Judicial Review (27 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

With so called fans like you we deserve all we get.

Care to elaborate or just run out of actual points and resorted to slinging shit again?

 

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[shmmeee]

No commercial revenue because we sold the rights to it. If we want those revenues then SISU need to put their hand in their pocket and pay for it. Oh wait.......

Another of those "so called fans", we're a disgrace don't you know?

 

[James Smith]

So you admit that we were paying their mortgage and not receiving a penny in commercial revenues?

Doesn't that anger you? Actually stupid question forget it.

I can't say that it does without being a hypocrite really as my tenants are paying the mortgage on my flat. It really bugs me that having had the chance to become part owners of ACL since they took control of the club SISU never took it. I would have thought that the first step to getting access to those revenues would have been by buying into the company that owns the leasehold. From there they could have been negotiating from a position of owning a third of the seats on the board rather than only as a tenant.

 

[shmmeee]

Agreed. The only reason to not buy in and to take this whole debacle is if you thought it's be cheaper. Well when you take into account the legal costs and the current and future lost income from the move to Sixfields, I'd imagine it's not far off what it would've cost to buy the Higgs share.

Anyway, this is all academic now as by liquidating CCFC Ltd we lost any right to get those revenues back.

 

[skybluetony176]

With so called fans like you we deserve all we get.

says the man helping sh1tsu pay their legal bill by going to sixfields.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

So you admit that we were paying their mortgage and not receiving a penny in commercial revenues?

Doesn't that anger you? Actually stupid question forget it.

If we were the only tennants at the Ricoh Arena then yes we would have been paying the mortgage but we werent were we. You are making a case for Sisu that says the whole mortgage was paid by the rent it wasn't.

 

[James Smith]

says the man helping sh1tsu pay their legal bill by going to sixfields.

I believe he is only going to the Fish concert, not to watch us play.

 

[shmmeee]

says the man helping sh1tsu pay their legal bill by going to sixfields.

I hope he is paying considering the shit he's given those on the hill for "wanting to watch us for free".

 

[Hobo]

A sensible discussion for once. Differing view points without abuse or the normal your on that side bollocks.

Can't wait for Grendals input!

Here we go here we go!
Grendal So you admit that we were paying their mortgage and not receiving a penny in commercial revenues?

Doesn't that anger you? Actually stupid question forget it.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I believe he is only going to the Fish concert, not to watch us play.

Didn't know Seaworld were taking over Sixfields

 

[skybluetony176]

I believe he is only going to the Fish concert, not to watch us play.

i stand corrected and apologise to grendull.

i obviously stopped reading his thread about going to Northampton too early.

 

[James Smith]

Didn't know Seaworld were taking over Sixfields

And to follow this up - the Fish concert isn't at Sixfields it's at New Roadmender http://www.songkick.com/concerts/18164234-fish-at-roadmender in Northampton.

 

[Grendel]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

 

[Jim]

Another of those "so called fans", we're a disgrace don't you know?

Sorry! I apologise for looking at the situation from an objective viewpoint and taking into account the actual facts...... ;-)

 

[skybluetony176]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

you make some good points grendull, but it takes 2 too tango.

how about you try telling us, in your opinion, what timmy, joy diversion and the rest of the sh1tsu clan could and should be doing to bring us back?

i cant believe pursuing JR is assisting in the clubs return so explain to me how it is. from where i'm sitting they are putting more effort into carrying on distressing ACL, your local government and a local charity then they are in effort into getting the club back. again from where i'm sitting they put more effort into taking the club away from the city in the 1st place then they did to keeping them in Coventry.

without blaming ACL/CCC/Higgs tell me why i'm wrong, i bet you cant.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

Says the person who would welcome a new ground near the NEC because its nearer for him. Who hates the Ricoh ugly concrete isn't it Grendel according to you .So why would you want it given to Sisu?

 

[bigfatronssba]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

So can I just clarify, even if you knew that in reality the council are not guilty of breaching state aid rules, you would still like them to be found guilty?

Bearing in mind that such a verdict could destroy innocent peoples careers at the Council House, cost the Coventry taxpayer potentially millions, and destroy a perfectly sound business in ACL, you would be happy as it might help the club return?

 

[James Smith]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

As I posted yesterday in the new stadium thread

Whilst I want the club back in Coventry by any means and that includes a new stadium, I find the timing of this news 'interesting'. Sadly I will remain yet to be convinced that any new stadium is in the works until building works actually start.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/39390-New-Stadium-confirmed?p=593047&viewfull=1#post593047

However I find it extraordinary that it's managed to get to the stage where we're homeless despite the opportunities not to be so. Everyone saying we've moved on and then attempting to distress our former landlords further, giving the impression that we haven't moved on at all. Taking us to a new low courtesy of relegation to League One and seeing our smallest 'home' gate in the clubs history. Getting more support at away matches than at home which has once again seen my inbox getting sarky comments from 'friends' who like to wind me up. Promising a new stadium and plans of said stadium will be released but actually nothing has been seen, except Tim allegedly looking for badger droppings. And people thought Mrs Thatcher was a bit stubborn, well she weren't a patch on JS.

 

[Hobo]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

A passionate point of view. But the owners have to have some integrity. Just owning the club doesn't mean they can. ride rough shod over us the supporters and citizens of Coventry. I remember Ransom saying something like we are just the keepers of the flame.

SISU have curled up into the us against the world ball.

They haven't sold their vision to the fans. They have hypocritical policies.

I have said before, SISU convert me...they haven't, ultimately they run the club, very very poorly!

