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torchomatic

torchomatic

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shmmeee

shmmeee

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Specs WT-R75 said:
Assuming a new stadium has to happen...12k or 20k I don't really care as long as the prospective site has the potential to expand.

There is no point having a 32k stadium when your average attendances are 11k in league 1... however, the ability to add a stand or even 2 stands to the stadium when promotions are achieved would need to be part of the plans. Ideally with the stands constructed in such a way that it would not need to be closed to add the additional tiers...

A german-style safe-standing area would be awesome... possibly cheaper if the conversion to seating wasn't compulsory from the offset.

I'd like to see the council call Sisue's bluff. Offer to sell them land with permission inside the city... then if the club did buy that land then there would then be no logical reason why a short term lease on the Ricoh would not be possible... on the other hand if the council did offer land and it was still rejected then we know for sure that aquiring the Ricoh is the only thing sisue are after....

My 2cs.
Specs
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Agree with all of this, unfortunately AFAIK safe standing still isn't allowed here (someone correct me?) and Fisher says 22k will be the MAX the stadium goes to, not a starting point.
 
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Yeah let's be straight, the problem isn't the 22,000, it's the fact it's been said it'd start below that. Assuming the quote's correct, it's also shrunk in starting size from 18,000 (not too bad) to 12,000-15,000. 15,000 probably not too bad as a starting size also, but why have the lower number in there...

And up to the maximum of 22,000 is a concern too, if that's the highest it's designed to go.

Because sure, we don't need more now, sure,the Ricoh probablyis a millstone at the level we're at to an extent, sure, nothing wrong with building realistically.

But if 22k is the upper limit, do we then move into a bigger ground on promotion to the top flight, if it ever comes? Where do we build *that* one?!? Could we end upwith a city surrounded by stadiums?!?
 
skybluetony176

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah let's be straight, the problem isn't the 22,000, it's the fact it's been said it'd start below that. Assuming the quote's correct, it's also shrunk in starting size from 18,000 (not too bad) to 12,000-15,000. 15,000 probably not too bad as a starting size also, but why have the lower number in there...

And up to the maximum of 22,000 is a concern too, if that's the highest it's designed to go.

Because sure, we don't need more now, sure,the Ricoh probablyis a millstone at the level we're at to an extent, sure, nothing wrong with building realistically.

But if 22k is the upper limit, do we then move into a bigger ground on promotion to the top flight, if it ever comes? Where do we build *that* one?!? Could we end upwith a city surrounded by stadiums?!?
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you're not seeing the bigger picture northern. its all about perspective, the further the ground gets away from Coventry the smaller it gets.
 
shmmeee

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skybluetony176 said:
you're not seeing the bigger picture northern. its all about perspective, the further the ground gets away from Coventry the smaller it gets.
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Until we're playing in Joy's garden in London in front of a crowd of 3. The masterplan is revealed!
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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RoboCCFC90 said:
As I said previously the average attendances do not lie, since we have been at the Ricoh we have not averaged beyond 22,000 a season.

Why should a ground be built that has bigger attendance only the third of the time in which we have been a stadium that has been able to hold that capacity?


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Since we moved to the Ricoh we were in the championship, so the figures you are giving will not be reflected when we reach the Premiership.

So the way you coming across is that our beloved owners do not have that ambition anymore and the best we can do is the Championship.



If thats the case Otium/SISU can kiss goodbye the money they hope to get back in what they have invested in the club on top of the so called £30m
they will add to build this new inferior stadium.


Maybe thats why they need to build a bigger stadium or buy one at the market value??
 
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magic82ball

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RoboCCFC90 said:
Please justify to me how we need a bigger stadium then 22,000 based on the last 11 years average attendance stats:

00/01 20,582
01/02 16,150
02/03 14,812
03/04 14,816
04/05 16,047
05/06 21,031
06/07 20,342
07/08 19,123
08/09 17,407
09/10 17,305
10/11 16,309
11/12 15,118
12/13 10,948
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Two massive problems with your logic here Robo,

The figures you have given here are averages. What about when we exceeded these? And the fact that these averages were exceeded on many occasions go to show the fan-base is there.

Secondly, your figures don't include us in the Prem. 32,000 for Chelsea goes to show that appetite is there for premiership football and should we be at the Ricoh and in the Prem, 25,000 + averages would be easily achievable.

I am curious for your lack of ambition for the club though, I thought you tended to be one of the more balanced posters on here.
 
fernandopartridge

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The club should be looking to build a stadium with a capacity of around 25k with room for expansion.

Anything below that is lacking ambition or limiting the club's future income.
 
bigfatronssba

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So their looking a 22k maximum ground.

With segregation that would instantly become a 21200 ground at best.

