Annoyance is Growing (4 Viewers)

[Tonylinc]

Unless you have a crystal ball, you don't actually know, do you?

Hey, I think they're greedy scumbags as well, and I certainly know how hedge funds operate, but nobody can say what they will do because there's no evidence, is there? They are unwilling to share such information, if they even have it themselves, with us plebs.

I don't need a crystal ball to know what would happen if they ever got their hands on the Ricoh and so do you.

 

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[Nick]

I think we have learnt to not try and predict what sisu do as they are a bit un predictable.

 

[The Penguin]

I don't need a crystal ball to know what would happen if they ever got their hands on the Ricoh and so do you.

No. I don't "know".

I have a theory. My theory is that if they own the ground we still won't really benefit from it very much. We'll probably end up still renting our own ground (albeit for less than a million quid a bloody season) and won't enjoy all the revenue benefits while SISU take a percentage for themselves as "return on their investment".

Unless they come out and say that this is what they intend to do though, or until it actually happens, it is a theory, nothing more.

 

[Astute]

I think we have learnt to not try and predict what sisu do as they are a bit un predictable.

You can predict that they will always do what is best for themselves and never what is best for CCFC or their fans.

 

[The Penguin]

I think we have learnt to not try and predict what sisu do as they are a bit un predictable.

Oh, I agree.

Unfortunately, given we currently exist in a vacuum of information, we as supporters are left with no other alternative but to try and predict what they will do.

 

[Tonylinc]

No. I don't "know".

I have a theory. My theory is that if they own the ground we still won't really benefit from it very much. We'll probably end up still renting our own ground (albeit for less than a million quid a bloody season) and won't enjoy all the revenue benefits while SISU take a percentage for themselves as "return on their investment".

Unless they come out and say that this is what they intend to do though, or until it actually happens, it is a theory, nothing more.

You know very well what will happen and will ot be good news for CCFC

 

[Tonylinc]

You know very well what will happen and will ot be good news for CCFC

Edit.....not

 

[Covstu]

why is it after every great result we have, I feel really optimistic and upbeat THEN I login to this site and see more depressing threads like this with same boring old arguments with the same tired old squabbles going on. Really getting bored of it all!

 

[Astute]

If you didnt like the thread why did you bother posting.

I agree that the club should be in Coventry....I thought you did too, so there is relevance in the post. You are just being a grumpy t**t.

Where have I ever said that I don't want us playing in Coventry?

The difference with some of our supporters to the majority of our supporters as well as myself is that we fear for our clubs future. Letting the Ricoh go to SISU for a fraction of it's true value wouldn't make our future safe. Letting them have the freehold wouldn't give them the pie money that some say would give us a massive cash boost. What it would do is give one part of SISU the freehold to do what they want with. Would that be to pile up debt against in the name of CCFC? If so this would make liquidation a reality. Not only would we not have a club but also not have a place for a new club to play.

So more or less giving them the ground would bring us back to Coventry. How long would this last for? So what is wrong in looking more long term to the future than a season or two? So why does looking towards a more secure future for our club make me a grumpy t**t?

 

[sky blue john]

Sisu own the club. Sisu are a mercenary hedge fund so I'd expect them to charge rent. Ten times the league average like the caring sharing council? Who knows.

Pointless discussion though - the thread is a simple judgement. Do you want the club back in Coventry whatever the consequence for all other parties? I do.

You really are a hypocrite and incapable of serious debate !!!!!!!

 

[Astute]

Sisu own the club. Sisu are a mercenary hedge fund so I'd expect them to charge rent. Ten times the league average like the caring sharing council? Who knows.

Pointless discussion though - the thread is a simple judgement. Do you want the club back in Coventry whatever the consequence for all other parties? I do.

You say we should be back whatever. No morals or worry for our future Grendull?

You keep saying we need the pie money. Why not go for the leasehold then? They could sort out getting all income from the ground then. The ground would then be secure from SISU piling debt on it and being lost for the future of whatever club we have left once they have gone. You want them to have the freehold on the cheap so you don't have far to go to watch our club. How many away games do you do Grendull?

Yes I want our club home. Not to risk our long term future though. So you would be happy for this to happen.

 

[torchomatic]

I don't need a crystal ball to know what would happen if they ever got their hands on the Ricoh and so do you.

You do. Because you don't know, you're guessing. City could stay in Nirthampton because of your paranoia.



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[torchomatic]

You really are a hypocrite and incapable of serious debate !!!!!!!

Ok, so forthright in his debate but that really is the stark choice we could face.

Perdonally I'd want us back at the Ricoh, SISU or not.

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[Astute]

All the the Tony's, James, letsalltalkbollocks, bigfatron, garypendry, not very astute would rather we stay in Northampton. Pendry lives in Spain so won't go anyway and James never leaves his £1 million house unless the legends play so I guess they have an excuse - they never go anyway.

And you want SISU to get the ground on the cheap as you can't be bothered to travel anywhere to see us play. Then spout your normal crap to say lots of us want our team to stay in Northampton. I suppose this is why we don't go to Northampton to watch our club.

