Les Reid - still at it ! (7 Viewers)

[hill83]

If you're not pro sisu why bite back and respond?

Because it pisses me off. Why are you even posting at all if this isn't your club anymore. Like you've said several times?

 

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[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

The thing is, their legal position isn't clear.....isn't that the point?

Well yes. That stated, we all know - right or wrong - the legal advice CCC are operating under; and they'll have rolled that down to ACL.

We understand the broad landscape of the legal position though. ACL's directors are bound by company law to protect the interests of their business first and foremost. They can factor in any benevolence they feel toward their tenant (forgive the 'cold' term, but that's what CCFC is to them), but they have to act in the best interests of their business.

The outcome of the administration process was that their tenant, who has already been found against in a court of law, would break a lease with a 40-year term outstanding. They would - of course - as landlord, have spoken with other bidders who engaged in the administration process. If one of those bidders expressed a intention to see out some, or all of thee lease - even at a reduced rate - then I cannot see how they could sanctify the administration process with it's eventual outcome with a positive CVA agreement?!?

There would be many reasons why they wouldn't agree to the outcome of the process; the process beginning at a time when the assets were unclear being to the detriment of some bidders, the suggested movement is assets from one CCFC business to another, etc. Who knows.

How they were interpreting their responsibilities are as yet unclear, and clouded doubtless by the JV process; but why they would have to factor in many issues within the context of the well-being of their own business and stakeholders is easy to understand

 

[hill83]

Telling people to piss off because you don't agree with their viewpoint or how they express it? Mature.

Yep.

 

[CovFan]

Not surprising really, trolling (from both sides of the argument) has really ruined this forum.

 

[hill83]

Not surprising really, trolling (from both sides of the argument) has really ruined this forum.

I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely annoyed. And to be fair I'm only telling him to piss off as he's going on about leaving anyway. Everyone is welcome.

 

[valiant15]

Because it pisses me off. Why are you even posting at all if this isn't your club anymore. Like you've said several times?

Old habits and that. Im here waiting for it to come home hopefully without the scum owners.

I don't care what anybody says but that team playing in that shitheap stadium isn't representing my city anymore. It's just a Sisu plaything at the moment for them to get what they want.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If you're not pro sisu why bite back and respond?

Because it's a moronic comment to make?

Look at it another way, if anybody was really pro-SISU, they'd be more than happy to say that themselves wouldn't they!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm all for views and debate. It's what this site is for. This is all getting very boring now though. Why are we going round and round in circles with virtually every thread?

We need a new statement to tear to shreds.

 

[covcity4life]

wait i was on my lunch,can you start again guys? reading it back it looks like the last hour was AMAZING.

im sure we can tempt gaz out of retirement?

 

[CJ_covblaze]

We need a new statement to tear to shreds.

Lets write one together. Team building idea.

 

[japandy]

It's a loaded question designed to try and illicit a certain response. It doesn't seem to have worked. It's not the first time they've tried to create a certain narrative either, one wonders what effect they are trying to cause.

GREAT points. SBDaz you can't seriously believe you can have a debate or conversation with a journalist as they thrive on reaction. Sorry but Les Reid is tuppence-halfpenny journalist who plays on people's feelings. I don't he is even a CCFC fan, like Eakin who supports Tranmere. IT'S THEIR JOB. The first thing people have to understand is WE DON'T PICK ON, OR ABUSE OTHER CCFC FANS, so stop cryticising each other. The media is 100% careless about our real plight. Les Reid is a reactionist which is, in my opinion, is not journalism. His job is to create a story. Eakin would be quite content to give up CCFC and concentrate on his beloved cricket, as with Foster with his ice hockey. The soon we stop fighting and start respecting each other the better.

 

[ajsccfc]

So we don't pick on Cov fans, unless we suggest that they're not real fans in order to pick on them?

 

[japandy]

So we don't pick on Cov fans, unless we suggest that they're not real fans in order to pick on them?

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head

 

[skybluefred]

Not enough characters for the punctution anyway.

Compiling our own dictionary then--that's different.

 

[RegTheDonk]

GREAT points. SBDaz you can't seriously believe you can have a debate or conversation with a journalist as they thrive on reaction. Sorry but Les Reid is tuppence-halfpenny journalist who plays on people's feelings. I don't he is even a CCFC fan, like Eakin who supports Tranmere. IT'S THEIR JOB. The first thing people have to understand is WE DON'T PICK ON, OR ABUSE OTHER CCFC FANS, so stop cryticising each other. The media is 100% careless about our real plight. Les Reid is a reactionist which is, in my opinion, is not journalism. His job is to create a story. Eakin would be quite content to give up CCFC and concentrate on his beloved cricket, as with Foster with his ice hockey. The soon we stop fighting and start respecting each other the better.

