Waggot (14 Viewers)

[SkyBlueBlood]

That's not sisu funding, its the club disposing of fixed assets.

Its no different to what I was expecting, but as the op has pointed out, the comments made by fisher will be shown to be bullshit if players are sold.

No surprise there, it not like he has any credibility at all.

 

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[WiganSkyBlue]

i answered your question why don't you answer mine who stopped paying rent who called in the liquidator who took us to northampton

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can never win an argument with this guy as he/she (and some others on here) is/are never, ever wrong. You can have as many facts and truisms at your fingertips as you like but you can never get a response or an acknowledgement that you are right because he will say you're wrong. I stopped debating and replying to his/her nonsense some time back: I suggest others do the same and stop feeding his/her ego :wave:

 

[stupot07]

i answered your question why don't you answer mine who stopped paying rent who called in the liquidator who took us to northampton

Sisu stopped paying rent and took us to Northampton. ACL called in the liquidator when they rejected the CVA.


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[Grendel]

i answered your question why don't you answer mine who stopped paying rent who called in the liquidator who took us to northampton

ACL called in the liquidator.

 

[Moff]

Grendal.. I am fully qualified accountant... you are a twat.

Good for you mate. I juts hope you are more accurate with your figures than the task of spelling a name correctly.

 

[Astute]

Sisu stopped paying rent and took us to Northampton. ACL called in the liquidator when they rejected the CVA.


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Timothy threatened liquidation. ACL mentioned going for admin. SISUE called in the administrator which was Appleton. He had done work for them before. And we all know he couldn't even find obvious things that should have been easy to find. They rejected the CVA Appleton put together. They were like most of us that wanted the truth and to keep our club in Coventry.

Or are you now saying that ACL put us into admin and SISUE still got to choose Appleton? Sounds like a Grendull claim to me.

 

[Grendel]

Timothy threatened liquidation. ACL mentioned going for admin. SISUE called in the administrator which was Appleton. He had done work for them before. And we all know he couldn't even find obvious things that should have been easy to find. They rejected the CVA Appleton put together. They were like most of us that wanted the truth and to keep our club in Coventry.

Or are you now saying that ACL put us into admin and SISUE still got to choose Appleton? Sounds like a Grendull claim to me.

ACL would have agreed the CVA if two conditions were agreed. So when you say they wanted the truth that would be a very odd condition wouldn't it?

It's common proticol to appoint the preferred administrator. That had nothing to do with liquidation that was down 100% to ACL and bear in mind Higgs accepted the CVA.

As you say fisher claimed the club may have to be liquidated and ACL to protect themselves raised a court order - odd then they ultimately liquidated the club.

Why you need to create your own stories around the facts I'm not sure.

 

[Grendel]

Good for you mate. I juts hope you are more accurate with your figures than the task of spelling a name correctly.

I think Astute is his only client. They share a love of all things make believe.

 

[Astute]

ACL would have agreed the CVA if two conditions were agreed. So when you say they wanted the truth that would be a very odd condition wouldn't it?

It's common proticol to appoint the preferred administrator. That had nothing to do with liquidation that was down 100% to ACL and bear in mind Higgs accepted the CVA.

As you say fisher claimed the club may have to be liquidated and ACL to protect themselves raised a court order - odd then they ultimately liquidated the club.

Why you need to create your own stories around the facts I'm not sure.

Liquidate the club did they? It is what they threatened to do. But they only liquidated a named part of it that they put all their crap into including the rent contract and a tax bill. If they had liquidated our club it wouldn't exist, but as usual you won't let the truth get in the way of the bullsh1t you come out with. And then you accuse me of creating stories around the facts

Also, would you say that Appleton did a good and fair job? For instance not being able to find the golden share which was still in LTD on the last recorded record.

Just like when you were manipulating the poll about how many fans blamed who. You said just over 50% blamed ACL. But if you used your method 93% blamed SISUE.......yet you never mentioned that part once.

Then you tell us you do an unskilled job that pays you over 100k a year :laugh:

 

[dongonzalos]

How did you get from decent to ridiculous?

You should be asking the question the other way round, SISU said ridiculous. Where did decent come from? Hence why I posted the quote.

It will be interesting to see what their version of ridiculous is. In the past this has unfortunately meant ridiculously low.

 

[stupot07]

Timothy threatened liquidation. ACL mentioned going for admin. SISUE called in the administrator which was Appleton. He had done work for them before. And we all know he couldn't even find obvious things that should have been easy to find. They rejected the CVA Appleton put together. They were like most of us that wanted the truth and to keep our club in Coventry.

Or are you now saying that ACL put us into admin and SISUE still got to choose Appleton? Sounds like a Grendull claim to me.

