Some Feedback from Les on SBT Leagal Action (11 Viewers)
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PaulGrafton
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most people pinned their hopes on this "interview" with Sepella being a balanced peice of journalism, judge for yourself. IMO this was the turning point, since this meeting the balance has gone completely such as blaming ACL/CCC for not signing the CVA in a match comment 3 months down the line. went in a tiger, came out a lamb.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-fc-owner-joy-6096912
95% of which aren't going to Northampton and never will......
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sky blue john
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Les Reids crying statement just smacks of jealousy !!!!!
Is it any wonder that Les Reid works for the two bit CT and David Conn works for the Guardian ?
Is it any wonder that Les Reid works for the two bit CT and David Conn works for the Guardian ?
SkyBlueScottie
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Why does that matter, every action causes a reaction. The council and Sisu are both to blame.
An excellent deconstruction of his work....
Now, had the SBT organised another event and only a handful turned up I am sure you would support the aim. When people make such an effort the actions should not be derided. Yes I am aware its happened previously however the vicious circle will only go on while people continue to make snide remarks.
Very constructive discussion.
Perhaps they are based on a slightly different viewpoint. I dare say Led might have "heard a few snippets" which may have altered his viewpoints however unlike us who discuss rumour as A journo Led can't.
If you can't read it why bother to comment.
bigfatronssba
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What Les Reid needs to realise is he has an opinion, that's all.
He's not some David Dimbleby style debate host who is completely impartial. He has expressed his opinion which he is entitled to do, however that doesn't mean he's anymore balanced, or right than anyone else.
I hate it when people claim to be balanced when they clearly aren't.
He's not some David Dimbleby style debate host who is completely impartial. He has expressed his opinion which he is entitled to do, however that doesn't mean he's anymore balanced, or right than anyone else.
I hate it when people claim to be balanced when they clearly aren't.
Grendel
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So is it another freelance journalist called les Reid who writes political columns for the Guardian?
Hobo
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The trouble with our situation is, when somebody looks at it and after careful consideration decides that is who Is at fault....there are people saying they are not impartial or it's not a balanced view.
As for Les Reid, his journalism hasn't done much for me and this latest effort hasn't changed that.
I'd love to see someone like Patrick Barclay write an article on our current situation.
As for Les Reid, his journalism hasn't done much for me and this latest effort hasn't changed that.
I'd love to see someone like Patrick Barclay write an article on our current situation.
RoboCCFC90
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Read the statement John, Les has said previously that he has written political articles for the Guardian !!!!!
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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What he has failed to do it to comprehend the horrendous slide in every aspect of our club since SISU's arrival; and at the same time fail it get answers to very basic questions. For example:
Why the insistence on freehold; when a long lease with low rents and access to football related; or SISU-inspired revenues should suffice?
What is the status with the new stadium? The paper trail of failed promises is easy to pick up on. If such uncertainty still abounds; why leave the Ricoh? For this season at least?!?
What's the plan to adhere now to FFP rules moving forward, irrespective of location, given the gross over estimation of Sixfields attendances?
When the above start to get addressed by Mr Reid, and the 'I've got 20 years experience' nonsense finishes; along with the pantomimesque and childish retweeting from his sycophants, I'll respect more his view. Until then, and with big issues still on the table seemingly unanswered, I don't think he has scrutinised all parties with equal endeavour
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bigfatronssba
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NOPM to the Coventry Telegraph until facts are reported, not opinions!
RoboCCFC90
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Not all newspaper deal in facts.. That's what makes news!
Hobo
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Although I hate our situation all these NOPM campaigns are saving me stacks of money. Can we get a few more going?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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It's the 'bigger picture' that's not being addressed. I'm not saying the CT aren't reporting each issue as they see it, and again I'm sure there is blame and stupidity on all sides. But how many column inches were wasted on the rent issue? Fair rents. Comparative rents. League One average rents. Now we know it's nothing to do with rents. Or revenues. It's freehold.
It's the bigger picture and the indeterminate decline that's not being addressed in Mr Reid's series of 'exclusives'; and this was addressed - accurately or not I wouldn't comment upon - in the Guardian issue Les was quick to scoff at
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NOPM to jammy dodgers?
Grendel
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Try telling that to the previous regime - that is exactly why we are where we are -- no club could survive with the punitive arrangement that this club had. People may bleat and whine about due dillegence, selling revenue streams but ultimately the club is where it is because of the arrangement. If we were in Swansea, Nottingham, Ipswich, Doncaster, Hull or anywhere else you care to look this would NOT have happened and Sisu would not have been here.
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Which is why 'bigger pictures' need to be looked at because want SISU out? Fine. Want to avoid 'SISU 2, this time they're meaner' in? Then things have to change beyond at the football club?
And some of the actions do indeed seem to have been to agitate friction, the impression from the putside is of an attempted coup to impose the next carpet bagger onto the club... and that element shouldn't be forgotten.
Not forgetting it doesn't mean the polar opposite that SISU are wonderful, not in the slightest, but the bigger picture does say without that agitation in return, there would have been a lot better chance of it not coming to this.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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We can't keep on harking back to the previous regime though, can we? Besides, sustainability isn't the long term objective here is it? Otherwise we wouldn't be playing to a Montego full of men 40 miles away, would we?
Don't preach sustainability to me, when were currently less sustainable than we were under the rental agreement you're oh-so-quick to flap about
cochese
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You're talking about what he has failed to do, not what he has written. What has he written that has been inaccurate? Has anyone dared to sue Les Reid for printing inaccuracies?
