Have Waggott and Pressley got it right? (4 Viewers)

[lewys33]

[h=1]Alan Shearer: Southampton are a model for other English clubs[/h]

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25045079[/URL]

Southampton's record of developing young players makes them the "model" for English football to follow, says former England captain Alan Shearer.
Real Madrid's Gareth Bale and Arsenal's Theo Walcott followed Shearer through the club's academy as did Adam Lallana, who made his England debut last week.
"How can Southampton carry on churning out players whereas big clubs have struggled to do that?" asked Shearer.
"The answer, probably, is that they are giving their kids a chance."
Playing time for English under-21 players in the Premier League reached a new low last season, and Football Association chairman Greg Dyke is open to the exploration of a quota system for foreign players.
Although England qualified for next year's World Cup in Brazil by finishing top of their group, back-to-back friendly defeats by Chile and Germany have reignited the debate about the quality of players at national manager Roy Hodgson's disposal.
Shearer, who scored 43 goals for Southampton between 1988 and 1992, praised Saints for playing the likes of midfielder Lallana, 25, and England Under-21 internationals Luke Shaw, 18, and James Ward-Prowse, 19.
The trio have helped the club into third place in the Premier League, their best start to a top-flight season, under Argentine manager Mauricio Pochettino.
"It's refreshing that they are continuing to produce youngsters at an academy that has worked wonders over the years," said Shearer, 43.
"The money that football club has made out of their youth academy, it's a model for everyone to look at."
The BBC Match of the Day pundit said "one of the reasons" he chose to join Southampton as a schoolboy in 1986 was they have "always given players a chance".
"That started with Danny Wallace, Steve Williams, Matt Le Tissier, myself, Rod Wallace, Bale, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott - and the guys coming through now like Lallana, Shaw and Ward-Prowse," he added.
"That hasn't just happened this season, it's been happening for years. It's incredible and a model that a lot of people should look at."
The Premier League is attempting to give English youngsters more opportunities through its £320m Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP), where academies have been graded and more coaches recruited to help improve standards.
Shearer, who scored 30 goals in 63 England appearances, added: "It's an argument that youngsters are probably not getting a chance at bigger clubs because of the huge demand for success so they try and go out and buy it.
"I know plans are in place to try and correct that through the EPPP but Southampton have been doing that for years and years."

I read the above and couldn't help but think that this is very similar to what Steve Waggott is trying to achieve at our club, and I think he has got it right with the appointment of Pressley and with the development of our youth rather than signing over-rated "has beens" which is partly to blame for our fall to League 1. What do people think?

Who knows ....... maybe Barcelona will be bidding £200 mill for Callum Wilson in a few years? Wouldn't mind a "25% sell on clause" off of that!

 

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[covcity4life]

yeh we are definetly on the right track, we finnaly have a long term vision for the club, i just hope the club survives to see it through.

imagine if we kept bulk of youngsters for next 5 years, who knows where we could be? one would imagine championship at least.

 

[RFC]

Yes, yes, yes pusb!

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Southampton as Alan Shearer was quoted as saying in that piece is the model to follow, especially for us. So far we have Wilson, Thomas, Christie and Jordan Clarke in the starting line up who have all progressed through the youth and looking at some of the players in the past who have come through and gone on to do well is staggering. I hope the club keeps it going there is definately potential in the youth squads at the moment.

 

[thaiskyblue]

yes would love us to follow the southampton path back to better days, but i'm sorry we are back to our of the field matters, southampton had a very wealthy saints supporting bloke who put lot's of cash in , remember sisu tried and failed to get Southampton, also saw yesterday Rangers were brought by an isle of man hedge fund , good luck.

 

[diggerdaley]

What has Waggott done to deserve praise ? some of the signings we got rid of were his ,were they not,& the three this season are not setting the world on fire .He has been involved with two relegations us & Charlton. :thinking about:

 

[RoboCCFC90]

What has Waggott done to deserve praise ? some of the signings we got rid of were his ,were they not,& the three this season are not setting the world on fire .He has been involved with two relegations us & Charlton. :thinking about:

I don't think that's fair. Waggott in the time he has been here has brought in two decent managers and allowed them to spend in aid to the cause, just because some of the players we have brought in haven't been the bee's knnes it's not his fault after all the manager must want that type of player. I have met Steve Waggott and unlike Fisher he seems a good guy.

 

[lordsummerisle]

What has Waggott done to deserve praise ? some of the signings we got rid of were his ,were they not,& the three this season are not setting the world on fire .He has been involved with two relegations us & Charlton. :thinking about:

Christ, everybody was desperate to claim all the signings last season as Thorn signings, not Waggott(Until most of them turned out to be crap).

Thorn's final gift anyone?

