Finally acknowledged the ccfc will never own a stadium under sisu (20 Viewers)
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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And that's an accusation that's been made in private to me by SISU's legal advisors. Which is comical. But interesting coming from a new 'contributor'.
I've been posting on forums for longer than ACL have even existed; and met many folk at games from GMK and here. As such, you're insinuation is as flawed as your woeful defence of the Twitter flap...
fernandopartridge
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Cringe off. He's merely laying out the facts as they stand. The ransom note I thought has been delivered by CCFC being kept hostage in Northampton.
bezzer
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Firstly I don't want CCC owning the ground or having anything to do with my football club.
In an ideal world I'd like SISU to own the ground so our club can then play there. Also in this ideal world I'd like SISU to then sell the ground and CCFC as a 'package'. As long as it wasn't to Hoffman, PH4 and Mr Coventry.
As we don't live in this ideal world then I'd go along with letting SISU buy the ground from CCC and for CCFC to play in our City.
But from reading many posts on here, even if CCFC under SISUs ownership played at the Ricoh again, a lot of people wouldn't attend matches :facepalm:
torchomatic
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I've said it on the million other threads on this subject in the past and I'll say it again. If PH4 bought CCFC would the Club own it or one of his companies?
shy_tall_knight
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Bezzer I would "ideally" like the same as you, what worries me and so many other fans is SISU's need to make a return on their investment, their investment includes the continued operating losses under their ownership. Both myself and SISU have no clue how to turn a loss making club with little or no assets into a saleable entity that will raise £60m + to give them their return on investment. They seem to want the stadium for next to nothing and could either sell the club + stadium as a package or as most fear will sell the stadium on to a SISU group company having tied the club into an onerous lease £1m+, exactly what the club was complaining about previously.
bezzer
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lewys33
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What is the meaning of life?
bigfatronssba
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In whatever walk of life I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. PH4 has done nothing to make me think he would damage the club, sisu on the other hand......
Interesting. So others also suspect you are ACL director Peter Knatchbull Hugessen too. Regardless, you are a coward with an agenda, without the guts to put a name to your childish, abusive behaviour
torchomatic
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That wasn't the question. The question was would CCFC own the Ricoh or would it be one of his companies?
bezzer
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So you gave SISU the benefit of doubt too?
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Personally, I did - until they proved by their actions that they no longer deserved it.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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So you advocate putting passport photos, home addresses and some utility bills up here to verify our identities and therefore views, eh? How about a Experian credit report, so that you can ignore the view of the poor, or financially errant? Or a doctor's slip if you're absent from the board for a day?
I have an agenda, yes. Watching the football team I've supported since a boy - when my father took me to watch my first game; playing football in my home town, with owners who can muster at least a semblance of honestly in it's interaction with its 'customers'.
In that regard, congratulations; you've outed me. You may be new on here, but a wily fox with a sabre-mind, without question. I'll have to remember to get an early night next time I have the temerity to spar with your wit and wisdom....
DazzleTommyDazzle
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Unless you really are David Speedie, that's a very odd post.
If you are, I wish you hadn't gone to Liverpool.
bigfatronssba
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Probably one of his companies, I was in agreement with you on that.
However as osb58 points out its irrelevant on the face of it who owns the stadium. What is important is that the stadium is run in a professional way, ccfc gain the benefits, and Ccfc and acl be part of the same group.
I see nothing to stop sisu liquidating the loss making club, and to just sell on the Ricoh at a profit.
Even if that doesn't happen, I still don't believe they have the competency to run something like the Ricoh arena. They make awful business decisions, they would probably just move the Ricoh into a loss making company.
bigfatronssba
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Yes, I was happy when they took over.
Are you suggesting I should have been hostile back then when I knew nothing about them?
shy_tall_knight
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The answer will become apparent in the next 6 months following the judicial review. If as expected SISu's appeal fails then SISU might be forced to re-evaluate their strategy. Northampton can't be sustained for another season irrespective of what SISU claim, the increased losses plus dilution of the fan base will be causung the SISU investors to challenge Tim & Joy. Northampton was never the answer.
