Lying (4 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

My bad, actually he did, he was joint administrator for Leeds.

On 19 March, 2004, Garry Wilson and Alan Bloom, both Partners in Ernst & Young LLP, and Brendan Guilfoyle of The P&A Partnership were appointed as joint adminstrators of Leeds United plc and Leeds United Holdings Limited, a subsidiary company.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/mar/19/newsstory.sport12

But hey ho, obviously knows nothing about it.




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He is good

He was their administrator 8 years before this deal.

I take it back. I believe you, RFC and Grendel Haskell was never a serious contender.

 

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[dongonzalos]

To be honest, he's got that much cash and 1/2 of ACL is that much of a gold mine I'm surprised he's not just bought half of ACL anyway.


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Maybe he thought owning a successful football team plus half of ACL could lead to profit.
Successful football team would be the key bit though.

 

[dongonzalos]

The bit that will make you laugh, for all any of us know he may still turn out to play a significant part in our future....

 

[dongonzalos]

So why did he fail to buy any of the clubs he tried to buy, and why did Brendon Guilfoyle openly state that he didn't have enough money to buy the club in an interview on cwr? He dealt with him on his enquiries to buy Leeds, you have just read about him on Wikipedia.

Hey ho glad your research was better than Wiki

 

[Grendel]

Just how the idea that Mr Haskell could not have afforded us.
doesn't really add up.

When all the info suggests that he has 150 million plus wealth.

Think it is more likely that SISU over bid for their own debt, a widely accepted opinion on here, bar a couple of the usual fantasists as usual.

Also all I can seem to find on Leeds was he put in a higher bid but he was too late to the party. So again nothing to suggest he did not have the money.

Also can I question what role did did Brendan Guilfoyle play in regards to Mr Haskells bid for Leeds?

So he played no role in either take over.
Yet he is quoted as the reason why it is fact that Mr Haskell could not afford us or Leeds.

Yet we then ignore all the other sources that suggest he has more than a 150 million fortune.
That fits.....

Doesn't he work for the Leeds based P and A group that brokers deals for football clubs?

 

[Grendel]

To be honest, he's got that much cash and 1/2 of ACL is that much of a gold mine I'm surprised he's not just bought half of ACL anyway.


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Haskell never made a bid for the Higgs share did he unless it changed after this statement from PWKH

http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/2...n-interested-in-Sky-Blues-takeover-66569.html

 

[dongonzalos]

It was a radio interview on the Shane O'connor show.

The Leeds administrator (From 2004, who was not involved in Mr Haskel's bid for Leeds) has been on a few times and on one occasion he was asked about ph4. He politely said he never had the resources to buy Leeds and would be very doubtful if he could mount a serious challenge to buy this club.

Didn't PWKH say he was a nice guy and left it at that?

The only reason he was hawked around was because your chum Elliot was "promised" the big job. Lets face it prior history suggests that tends me be his major concern when choosing a suitor for the club.

Were you all excited when dinsah wanted the club?

Corrected for you, I am sure you didn't mean to omit that fact.

Maybe you should give up on this one hey

For ages you have ridiculed Mr Haskell's bid saying he could have never afforded it, as was the case with his Leeds bid.

You were basing this statement on Mr Guilfoyle's (the leeds administrator) off the cuff comment.

We now know Mr Guilfoyle was the Leeds administrator in 2004 and was not involved in the 2012 takeover in which Mr Haskell bid.

Mr Haskell is reported to have bid more in 2012
but Ken Bates now life president ( under the new owners) choose the people he had been negotiating with for the prior six months. He has never said the reason for this was Mr Haskell did not have enough money.

It seems widely accepted that Mr Haskell had the money for both Cov and Leeds.

The reason he failed with Cov is also widely suggested that SISU were prepared to buy more of their own debt ( stop the press)

So I think we can safely put to bed your ridiculing suggesting Mr Haskell never had the cash.

 

[Grendel]

Corrected for you, I am sure you didn't mean to omit that fact.

Maybe you should give up on this one hey

For ages you have ridiculed Mr Haskell's bid saying he could have never afforded it, as was the case with his Leeds bid.