 

[Si80]

Whilst I agree with Shearers sentiment that they are a team that give a chance to youngsters and so far seemed to have nurtured some excellent talent. The report sounds as if they've been a model club for years and doesn't mention that even though they took upto £25M for 3 players (Shearer, Walcott & Bale) leading upto 2009 they still ended up in administration and we're pretty close to extinction.

So whilst it's all well and good saying that they're doing the right thing, they still managed to get it wrong spectacularly. A decent team to watch now though, would be great to see them get a Europe spot (top 6) this year.

 

[Covstu]

isaid something on the same lines on a previous thread, the position Southampton were in ensured they had to play kids similar to us. Yes they have a better wage budget but the ethos is the same in breeding young blood which Southampton have done successfully for years. You need a mixture of bringing in experienced players and youngsters as we all found out what happens when you play all kids when we dropped out of the championship.

I have never been so optimistic about our team for a long while, lets get out home sorted and we can all enjoy it !

 

[kg82]

yes would love us to follow the southampton path back to better days, but i'm sorry we are back to our of the field matters, southampton had a very wealthy saints supporting bloke who put lot's of cash in , remember sisu tried and failed to get Southampton, also saw yesterday Rangers were brought by an isle of man hedge fund , good luck.

He came in after they were relegated to L1. Nothing to do with the youth they brought through then. Saints have always had a good youth system. Fair enough, he was able to bankroll some signings that gave them that extra quality in the lower leagues (before he died) but the youth system has always been there at saints.

 

[thaiskyblue]

He came in after they were relegated to L1. Nothing to do with the youth they brought through then. Saints have always had a good youth system. Fair enough, he was able to bankroll some signings that gave them that extra quality in the lower leagues (before he died) but the youth system has always been there at saints.

Agreed but his finance and genuine connection with the club helped, it's a real good job we have our young guns at the moment , or i dread to think what the situation would be like , oh and the managment team for team for having the confidence and faith in their abilities to give them their chance to show their skills

 

[lordsummerisle]

Agreed but his finance and genuine connection with the club helped, it's a real good job we have our young guns at the moment , or i dread to think what the situation would be like , oh and the managment team for team for having the confidence and faith in their abilities to give them their chance to show their skills

What the fuck genuine connection with the club did Markus Liebherr have before he bought it?

 

[thaiskyblue]

i'm sure you'll have your usual stats or quotes to back that up, so over to you, and no need to swear about it.

 

[lordsummerisle]

i'm sure you'll have your usual stats or quotes to back that up, so over to you, and no need to swear about it.

I don't have to back anything up, I'm not the one who's been going on about his "genuine connection" to the club, and was a "wealthy, Saints supporting bloke".

 

[jesus-wept]

I am tired of this constant praise for Steve Waggott on here, let me tell you something and this is from a player. Waggott is not popular with the players horrible b...... ! apparently. He's an interferer, I don't mean sexually, and has sadlled this club with some crap which thankfully Pressley got rid of. Who signed Mansett ?

 

[jesus-wept]

What the fuck genuine connection with the club did Markus Liebherr have before he bought it?

Is that the yank that snuffed it. I am certain there was a family connection going back a while with the Southampton area.

 

[thaiskyblue]

I don't have to back anything up, I'm not the one who's been going on about his "genuine connection" to the club, and was a "wealthy, Saints supporting bloke".

he certainly put his money where his mouth was, like i said before, sisu tried to buy them, lucky escape, my opinion.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Is that the yank that snuffed it. I am certain there was a family connection going back a while with the Southampton area.

German/Swiss, can't find anything to point to a connection with the family previous to taking over myself.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I am tired of this constant praise for Steve Waggott on here, let me tell you something and this is from a player. Waggott is not popular with the players horrible b...... ! apparently. He's an interferer, I don't mean sexually, and has sadlled this club with some crap which thankfully Pressley got rid of. Who signed Mansett ?

Really? So what your saying that the players he brought in were none of the players that any manager, i.e Thorn, Robins, Pressley wanted at all?

His popularity is irrelevant.

 

[lordsummerisle]

he certainly put his money where his mouth was, like i said before, sisu tried to buy them, lucky escape, my opinion.

Very lucky escape, but the amount of people on messageboards at the time laughing when they went into Admin and crowing about how stupid they were to turn down sisu and how lucky we were to have them at the time was considerable.

 

[thaiskyblue]

Very lucky escape, but the amount of people on messageboards at the time laughing when they went into Admin and crowing about how stupid they were to turn down sisu and how lucky we were to have them at the time was considerable.

if that's what you think, good for you.

 

[The Gentleman]

Yes, yes, yes pusb!

Change of pants needed ?