Many of those questions have already been answered by Tim Fisher at the SCG. If you don't like the answers, bring it up with Tim.
RoboCCFC90
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Sustainability should be the first thing this club aims for in the short, medium and long term as so far it has been absent, no matter the cause and who the blame lies with.
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There's a very decent argument to be made that their current strategy is an attempt to force sustainability on the club.
It's not the only argument out there, but it *does* tally in common sense terms.
Sustainability could indeed be the very reason we are playing 35 miles away, to stay where and how we were was not sustainable, the club should be dead.
staying where we were was slightly unsustainable, mostly because of wages though, moving to northampton though is very significantly less sustainable and building a new stadium even less sustainable, so while we might have been uncomfortable sitting so close to the fire, we've now doused ourselves in petrol and jumped in.
The Gentleman
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Why don't you grow up man, what is the point of continually going back over old ground FFS, how far do you want to go to look where our troubles started 5, 10, 20 years, whats the fucking point ? if you are always looking back how are you ever going to move forward. It is stubborn minded people like you, Sisu, certain people at ACL/CCC and journalists who cannot move on that will kill off our club. I do see it as our club really as we were here from the beginning and we will be here when Sisu/Otium crawl off into the sunset. I know that big companies also put money in and tv etc, but without us there is no club. I think that if Sixfields was filled every week then Sisu win, if no-one went at all and the place was completely empty, we would get our club back HOME very quickly. But to continually drag out the past at every given opportunity helps no-one.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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He reports and comments on skirmishes, not the ambition of either side in the war. As I stated above, what he writes may be quite true; but it's a report on the skirmishes metaphor. What he needs to grasp is the bigger picture of the war, report and comment on that and earn the 'hard hitting journalist' hat he likes to wear. He's simply not doing that.
And with the greatest of respect, Fisher talking to a few folk in a social club isn't the same as his objectives being scrutinised by a decent investigative journalist. Even Grendel's realised that Fisher can walk through these fan-interactions with his eyes closed. He almost appears to enjoy the theatre of baiting the serfs. But when the Guardian try and report the facts as they see then; well, what happens?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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SISU didn't make the club sustainable in their first years though, did they; or did I dream about a £60m debt, of which 'obscene' rentals would be less than 10%?
There is an argument that the club needs revenues. And if that was SISU's only ambition; just build the stadium they've promised.
But wait, why the judicial review? :thinking about:
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Nope, staying where we were was horrendously unsustainable, always has been.
Building a new stadium would be sustainable... if done for the right reasons, and in the right place.
Moving top Northampton to get a sustainable deal agreed is at least giving a punt at sustainable also. The fact the goalposts change of what 'sustainable' is make that worthy of interrogation as to who's benefit and why such a move has been made. It doesn't, however, stop the fact that so far, the very move to Northampton has shifted the goalposts from 'negotiations are at an end' to talks about things not previously on offer. In that respect, northampton has already improved our chances of being sustainable further down the line...
If the owners choose to take that option.
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SISU were never going to make the club sustainable, as the whole plan was 300% return over 3 years and then get out... apparently.
The only reason SISU are here, is because the club was never going to be sustainable, *any* owner would have seen the same decline if a punt on a few players for success failed, and the only reason SISU were able to buy us was because we were only appealing to such a form of investment... because we weren't and aren't sustainable.
So ignore that, and the same circles will repeat.
Repeatedly.
And nobody wants that, do they?
If SISU draw attention to the fact only the likes of SISU will buy us in our current form, then that may be the biggest unwitting favour they've ever done us. Alas, the hatred of SISU is so much, that that point gets missed, so increasing the chances of next speculator rocking up with barely a murmer of discontent.
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shmmeee
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You, like many others, mistake being impartial with accrediting equal blame to both sides.
It's not impartial to say "the Nazis and the Jews were both to blame for the holocaust" because the facts don't support that.
Les Reid's job is to find and report on facts. Not his opinion, not what he feels, facts. After all Comment is free, but facts are sacred.
To imply that the vast majority of CCFC fans are misguided and unable to find their own way through this maze of crap is not just insulting to us, it shows what a poor job he has done of informing us.
There is an ever decreasing minority on here (and GMK) who think that it's an untouchable position to blame both sides, as if this is the pinnacle of reason. Whereas in fact, it just shows an inability to make up your mind or make judgements based on the facts available.
As for why wouldn't he back a protest against the Council, perhaps we should ask why he hasn't backed the many other protests against Sisu or the FL?
The Gentleman
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Do you honestly believe in what you have just wrote ? If ACL is financially viable and do not need the club and if that pushes Sisu into a corner of building Legoland, do you think that is sustainable for the club ? at least 7 years at Sixfields, dwindling attendances from already crap ones, mounting debts and FFP, where will we be then ?. Sisu were offered a deal which would make us more sustainable in the short and medium term with the prospect of a deal to make us sustainable in the long term but they chose to piss on that bonfire, and so piss on every Cov fans hopes of a speedy return.
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Blaming one side for an action does not automatically mean congratulating another side for a, separate, action.
I can make up my mind on both.
cochese
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If it were facts that were reported, why was there a threat to sue? If it's a bigger picture you're after, what made the Guardian article so great when there was little or no mention of the other parties involved in this "war"? Les seems vilified for not writing enough about SISU, and the Guardian is let off despite barely mentioning the role that ACL and the council have played in all of this.
No way, the costs involved in borrowing the money would be far in excess of the unsustainable rent, the loss of fans over the 5 years+ would hurt more than any food and beverage. We have not seen any indication whatsoever that there is any financial benefit to building our own stadium.