Last reasonable season in the premiership (99/00) saw half of league games, and two cup games exceed that figure:


Man u 22022
Leeds 21528
Newcastle 23031
Watford 21697
Leicester 22016
Arsenal 22757
Burnley (FAC) 22774
Charlton (FAC) 23400
Sunderland 22099
Tottenham 23073
Liverpool 23084

I also think its safe to assume that a newly promoted CCFC would have a higher demand for tickets than one that had been struggling for years.
 
italiahorse

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bigfatronssba said:
So their looking a 22k maximum ground.

With segregation that would instantly become a 21200 ground at best.

Last reasonable season in the premiership (99/00) saw half of league games, and two cup games exceed that figure:


Man u 22022
Leeds 21528
Newcastle 23031
Watford 21697
Leicester 22016
Arsenal 22757
Burnley (FAC) 22774
Charlton (FAC) 23400
Sunderland 22099
Tottenham 23073
Liverpool 23084

I also think its safe to assume that a newly promoted CCFC would have a higher demand for tickets than one that had been struggling for years.
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These figures were restricted by HR capacity. 23489
 
bigfatronssba

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fernandopartridge said:
Yes, away fans were invariably given a 4k or so allocation even if the home end was sold out.
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Good point. If you look up Robbie Keanes debut against Derby from that season the away end looks very empty.
 
skybluelee

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bigfatronssba said:
Good point. If you look up Robbie Keanes debut against Derby from that season the away end looks very empty.
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Although it was rare (over and above the games mentioned above) that we'd sell out out our 19K home tickets. For example, the crowd against Derby for Keane's debut was 17K in total.
 
shmmeee

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Taking the last 11 years is a downward trend. Surely if our ambitions are anything like most fans would want/expect, we should look at the last time we came up from D3.

So, starting at 26,000 going up to 51, 000 ;)
 
sky blue john

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How slow can Sisu make this process ?
At this rate there will be a statement by Sisu when Timmy puts his bob the builder socks on !!
 
@richh87

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bigfatronssba said:
So their looking a 22k maximum ground.

With segregation that would instantly become a 21200 ground at best.

Last reasonable season in the premiership (99/00) saw half of league games, and two cup games exceed that figure:


Man u 22022
Leeds 21528
Newcastle 23031
Watford 21697
Leicester 22016
Arsenal 22757
Burnley (FAC) 22774
Charlton (FAC) 23400
Sunderland 22099
Tottenham 23073
Liverpool 23084

I also think its safe to assume that a newly promoted CCFC would have a higher demand for tickets than one that had been struggling for years.
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Spot on. SISU's ambition appears to be to remain in League 1 if they're going for a 12,000-15,000 seater.

Luckily it's all a smokescreen while they try to get their filthy hands on the Ricoh.



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cloughie

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Her statement of I have no opinion regarding the dispute between sisu and CCC/ACL and her entusiasm for the owners etc speaks volumes for her impartiality.

She must be the only fan who has no opinion.

More sisu bullsht
 
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SonOfSnoz

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What's the point?
Lost the interest of local businesses in the City!
Or is it next stage of PR for the now well known hedgefund?
Strange how she can't even discuss location?
What's the point?
 
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AJB1983

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We'll see how long she lasts. Fisher saying she's totally independent when he interviewed her for a role that has been created by sisu is completely contradictory to that, but then I'd expect nothing less.
I can't believe he thinks of us fans so lowly that he treats us with such contempt....she's not involved in the row...well you've just made her chair of a group to 'consult' on a supposed new stadium that has arrived from a row between sisu and acl.
 
torchomatic

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@richh87

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torchomatic said:
What postcode area must it be in, do you think?
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In an ideal world Torch it'd be CV1 - in the centre of the ring road looming over the whole city. That's my dream location

If I'm honest I don't want a new stadium anyway. The Ricoh is fantastic - I really miss it.


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torchomatic

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I agree totally. I never really liked the Ricoh, but would go back there tomorrow if I could. However, I guess we would have a little leeway as the Ricoh is what, CV6? I'm not sure on that though.

But, like you, I don't necessarily want a new stadium.

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In an ideal world Torch it'd be CV1 - in the centre of the ring road looming over the whole city. That's my dream location 

If I'm honest I don't want a new stadium anyway. The Ricoh is fantastic - I really miss it.


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@richh87

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torchomatic said:
I agree totally. I never really liked the Ricoh, but would go back there tomorrow if I could. However, I guess we would have a little leeway as the Ricoh is what, CV6? I'm not sure on that though.

But, like you, I don't necessarily want a new stadium.
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I think if we got to the Prem then the atmosphere in the Ricoh would be rocking. It's a very noisy stadium when full. People are judging it harshly because the team has struggled.

Now just to knock down the awful city centre and put it there


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