have taught us that?
Whether that tallies with the reason for SISU to exist here I'm not convinced, but for whatever reason they are making noises in that respect. The proof will, of course, be in the pudding. What I can say is it's their responsibility to deliver the tangible evidence to back up their rhetoric. I'd be open minded enough however that if they do (as per the academy still being here) to accept my assumptions were wrong. Stay in the entrenched position at all costs and that buys into the entire rhetoric around this, where the financial protagonists are indeed all entrenched!
I suspect I've digressed, but I'm bored myself now and can't be bothered to delete this having written it