Nick
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To be fair, Peter does have his own account and nothing has been flagged to say they are the same person.
blueflint
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bezzer
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No far from it. I'm glad you have an open mind when it comes to ground ownership like you did when it came to club ownership.
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Unless there is some unintended irony here, I presume you are shortly going to reveal your true identity.
torchomatic
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True. However, we all know that many on the, how can I put it, the ACL "side" do have more than one account to back up their own point-of-view. Would that be a fair comment?
It's the ridiculous scratching of the chin "you must be a SISU plant" paranoia of MMM and others that really annoys. Annoys me anyway.
It's the ridiculous scratching of the chin "you must be a SISU plant" paranoia of MMM and others that really annoys. Annoys me anyway.
ajsccfc
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What the hell? That's a bit mental.
Nick
Administrator
Yep, nothing is ever 100% and there are ways around it. It does flag a fair few though and some have been closed or merged and a couple I have left for the comedy value of seeing them back themselves up
bigfatronssba
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Yes I hope you have too. Let's explore all avenues. Why not get the council to build a ground and the club can rent it?
I'm sure you will be in favour of at least considering this as we have to have an open mind and not let preconceived ideas affect our judgement.
AppleandBlackcurrant
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and you really believe that currently the Ricoh is being run to its full potential? For the benefit of the people of Coventry?
bezzer
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True. The posts which contain 'SHITSU' 'shitfields' 'fishface' are usually backed up by users who also use the same witty play on words
lewys33
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Yep, nothing is ever 100% and there are ways around it. It does flag a fair few though and some have been closed or merged and a couple I have left for the comedy value of seeing them back themselves up
Can't you name and shame?
bezzer
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I don't want the Council having anything to do with CCFC. Being open minded I see there's more than one villain in this mess, the council being one of them.
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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If it's the paranoia you assert, you'll doubtless be able to point me in the direction of a post where I've made that claim of someone?
Ironically, I have been accused of being an ACL 'plant' - both by SISU's legal team, and this new character on here. Which is kind of ironic, no?
And if you want me to be quite frank; no, I'm not PKH, but it was he who first informed me of SISU's solicitor's claims. I'm sure he won't mind me making public private correspondence in that regard - as it's true
bigfatronssba
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So we have to be open minded with sisu and accept that mistakes have happened but believe that they will be better in the future, but when it comes to the council we judge them on decisions made 10 years ago?
That's a very open minded and progressive argument you've got there.
sky blue john
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A couple of points i would like to raise. I read the article where does the figure of 7million come from other than the title ?
I don't in principle have a problem with Sisu purchasing the Ricoh for 7 million. Obviously there would be conditions. If they are purchasing the stadium for such a paltry amount then they should except conditions imposed and if not no deal. The conditions would be that the Ricoh and the club are in the same company and can not be split. This will protect the club from paying rent. The other condition is that the Ricoh can not be borrowed against. If these sort of covenants are not put in place what would stop Sisu from charging ccfc high rent. Or worse buy the Ricoh for 7 million one day the next take out a 70million loan against it crippling the club !!!!!!!
I don't in principle have a problem with Sisu purchasing the Ricoh for 7 million. Obviously there would be conditions. If they are purchasing the stadium for such a paltry amount then they should except conditions imposed and if not no deal. The conditions would be that the Ricoh and the club are in the same company and can not be split. This will protect the club from paying rent. The other condition is that the Ricoh can not be borrowed against. If these sort of covenants are not put in place what would stop Sisu from charging ccfc high rent. Or worse buy the Ricoh for 7 million one day the next take out a 70million loan against it crippling the club !!!!!!!
bezzer
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Where have I said I accept the mistakes SISU have made? You asked me who I wanted to own the ground. I said I didn't want the council owning it. I don't want SISU owning it either!! But if we want CCFC back in Coventry, in the short term that may have to be the bitter pill we've got to swallow!
As I've said before, show me how we're going to get CCFC back at the Ricoh?
Come on, show me your progressive argument.