ACL didn't mention administration, they had already applied for it and we would have been in court the very next day with ACLs application, this forced sisu to get in there first.


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[stupot07]

Liquidate the club did they? It is what they threatened to do. But they only liquidated a named part of it that they put all their crap into including the rent contract and a tax bill. If they had liquidated our club it wouldn't exist, but as usual you won't let the truth get in the way of the bullsh1t you come out with. And then you accuse me of creating stories around the facts

Also, would you say that Appleton did a good and fair job? For instance not being able to find the golden share which was still in LTD on the last recorded record.

Just like when you were manipulating the poll about how many fans blamed who. You said just over 50% blamed ACL. But if you used your method 93% blamed SISUE.......yet you never mentioned that part once.

Then you tell us you do an unskilled job that pays you over 100k a year :laugh:

Didn't ACL move to put us into admin to save us from being liquidated, then rejected the CVA anyway to liquidate Ltd?


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[skybluefred]

They didn't sign it, it was a pre-existing contract. Are you saying it was a good deal?

They had a choice--if they didn't like it they should have renegotiated it before buying CCFC. That would have been good business practice--Oops I forgot it was sisu conducting the business--no chance of good business practice there then.

 

[ccfc92]

cba to read through all this, but I assume Waggot is enemy number one now? :slap:

 

[ccfc92]

They didn't sign it, it was a pre-existing contract. Are you saying it was a good deal?

They had a choice--if they didn't like it they should have renegotiated it before buying CCFC. That would have been good business practice--Oops I forgot it was sisu conducting the business--no chance of good business practice there then.

very key point.

that's like me accepting to rent your house for £1000 a month, then saying oh no I'll pay £250, and if you say no, i'll stay here rent free, and expect the house to be given to me

 

[WillieStanley]

very key point.

that's like me accepting to rent your house for £1000 a month, then saying oh no I'll pay £250, and if you say no, i'll stay here rent free, and expect the house to be given to me

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud.

 

[valiant15]

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud.

Politics again Zzzzzzz.

 

[skybluetony176]

if restructuring the club was priority when they took over why did it take administration to do it?

 

[zuni]

Politics again Zzzzzzz.

that is a good post, imho.....
heh actually meant the previous one

 

[Tonylinc]

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud.

You seem to have conveniently forgot to mention the offers made to Shitzu which they turned down only to pay more rent in Northampton.

 

[WillieStanley]

if restructuring the club was priority when they took over why did it take administration to do it?

When those minutes of the first SISU lead board meeting were released, wasn't the restructure item number one? It was a while ago so I stand to be corrected, but restructuring did take place - with the loss of SBS&L?

And Valient - politics are important. They help determine what is important to a person or an organisation.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud.

Are you still labouring under the misunderstanding that this is anything other that about the freehold of the Ricoh? If not, on what basis, and what negotiations could have been entered into by either CCC or ACL?

Any level of rent, or revenues would gave been insufficient; and any negotiation in that regard fruitless.

And if there's any doubt as to what it's all about, the JV appeal and the revenue-killing move to Sixfields proving evidence of intent

 

[WillieStanley]

Politics again Zzzzzzz.

I'm convinced I know who you are... :thinking about:

 

[wince]

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud

What a load of rubbish, what circumstance changed for sisu,? what do you mean the rent wasn't prioritised , you can not sign agreements and then just rip them up, if I asked sisu last year half way throu the season for my season ticket back beacause my priorities had changed do you think they would give me my money back?

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own

How correct that means the 300000 or so people that don't go to the ricoh not the 10000 that did or the 1500 now

 

[WillieStanley]

Are you still labouring under the misunderstanding that this is anything other that about the freehold of the Ricoh? If not, on what basis, and what negotiations could have been entered into by either CCC or ACL?

Any level of rent, or revenues would gave been insufficient; and any negotiation in that regard fruitless.

And if there's any doubt as to what it's all about, the JV appeal and the revenue-killing move to Sixfields proving evidence of intent

I'm not saying it's not. What I'm saying is, this is to be expected of an evil capitalist organisation with right wing sensibilities. While I'm angry, I'm not surprised as this is exactly what they're all about.

What I'm surprised about is the megalomaniac sensibility of a local authority for thinking that a bunch of counsellors can out witt a company infamous for doing what they are doing now, for the sake of a couple of extra quid!!

 

[dongonzalos]

Lets stick with the point none of our players will be sold unless we get a ridiculous offer (hopefully ridiculously high)

 

[Jack Griffin]

Somehow Willie is arguing that cruel & expected capitalist tactics is OK and for the council not to give into them means they can't be forgiven, give me strength!

OK back to original topic, I've listened to what Waggot said.. and it was ..

