Why a new ground is the fair way forward (2 Viewers)
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lordsummerisle
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Yep, very difficult to determine what the actually player wage bill is....pretty sure that staffing figure includes stewards, management, shop people etc.
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As it would with all clubs though.
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You need to clear some storage space...
Astute
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I will say what my worse fear is again and it is nothing like demolishing the arena like I was recently accused of saying. I had said in the past that it would never happen even if they wanted it to because of planning rules.
SISUE have put millions into our club. How much is very debatable. At one stage we were told we were losing 500k a month. It has been much lower than this for a fair bit of time considering they have been with us for six years. But lets say 500k per month for the time they have been with us. 6m a year. 36m in total. So I would guess that it is somewhere between 25m and 30m. No idea how it has got as high as the 60m or 70m as they have said. Can't all of come from management fees and interest as we know they charge us.......can it? They want their money back plus a return for their investors. Two promotions and they would be in the money. But they already tried this when we were only one step away from the Prem. This is how we started losing 500k a month. If only they would have got a decent manager in before they started throwing money at the squad. So to me they won't get their money back this way as they failed and changed direction.
Plan B. Get the freehold. Get rid of the leasehold at the same time. They would own the whole thing. Start up yet another section of SISUE.......Coventry City Arena lets say. Timothy even said the arena wouldn't be owned by the club itself. Most of the fans have come back. The rest of the arena is still profitable. Coventry City Arena remortgages the arena to pay back money owed to SISUE/Otium and whatever/whoever the money is owed to. Their investors get their money back plus a profit. So then we are left with a massive mortgage to pay. Interest rates will go up soon. Just like they were much higher when the stadium was built. They are the lowest in living history ATM. Mortgage repayments can't be met. Would this lead to liquidation? Would liquidation happen before this?
I know certain people will say this won't happen. They have said it each time I have said the same. But Joy wants her money back. Has anyone got a better idea on how she will do it? Can anyone say 100% they don't work this way? Look back at the way SISUE work. They use litigation to get their own way. We are seeing this for ourselves even now. They then use admin/liquidation to get the best return a lot of the time. We also know about the admin bit. They got out of the rental agreement by doing this. Buying the arena will not suddenly make our club worth a lot of money. We would have to be a Prem side to be worth as much as they would want. And for this to happen we would have to do twice what we haven't done for nearly 50 years.......finish in the top 6. We can't even manage it in the old division 3.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Yes. I agree he does. Staff costs were cited as £9.9m in 2012; this being split across 490 employees - 83 in player/management roles, 45 in administrative roles and 362 stewards.
Trying to cut out what is purely first team squad expenditure is no more than educated guesswork; as there are other aspects which could sit within the 'staff costs' area of the accounts, such as severance for players contracts being terminated (for example, Doyle, one of the biggest earners left on a free transfer having his contract 'settled' in January 2011), or ongoing costs for managers who's contracts might still have been paid - Bothroyd, who left in March 2011; and his backroom staff could still have been included (Coleman was still being paid some £10K a week in the 2011 accounts, so it's not beyond possibility that Bothroyd' and his backroom staff were still being carried in 2012).
As such, I still see Andy Turner's analysis, after his interview with Ken Delieu as being the best estimate of the actual playing squad budget - at circa. £5m. And this does look a sensible estimate based on the £9.9m total figure shown within the accounts. So, it's not a case of 'ignoring accounts'; it's a case of reading and taking a view on them. As I'm sure OSB58 will also tell you, the figures in any given accounts need a whole lot of analysis to give them context. To follow them crudely doesn't even get close to giving an accurate picture
lordsummerisle
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Obviously that is correct, but if you are using total staff costs as your figures for all other clubs(don't believe that any of them are broken down into player/backroom/board costs), then that would have to apply to CCFC as well.
The fact is I'd have been happier if our player costs were low, would have meant that a bit of reality had sunk in.