 

[dongonzalos]

Christ, everybody was desperate to claim all the signings last season as Thorn signings, not Waggott(Until most of them turned out to be crap).

Thorn's final gift anyone?

Maybe the signings of Murphy DMC and Fleck
The promotion of the likes of Jordan, Cyrus and Thomas into the first 11
The scouting of Baker were his parting gifts
Give the man some slack

Not all signings work out as Ribins and Pressley have found out.

 

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

I didn't like Waggott when he first came on the scene, but on reflection my view was coloured by my dislike of all things SISU. If he is to be judged by the footballing side of the business, he has to be given credit. He is an employee of SISU so has limited ability to do anything other than defend the actions they take. But in response to the OP, I think that the academy is the correct way forward. We have seen this season fresh new talent that in previous seasons would have been held back by expensive travelling donkey's that blocked the route to first team experience.

But the biggest reward has to go to SP, for having the natural ability to know how to get the best out of these young lads.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Maybe the signings of Murphy DMC and Fleck
The promotion of the likes of Jordan, Cyrus and Thomas into the first 11
The scouting of Baker were his parting gifts
Give the man some slack

Not all signings work out as Ribins and Pressley have found out.

Very far sighted in his signing of Baker to be fair, signing a very good League One player who wouldn't cut in in The Champonship knowing that he would be made manager and be able to have a player already used to League One once he'd relegated us.

1 player, Fleck, that you can name amongst his "final gifts" then?

Pearl amongst a fuck of a lot of swine.

 

[Grendel]

Maybe the signings of Murphy DMC and Fleck
The promotion of the likes of Jordan, Cyrus and Thomas into the first 11
The scouting of Baker were his parting gifts
Give the man some slack

Not all signings work out as Ribins and Pressley have found out.

He didn't sign mcgoldrick - tried to get him in the championship which is about right.

Baker was a catastrophic signing - utterly hopeless in the league he was signed in

Giving him credit for bringing in players that were developed by Rioch really is desperate. All are playing far better now.

Haven't seen a thread from you about Cody scoring again much - why is that?

Cut him some slack! Without that lazy tosser we'd probably have stayed up or been fitter and fully prepared for the start of last season.

 

[play_in_skyblue_stripes]

I agree Thorn was a disaster as a manager, but to describe Baker as a catastrophic championship signing is well OTT. On his day I saw him tear some teams at that level apart. Yes he is inconsistent and level 3 is more his level more than level , but to use those strength of words is unwarranted. Yes we have had much better players over the years obviously being top level fir 34 years, but Carl Baker is one of those better type of guys in my book personality wise.

 

[play_in_skyblue_stripes]

I agree Thorn was a disaster as a manager, but to describe Baker as a catastrophic championship signing is well OTT. On his day I saw him tear some teams at that level apart. Yes he is inconsistent and level 3 is more his level more than level 2, but to use those strength of words is unwarranted. Yes we have had much better players over the years obviously being top level fir 34 years, but Carl Baker is one of those better type of guys in my book personality wise.

 

[Hobo]

If you lot knew how football clubs are really run you would realise the real people for spotting the young talent you have probably never heard of.

E.g one of Alex Fergusons scouts for their next away day trip in the Premier League was a games teacher in Shaw Lancashire. He told Man United at free kicks don't mark Dixon the ball will go to Speedies head, the small scots guy.

The big figures might have the final say but they don't do the spotting.

We have had some good grass root guys at Coventry in the past. Hopefully we are getting back there!

 

[letsallsingtogether]

More utter crap from Mr know it all..

He didn't sign mcgoldrick - tried to get him in the championship which is about right.

Baker was a catastrophic signing - utterly hopeless in the league he was signed in

Giving him credit for bringing in players that were developed by Rioch really is desperate. All are playing far better now.

Haven't seen a thread from you about Cody scoring again much - why is that?

Cut him some slack! Without that lazy tosser we'd probably have stayed up or been fitter and fully prepared for the start of last season.

 

[Grendel]

More utter crap from Mr know it all..

Ah Thorn fan then, and a Cody fan?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Not particularly but he did his best with the hand dealt him. Sorry unlike you I don't slag off Ex Coventry players or managers. I feel they did there best maybe not up to your high standards then again we can't all be excellent at what we do most of us are just average and do our best.

Ah Thorn fan then, and a Cody fan?

 

[lordsummerisle]

Not particularly but he did his best with the hand dealt him. Sorry unlike you I don't slag off Ex Coventry players or managers. I feel they did there best maybe not up to your high standards then again we can't all be excellent at what we do most of us are just average and do our best.

Average very much an aspiration for Thorn.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

So what was expected from a Chief scout another Sisu appointment.

Average very much an aspiration for Thorn.