Grendel, you don't necessarily support SISU, but you are ultra critical of ACL and CCC. We can all see it, so why?

 

[Astute]

This is just typical.

The reason I say that this cannot be the perspective of any true football fan is that no true football fan would have any interest but one at the moment - the return to the City.

Why would any fan who has that overriding interest make any defence of ACL or the council.

Someone made some comment on here that if we were Leeds or Millwall then their would be such anger at the club they wouldn't dare move us. This may be, however, such "passion" would also mean not a council house window would be left intact and one if the board members would not be welcomed on a forum such as this.

The initial arrangement was an abomination. The equivalent of offering a dying man a bottle of Evian for his life savings. The attempt at justification shows acceptance of the unacceptable.

Real fans want the club back whatever - not to try and defend the original protagonists in this debacle.

And what is wrong with wanting a more secure future for the ground that we see as our home instead of letting them have it for well under value as you wish?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

He won't reply because he can't see past his red hair!
The council stepped in, in our hour of need we hailed them then some turn on them with a vengeance....
And people call me a Hypocrite for going to MK, well Fuck them all, I hope the council crush Sisu then we can hail them again.

Long live ACL and CCC

A passionate point of view. But the owners have to have some integrity. Just owning the club doesn't mean they can. ride rough shod over us the supporters and citizens of Coventry. I remember Ransom saying something like we are just the keepers of the flame.

SISU have curled up into the us against the world ball.

They haven't sold their vision to the fans. They have hypocritical policies.

I have said before, SISU convert me...they haven't, ultimately they run the club, very very poorly!

Grendel, you don't necessarily support SISU, but you are ultra critical of ACL and CCC. We can all see it, so why?

 

[No future with SISU]

The negotiations about the rent are irrelevant, their point is that they were due to buy out ACL's mortgage and effectively takeover. The council stopped this by strengthening ACL's position with a state aid.

The council is about to lend 14m to a local company so they can convert old offices into student rooms, would you call that state aid. The goverment lend money all the time as well as local goverment and it is only state aid if it has not to be paid back. The ACL loan has to be paid back so is not state aid.

 

[No future with SISU]

A passionate point of view. But the owners have to have some integrity. Just owning the club doesn't mean they can. ride rough shod over us the supporters and citizens of Coventry. I remember Ransom saying something like we are just the keepers of the flame.

SISU have curled up into the us against the world ball.

They haven't sold their vision to the fans. They have hypocritical policies.

I have said before, SISU convert me...they haven't, ultimately they run the club, very very poorly!

Grendel, you don't necessarily support SISU, but you are ultra critical of ACL and CCC. We can all see it, so why?

Grendel is in that group of people who are complaining about the council even if they are doing good things. They love it when something is not done the correct way by any council.Also the goverment is also on their hit list and hedge funds are low down on it.

 

[Tonylinc]

Grendel has made some very valid points.......No really he has.......I say that only because every village needs an idiot and he is ours!

 

[Hobo]

Grendel has made some very valid points.......No really he has.......I say that only because every village needs an idiot and he is ours!

He has made very valid points, knows our history and old players, he is a fan alright. But his hatred of ACL, CCC seems very deep rooted.

Would like hm to expand on that and explain his stance?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Grendel has made some very valid points.......No really he has.......I say that only because every village needs an idiot and he is ours!

I wish he'd move to a village then preferably in New Zealand

 

[Tonylinc]

I wish he'd move to a village then preferably in New Zealand

 

[skybluefred]

Would a commercial lender borrow them money in the circumstances? This is the reason why they've had to borrow from the council in the first place isn't it?

No. Because sisu stopped paying the legally agreed rent it put ACL into difficulty with paying their mortgage to YB.
The Council have every right to bale out one of their tenants by offering them a reduced rate mortgage.

 

[Tonylinc]

No. Because sisu stopped paying the legally agreed rent it put ACL into difficulty with paying their mortgage to YB.
The Council have every right to bale out one of their tenants by offering them a reduced rate mortgage.

Lets just hope that the Judge agrees with you tomorrow morning. I have a feeling that he/she will.

 

[Grendel]

No. Because sisu stopped paying the legally agreed rent it put ACL into difficulty with paying their mortgage to YB.
The Council have every right to bale out one of their tenants by offering them a reduced rate mortgage.

ACL are a separate organisation and totally private so we are told.

You are suggesting they are a council quango. I agree with you. It's unethical if not illegal but ethics are hardly a strength of the council are they?

 

[ccfcway]

the judge wont budge

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

ACL are a separate organisation and totally private so we are told.

You are suggesting they are a council quango. I agree with you. It's unethical if not illegal but ethics are hardly a strength of the council are they?

Ha ha ha a thread with Sisu you and ethics:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

You couldn't make it up, but then again you could.

 

[No future with SISU]

ACL are a separate organisation and totally private so we are told.

You are suggesting they are a council quango. I agree with you. It's unethical if not illegal but ethics are hardly a strength of the council are they?

If you own 50% of a company of course you will protect that investment, what is unethical or illegal about that, unless you have just put that in to make your post seem interesting.

 

[Tonylinc]

ACL are a separate organisation and totally private so we are told.

You are suggesting they are a council quango. I agree with you. It's unethical if not illegal but ethics are hardly a strength of the council are they?

ACL are a Council tenant. They were put into difficulties by their tenant withholding their legally binding rent. They therefore entered into an arrangement whereby their repayments were reduced in order to "help them out", (which incidentally also enabled them to offer a reduced rent to the same tenants). So what is wrong with that?