He reckons he was a ST holder at HR and is a City fan. Agree though that he should concentrate on reporting the facts from BOTH sides. Reporters are supposed to present the facts, not slant them in one way or the other. Otherwise he may has well just have a column to put his views - this is a failing of the CT Editor not doing his job.

Clive, Geoff and Stuart etc. are supposed to sit on the fence because its the BBC, and play devils advocate on the phone ins. We know they want the best for CCFC but you wouldn't have them trying to make up the listeners minds for them. Proper journalists, I would class them as.

 

[lift tower]

GREAT points. SBDaz you can't seriously believe you can have a debate or conversation with a journalist as they thrive on reaction. Sorry but Les Reid is tuppence-halfpenny journalist who plays on people's feelings. I don't he is even a CCFC fan, like Eakin who supports Tranmere. IT'S THEIR JOB. The first thing people have to understand is WE DON'T PICK ON, OR ABUSE OTHER CCFC FANS, so stop cryticising each other. The media is 100% careless about our real plight. Les Reid is a reactionist which is, in my opinion, is not journalism. His job is to create a story. Eakin would be quite content to give up CCFC and concentrate on his beloved cricket, as with Foster with his ice hockey. The soon we stop fighting and start respecting each other the better.

The annoying thing about Reid is how he retweets the tiniest bit of praise he gets but obviously isn't too happy when he is criticised.
The telegraph and cwr are reliant on CCFC to create stories and have space to fill and that's why you get the likes of Reid and Linnell trying to start needless debates out of nothing when they probably know that there wont be any decent news on the stadium front until the JR is done and dusted.

Private Eye magazine on the other hand has a history of matter of fact, in-depth no nonsense reporting..

 

[dongonzalos]

I think that Mr Reid does make some poor choices of words which can cause confusion.


I noticed that it would appear that he has signed the "Cov Back To Ricoh" Petition, so he could be described as supporting a view.

Then again so have the these people allegedly, for the following reasons, they have the most "likes".


J Seppela NEW YORK, NY

I fully endorse this petition. It is time that Ann Lucas & Martin Reeves told the Coventry public the truth. Keep up the good work Ms Sinclaire and Les Reid.


Timmy Fisher NORTHAMPTON, UNITED KINGDOM

I agree totally with Les Reid. Cov Council and ACL are totally to blame for this situation. Keep up the good work Les.


Justin D'Arce COVENTRY, UNITED KINGDOM

People of the stature of Les Reid and Nikki Sinclaire are not wrong. ACL / CCC are to blame for this mess and must be held to account. x



I do get the feeling that the above comments are not really the people they pretend to be. The way the petition is set up anyone could pretend to be anyone. I might be wrong. This is what causes a few problems for people. It is an example that of the sort of trolling happening on this subject. The individuals ideas are being twisted and hijacked by others.

The reason some have signed the petition appears to be because they think that Mr Reid and the petition owner is blaming ACL and the Council fully. it might be suggested by Mr Reid that it is their confusion not a sign that he is biased.

Much of the criticism towards Mr Reid is based on misinformation of others, and confusion of the words he has used.

I do question his choice of words, at times. The danger is that the press likes to claim neutrality, but writing a news story requires an opinion to express. The Neutral story is a boring read, a bullet point list of everything, by editing the list and fleshing out the points Mr Reid adds his own opinion. It is really hard to maintain a neutral approach in this way and I do feel he at times falls short of reaching that ideal.

The important thing here is that there needs to be a free press, but there also needs to be freedom to question the opinions of the press.

I think he dismissed the poll under his last telegraph article, which did not go his way. As a flawed poll. Never to be mentioned again.

Yet he made reference to the 800 signatures in just four days in the flawed petition.

Strange......

 

[tbh444]

This thread is full of 'bile' and 'unbalanced comments' apparently according to mr reid - can anyone actually spot and reference any specific bile (as opposed to, you know, differing opinions), I'd like to know? Oh and don't forget this whole forum is 'led by ACL' whatever that means

 

[asb]

This thread is full of 'bile' and 'unbalanced comments' apparently according to mr reid - can anyone actually spot and reference any specific bile (as opposed to, you know, differing opinions), I'd like to know? Oh and don't forget this whole forum is 'led by ACL' whatever that means

There are a few comments that might be seen as a personal attack on the ability, impartiality, and ego of Mr Reid spread throughout this forum (and the internet). They are however rare. He also gets a lot of support to counteract those opinions. The majority of the 'bile' is just criticism of the stories and tweets he produces, which is expressing a different opinion to him. Something that the majority of journalists understand happens when you write on stories that have a high degree of subjective facts.