 

[will am i]

You do. Because you don't know, you're guessing. City could stay in Nirthampton because of your paranoia.

You would f*** your club up for the long term for a quick fix just to get your team back in Cov. Im prepared to be patient until a long term deal which gives the club a chance of a long term sustainable future can be agreed. I dont think giving the freehold to SISU is that. I dont think handing over the freehold of the RIcoh to SISU would achieve that

 

[torchomatic]

You do. Because you don't know, you're guessing. City could stay in Nirthampton because of your paranoia.

You would f*** your club up for the long term for a quick fix just to get your team back in Cov. Im prepared to be patient until a long term deal which gives the club a chance of a long term sustainable future can be agreed. I dont think giving the freehold to SISU is that. I dont think handing over the freehold of the RIcoh to SISU would achieve that

I've said countless times with caveats of some kind.

Some moan about Northampton but would rather their team stayed there.

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[bigfatronssba]

I do wonder if those who want sisu to own the ground (it will be sisu remember, not ccfc) are the same fans who were begging the council to build a stadium 10 years ago? The council should have told the club to do one back then, administration would have followed but the club would have owned half the project.

The club under the vile Robinson and sisu ownership has tried to emotionally blackmail the Coventry taxpayer. Disgraceful really from a supposed community club.

Short term thinking like this is what has practically killed Coventry City. Yes we all want the club back, but if the situation just changes from the council being stadium owner to sisu being owner then what's the point?

This mess needs sorting out one and for all. If the club has to have a landlord I trust the collective representative of the Coventry people over a dodgy out of town hedge fund any day.

 

[will am i]

I've said countless times with caveats of some kind.

Some moan about Northampton but would rather their team stayed there.

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what are these caveats? SISU seem to want the freehold on their own terms and nothing else. I wouldnt agree to giving them the freehold. Anything else is up for discussion, but you have to watch the slippery bastards who seem able to move assets between companies at will

 

[Hobo]

I was at Wolves Yesterday. I live in Coventry. My house is not worth a million pounds.

We gave SISU our shares for free. They knew investing in a football club would cost money. For a financial institution their accounts have been shoddy. They have failed to convey their plans for the club or inspire confidence in the fans. We are in the worst position we have ever been organisationally.

The one glimmer of hope is we have a handful of youth players who the club means something too. SP seems to be coaching them well and forging their spirit.

Should SISU be given the Ricoh, or not pay the market value for it. No I dont. Lets face it if you add up the cost of moving to Northampton add on a new build they may as well make a reasonable offer for the Ricoh....except their game is they want it on the cheap.

They are the only reason we are in Northampton...I will only watch city away in those circumstances and have no guilt about it. Other people may have a different stance and I respect their freedom of choice.

 

[sky blue john]

I've said countless times with caveats of some kind.

Some moan about Northampton but would rather their team stayed there.

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I take it you will be on the council march ????
Just need to know so i can be ready with my sarcastic comments !!!
I would like to know what can be hoped to achieved other than a bit of comedy value ?

 

[torchomatic]

I do wonder if those who want sisu to own the ground (it will be sisu remember, not ccfc) are the same fans who were begging the council to build a stadium 10 years ago? The council should have told the club to do one back then, administration would have followed but the club would have owned half the project.

The club under the vile Robinson and sisu ownership has tried to emotionally blackmail the Coventry taxpayer. Disgraceful really from a supposed community club.

Short term thinking like this is what has practically killed Coventry City. Yes we all want the club back, but if the situation just changes from the council being stadium owner to sisu being owner then what's the point?

This mess needs sorting out one and for all. If the club has to have a landlord I trust the collective representative of the Coventry people over a dodgy out of town hedge fund any day.

I didn't want a new stadium. Yes the Council should have told us to fuck off. After all it's the council we care for most, isn't it?

The scenario would be the same regardless of who owns us. The Club will never own it's own stadium again.

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[will am i]

I didn't want a new stadium. Yes the Council should have told us to fuck off. After all it's the council we care for most, isn't it?

The scenario would be the same regardless of who owns us. The Club will never own it's own stadium again.

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No its the club we care about and you seem to want to panic and hand the Ricoh over to SISU who have shown they are incapable of running a football club, and to protect their own interests (not those of the club) have moved to Northampton. You seem to love SISU why not got to Northampton shake hands with Tim and show your support.

 

[Astute]

I didn't want a new stadium. Yes the Council should have told us to fuck off. After all it's the council we care for most, isn't it?

The scenario would be the same regardless of who owns us. The Club will never own it's own stadium again.

So our club won't ever own our own ground ever again as CCC don't want to be ripped off by a hedge fund?

I would go as far as saying we will never own our own ground again if SISU get the freehold.

 

[Grendel]

So our club won't ever own our own ground ever again as CCC don't want to be ripped off by a hedge fund?

I would go as far as saying we will never own our own ground again if SISU get the freehold.