2 to 3 'peripheral' players will be going to bring in players to strengthen the squad.
Only player mentioned for recruiting was a holding midfielder & a general reference to 'more pace'.
He expects one of Christie, Wilson, Leon Clarke to go by end of season & money used to restructure.
L. Clarke has contract to Jun 2015, Wilson recently signed 3 year deal, Christie not signing a deal, agent blamed for this.
30-25 scouts come to each 'home' game, includes likes of Fulham & Palace.

 

[WillieStanley]

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud

What a load of rubbish, what circumstance changed for sisu,? what do you mean the rent wasn't prioritised , you can not sign agreements and then just rip them up, if I asked sisu last year half way throu the season for my season ticket back beacause my priorities had changed do you think they would give me my money back? How correct that means the 300000 or so people that don't go to the ricoh not the 10000 that did or the 1500 now

The majority of the city has been affected by this. Local businesses (Of whom Labour claim to have the best interests of), relatives of City fans... anyone who has a memory of HR or the Ricoh. The local economy, and the coal face staff at both the Ricoh and the club.

A football club is way bigger to its community than just those who attend match days.

 

[wince]

It's not like that at all.

When SISU took over the club, while the rent was too high, it was still relatively managable and so was not prioritised. The priority at the time, I believe, was restructuring the club, bring balance and value to the squad on a budget and to get to the Premiership. I think we'd all agree that at the time, we were in desperate need of all three of those. Next on the priority list was aquiring a share of the stadium, but I definitely remember RR saying that this would come once we achieved Premiership status.

The trouble was that, despite having a young, bright and balanced squad, we hired Chris Coleman to manage the team. That was the first error, and SISU have been firefighting ever since. Not to mention the economic downturn.

The butterfly effect. As gates fell, SISU and the club continued to instil their faith in inadequate jokers such as the Skill Set board, Boothroyd and Thorn; costs grew, income fell and the liklihood of Premiership football and stadium ownership fell with it. The need to address the rent was one of the first items Fisher said we needed to do in his first interview in the match day programme as interim CEO.

Now whilst I agree, witholding the rent and then going all out for ownership at whatever cost wasn't the best way to go about things, it's a little more complicated than that of a hard up tenant in a flat.

Things change - environment, people, circumstance - I'm surprised people haven't noticed that. As things change, as do priorities - any parent will tell you that. Things that were affordable, suddenly are too much.

ACL refused to negotiate with City because they thought the alternative was unthinkable. Well, they thought it and then acted on it. ACL tried to play hardball with heartless capitalist venom, with no feeling for sentiment or community and have ended up losing the club for us.

Coventry City Council are here to protect us as a community, instead, their greed has lost one thing that unites us all and cost me and my daughter our favourite activity to do together.

SISU are capitalists, this is what they do - it is to be expected (not agreed with or condoned) of them.

Coventry City Council are meant to protect the interests of the people, not their own.

Whilst I hate SISU for what they've taken from us, we have to accept that this was a risk when getting into bed with the devil. What I can't forgive, is a socialist local authority for ripping up a community for the pound sign. Maggie would have been proud

ALLmost every point of this post is wrong with fans opi

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Somehow Willie is arguing that cruel & expected capitalist tactics is OK and for the council not to give into them means they can't be forgiven, give me strength!

I think he's arguing it's not necessarily tigers ripping the faces off babies, but a battle of jackyls v hyenas.

 

[Tonylinc]

OK Willie just what should CCC have done in order to have avoided this scenario?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

OK Willie just what should CCC have done in order to have avoided this scenario?

John Mutton could have shut up and stopped some ideological quest to install owners he approved of, that'd have been a start...

Thankfully his replacement isn't so bloody minded (or at least understands the need not to appear as bloody minded, at least)

 

[AJB1983]

Sorry I don't understand this 'acl threatening admin forced sisu to do it first'. Sisu didn't need to put the club into admin in order to restructure it. Acl went ahead with admin order as they had not been having their rent paid.
The reason why sisu jumped, the day before, was to screw acl and the council.

Equally they weren't forced to leave the Ricoh.

 

[WillieStanley]

Somehow Willie is arguing that cruel & expected capitalist tactics is OK and for the council not to give into them means they can't be forgiven, give me strength!

I'm not. I'm not saying any of it is ok. I can't stand capitalism. I hate the word profit.

I love community, I love unity. CCFC brought that, and it's gone - for now. I'm saying it is criminal that the local authority who claim to have the same interests, ie community and unity - are part to blame with intent for the removal of that.

 

[wince]

The majority of the city has been affected by this. Local businesses (Of whom Labour claim to have the best interests of), relatives of City fans... anyone who has a memory of HR or the Ricoh. The local economy, and the coal face staff at both the Ricoh and the club.

A football club is way bigger to its community than just those who attend match days

Havent got a clue what you are talking about