I have said a few times that the press does need to be challenged to ensure it uses it freedom fairly. I think that having a journalist telling us that we are not allowed to judge their work, and, if we do we are full of bile, is completely wrong.

Mr Reid and the CET do not have to be impartial, there is nothing in the law that says they have to be. It is also not illegal to question the opinion of the press and the stories of any journalist. Mr Reid can also suggest that this forum is 'led by ACL' and I and sure he has the evidence to support that view otherwise he is acting just like those that he criticises.

 

[kmj5000]

And whilst you are at we want our 14 million back so we can keep some of our services we are having to cut.

The £14 m is a loan that will be repaid and interest is being received on it. It had no impact on the financing of services!

 

[Nick]

Was anybody moaning when the cet were digging the dirt on sisu and finding out about them?

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Was anybody moaning when the cet were digging the dirt on sisu and finding out about them?

That kind of post won't fool anyone - it's now in the open that you're running an "ACL led" forum

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Was anybody moaning when the cet were digging the dirt on sisu and finding out about them?

It's not balanced though Nick. Just look at his Twitter feed. It's a tirade of fare which seems anti-ACL. There was never anything like that when the spotlight was on SISU. I follow Mr Reid, and he certainly wasn't retweeting anti-SISU comments in the same way as he's almost joyfully prodding ACL.

Look at yesterday's Tweet at 2:25, for example: 'Just RTed 3 more people who still support council/ACL's actions in losing Coventry City 10 points this season'

Blimey, a whole 3 who subscribe to your view, from 4K+ followers, eh, Les? :facepalm:

 

[bigfatronssba]

Was anybody moaning when the cet were digging the dirt on sisu and finding out about them?

Yes.

Mainly because OSB on here had already found it out, pointed it out to Led Reid, who about a week later did a half arsed story about what OSB had found whilst claiming it as his own exclusive.

 

[ajsccfc]

I love the way newspapers claim exclusives. If you can ever guarantee you're about to read something you could have already read elsewhere but worded differently, it's when you see EXCLUSIVE in big font.

 

[Astute]

Was anybody moaning when the cet were digging the dirt on sisu and finding out about them?

The only problem is there is so much dirt to dig on SISU and the way they do things that the CET hadn't even got past the topsoil before trying to find something on ACL.

 

[jesus-wept]

And whilst you are at we want our 14 million back so we can keep some of our services we are having to cut.

That IS being repaid with interest.

 

[Astute]

That IS being repaid with interest.

And is a loan made by CCC and not a loan that has come from CCC. Some don't want to believe this or understand it though.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

IMO Is it because to attack CCC is easier as they have not threatened anyone with Litigation for things that have been said or might be said? :thinking about::thinking about:

Was anybody moaning when the cet were digging the dirt on sisu and finding out about them?

 

[Matty_CCFC]

IMO Is it because to attack CCC is easier as they have not threatened anyone with Litigation for things that have been said or might be said? :thinking about::thinking about:

Good point...

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

It would be nice to think that both sides might be a little more constructive in their choice of words in future.

Mind you, peace in the Middle East would be nice too.....

Based on the latest statement, peace in the Middle East looks much more likely!

 

[covcity4life]

Based on the latest statement, peace in the Middle East looks much more likely!

they are probably more reasonable over there too.

 

[Godiva]

they are probably more reasonable over there too.

They are! Keeping the women from driving ...

 

[duffer]

This is a difficult subject because I personally think that ACL did the right thing in rejecting the CVA. They did not agree with the administration process, which I think most of us will agree was not performed correctly, and therefore were obliged to reject the CVA in their own best interests.

This, however, does not mean I am happy with the points deduction. Of course I am not, but it is was almost inevitable given the situation and how flawed the entire process has been ever since SISU decided to boycott rent payments and stopped acting in good faith towards ACL.

Elegant summary, I agree entirely. If I could get it into 140 characters, I might even respond to LR, but to be honest I haven't got time for all of the aggro I'd probably end up with on twitter. At least here there's enough space to explain why one holds an opinion.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Based on the latest statement, peace in the Middle East looks much more likely!

Ye-es.

Bring back the silence!

Which tbf is the Catch 22. We want news, so we ask them for news... news isn't news until something actually happens though.