You were basing this statement on Mr Guilfoyle's (the leeds administrator) off the cuff comment.

We know know Mr Guilfoyle was the Leeds administrator in 2004 and was not involved in the 2012 takeover in which Mr Haskell bid.

Mr Haskell is reported to have bid more in 2012
but Ken Bates now life president ( under the new owners) choose the people he had been negotiating with for the prior six months. He has never said the reason for this was Mr Haskell did not have enough money.

It seems widely accepted that Mr Haskell had the money for both Cov and Leeds.

The reason he failed with Cov is also widely suggested that SISU were prepared to buy more of their own debt ( stop the press)

So I think we can safely put to bed your ridiculing suggesting Mr Haskell never had the cash.

See this quote from the Daily Mail;

First, it is absolutely pointless harping on about Preston Haskell IV, V, VI....and what he might or might not have done. He's now nearly bought Bolton, Leeds, Charlton and Coventry. (Way to go, Prest!) His rantings are about as hollow as they come.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...runtled-fans-Coventry-City.html#ixzz2p2nH6Xi0
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Just because your mate wheeled him out in a Kenilworth pub he suddenly is going to buy the club.

Why then does this property developer not just buy the share or shares of ACL anyway? You have yourself always said it is a goldmine so why not do it? Why. oddly, does he never succeed in buying any club he has an interest in?

Guilfoyle's comments had nothing to do with his role as administrator - he operates a sports management company opertaing in football finance and it was in that capacity he met him. Remember also Guilfoyle was ACL's choice as administrator

Stop looking foolish

 

[Astute]

Stop looking foolish

Don't worry. Nobody is trying to take your SBT title from you Grendull.

 

[dongonzalos]

I have never said ACL is a gold mine
I just feel someone who knows how to make a football club successful could make money from owning ACL and securing a long term rent deal in the Ricoh. A successful football club in this scenario would be synonymous with profit.

I am happy you now realise there is not a single iota of proof to suggest Mr Haskell could not have backed up his bid. It is also likely you will probably refrain from coming out with this tripe in the future. Or if you do it will be common knowledge that it is just your warped opinion and little else.

 

[Grendel]

Just how the idea that Mr Haskell could not have afforded us.
doesn't really add up.

When all the info suggests that he has 150 million plus wealth.

Think it is more likely that SISU over bid for their own debt, a widely accepted opinion on here, bar a couple of the usual fantasists as usual.

Also all I can seem to find on Leeds was he put in a higher bid but he was too late to the party. So again nothing to suggest he did not have the money.

Also can I question what role did did Brendan Guilfoyle play in regards to Mr Haskells bid for Leeds?

I have never said ACL is a gold mine
I just feel someone who knows how to make a football club successful could make money from owning ACL and securing a long term rent deal in the Ricoh. A successful football club in this scenario would be synonymous with profit.

I am happy you now realise there is not a single iota of proof to suggest Mr Haskell could not have backed up his bid. It is also likely you will probably refrain from coming out with this tripe in the future. Or if you do it will be common knowledge that it is just your warped opinion and little else.

So you can't answer why he didn't bit into ACL anyway? Why did PWKH say he never made a real bid? Are you saying the daily mail article is a lie? Are you saying he was just unlucky at missing out on 4 clubs?

What proof is there he can afford it? How much equity does he have? How much is tied in property? What backers or loan gaurentees supported his bid? Why did the football finance negotiator scoff he was ever in the running?

No answers, no independent observers supporting your view. Never mind.

One more question - who offered ACL the most money in back pay otium or Haskell?

 

[Nick]

So you can't answer why he didn't bit into ACL anyway? Why did PWKH say he never made a real bid? Are you saying the daily mail article is a lie? Are you saying he was just unlucky at missing out on 4 clubs?

What proof is there he can afford it? How much equity does he have? How much is tied in property? What backers or loan gaurentees supported his bid? Why did the football finance negotiator scoff he was ever in the running?

No answers, no independent observers supporting your view. Never mind.

One more question - who offered ACL the most money in back pay otium or Haskell?

Didn't acls administrator also say haskell didn't have the minerals?

 

[dongonzalos]

Didn't acls administrator also say haskell didn't have the minerals?