We wouldn't if Haskell or any other business owner purchased the free hold either.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Trying to be objective and realistic (bearing in mind I support NOPM and KCIC ) I feel the only way out of this is for ACL and CCC to sell the Ricoh to SISU - I don't want SISU as owners, but I think it is the only way out. If SISU owns the whole lot, hopefully they will then sell to someone else. I don't want a "new" tin pot Stadium. Unless SISU own the Ricoh we are stuck with them - and Northampton. Hurts me to say this, but pressure should also be put equally on ACL, CCC and SISU.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

We wouldn't if Haskell or any other business owner purchased the free hold either.

That might be a very valid point Grendel- however the issue for me is, is that SISU took the football club away, in a clear demonstration of kidnap having previously committed an illegal act in withholding rent (however aggrieved SISU were with the amount it is not right). And for that I can never forgive them.
Would we go to the Ricoh if SISU brought us home-yes we would-wild horses couldn't keep us away- does that make me a hypocrite?- yes probably, but our love for our football club would conquer all in that circumstance.
Ideally they should leave.
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[thaiskyblue]

Trying to be objective and realistic (bearing in mind I support NOPM and KCIC ) I feel the only way out of this is for ACL and CCC to sell the Ricoh to SISU - I don't want SISU as owners, but I think it is the only way out. If SISU owns the whole lot, hopefully they will then sell to someone else. I don't want a "new" tin pot Stadium. Unless SISU own the Ricoh we are stuck with them - and Northampton. Hurts me to say this, but pressure should also be put equally on ACL, CCC and SISU.

I agree vor, want to see sky blues back in cov if sisu are prepared to pay for the ricoh ok, if they then they sell and "do one ", perfect !

 

[Astute]

We wouldn't if Haskell or any other business owner purchased the free hold either.

I would prefer to have the chance of someone uniting our club and ground. We know that SISU would keep them separate.

 

[bigfatronssba]

We wouldn't if Haskell or any other business owner purchased the free hold either.

So are you saying owning the ground isn't really necessary for the club?

 

[skybluetony176]

I dont care

are you really suggesting that it is the responsibility of a local authority to assist a faceless hedge fund who contains its profit off shore in the Cayman Islands secure more profit at a cost to the tax payers off Coventry?

how does that fulfil their elected role of serving the tax payer?

this is a fact that you, your fellow shitsu apologist and anyone else who doesn't care don't seem to be able to get a grip off. shitsu's only purpose is to serve their investors not the paying customers of one of the companies that they unfortunately own, however the council have a mandate to serve the community as a whole.

and before you even think of replying by indicating that i am happy that ACL have charged us too much rent, got us points deducted etc, i am not! i also cant do anything to change it, i can however vote with my feet and follow NOPM in an effort to force out the worst owners in football history before our club goes out of existence and that is all any off us can do. the sooner the minority realise that and stop propping up our hedge fund owners the sooner we can get rid off them.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

a and follow NOPM in an effort to force out the worst owners in football history before our club goes out of existence.

It will go out of existence far quicker if people don't give them cash...

Try and deny that all you like, but it's a truth that business without income, and owners unwilling to make up the funding gap = oblivion.

So please, if you think oblivion is preferable, fine (schmeee does for one) but don't try the ridiculous logic that not giving them cash will guarantee they pack up and go home with their tails between their legs!

 

[torchomatic]

I would prefer to have the chance of someone uniting our club and ground. We know that SISU would keep them separate.

Do you really think any new owner such a certain PROPERTY DEVELOPER from America is interested in a little ole football club? Or a nice big stadium?

Liked your post by accident but you can have that one on me.

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[skybluetony176]

It will go out of existence far quicker if people don't give them cash...

Try and deny that all you like, but it's a truth that business without income, and owners unwilling to make up the funding gap = oblivion.

So please, if you think oblivion is preferable, fine (schmeee does for one) but don't try the ridiculous logic that not giving them cash will guarantee they pack up and go home with their tails between their legs!

says who? not shitsu, remember they are here for the long haul. there is also no evidence to suggest that they wont throw the towel in and sell. google sisu/welcome break and look at their history in that involvement. one minute they are using litigation to block the restructuring of debt, the next they no longer seem to be involved in the company at all. yet some how welcome break still operate. tell me a reason why this cant happen with our club?

your the one mentioning oblivion not me. by doing research the only way i can see this wont happen is by doing everything to force shitsu out. you can take a Neville chamberlin approach if you like, i have realised that the only hope for our club is to be Winston Churchill.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

says who? .

Common sense and sub GCSE economics.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

your the one mentioning oblivion not me. by doing research the only way i can see this wont happen is by doing everything to force SISU out. you can take a Neville chamberlin approach if you like, i have realised that the only hope for our club is to be Winston Churchill.

I love analogies like this.

Let's ignore the fact that Chamberlain's position was actually initially the popular one at the time, people misguidedly followed it brainlessly, unable to think for themselves and following a mass movement.

Let's also ignore the fact that Churchill demanded Chamberlain in his cabinet as he trusted him, keeping out people Chamberlain had a personal antagonism to, such as lloyd george, as Churchill recognised that people coming together, working for the greater good rather than their own personal beliefs was the way forward, and he trusted Chamberlain to do the right thing...

Oh and btw, 'by doing research'?!? I assume from the David Icke school of research!