You have missed a chunk of this Nick,

He has never dealt with Mr Haskell. There was a misconception he dealt with the Leeds bid in 2012 from Mr Haskell.

Which he actually had nothing to do with.

He also was not the chosen administrator that dealt with the bid for Coventry.

So he could offer an opinion however it it probably as meaningful as yours or mine really.

It is widely stated that Mr Haskell has a fortune northwards of £150 million.

 

[Grendel]

Just how the idea that Mr Haskell could not have afforded us.
doesn't really add up.

When all the info suggests that he has 150 million plus wealth.

Think it is more likely that SISU over bid for their own debt, a widely accepted opinion on here, bar a couple of the usual fantasists as usual.

Also all I can seem to find on Leeds was he put in a higher bid but he was too late to the party. So again nothing to suggest he did not have the money.

Also can I question what role did did Brendan Guilfoyle play in regards to Mr Haskells bid for Leeds?

You have missed a chunk of this Nick,

He has never dealt with Mr Haskell. There was a misconception he dealt with the Leeds bid in 2012 from Mr Haskell.

Which he actually had nothing to do with.

He also was not the chosen administrator that dealt with the bid for Coventry.

So he could offer an opinion however it it probably as meaningful as yours or mine really.

It is widely stated that Mr Haskell has a fortune northwards of £150 million.

He said he did have dealings with him - is he a liar.

 

[Nick]

You have missed a chunk of this Nick,

He has never dealt with Mr Haskell. There was a misconception he dealt with the Leeds bid in 2012 from Mr Haskell.

Which he actually had nothing to do with.

He also was not the chosen administrator that dealt with the bid for Coventry.

So he could offer an opinion however it it probably as meaningful as yours or mine really.

It is widely stated that Mr Haskell has a fortune northwards of £150 million.

No I wasn't saying he had dealt with him as i don't know if he has or have, just that he said it. Haskell was only after the land and ricoh, probably the same as sisu but because he wore a cowboy hat and led the trust up the path he was a hero.

 

[dongonzalos]

Bloody hell this is getting embarrassing Grendel give up.
Mr Guilfoyle has never dealt with Mr Haskels bid

The 46-year-old Florida-born, but now Sweden-based multi-millionaire, who has a fortune estimated at £164m, was last year reported to be interested in buying into Leeds United.

BBC

A US businessman with a personal wealth of over $250m (£158m) jetted into London last night to offer Leeds United owner and chairman Ken Bates an alternative option for the sale of the Championship club.

The Sunday times

He is a Walter Mitty he could never have afforded it

Grendel SBT

I know which camp I am in in.

If you have wealth you can convert it into equity.

It does not have to be stashed under your bed.

 

[Nick]

Bloody hell this is getting embarrassing Grendel give up.
Mr Guilfoyle has never dealt with Mr Haskels bid

The 46-year-old Florida-born, but now Sweden-based multi-millionaire, who has a fortune estimated at £164m, was last year reported to be interested in buying into Leeds United.

BBC

A US businessman with a personal wealth of over $250m (£158m) jetted into London last night to offer Leeds United owner and chairman Ken Bates an alternative option for the sale of the Championship club.

The Sunday times

He is a Walter Mitty he could never have afforded it

Grendel SBT

I know which camp I am in in.

If you have wealth you can convert it into equity.

It does not have to be stashed under your bed.

Where does that say he has never ever dealt with him? I don't get it?

 

[dongonzalos]

No I wasn't saying he had dealt with him as i don't know if he has or have, just that he said it. Haskell was only after the land and ricoh, probably the same as sisu but because he wore a cowboy hat and led the trust up the path he was a hero.

Yes I think he said it.
However his comments were given credence on here on the basis that he dealt with him for the Leeds takeover.
He didn't
So it's just an opinion.
Yet other sources seem to suggest he had more than enough.
Also it is documented nowhere that he failed with either bid due to not having the cash.
So it has been banded about in here that he could not afford it. When we dig into that a little deeper this is all based on an off the cuff comment by someone who has had no dealings with him or his bids.

 

[dongonzalos]

Where does that say he has never ever dealt with him? I don't get it?

Paul Appleton dealt with his bid for Coventry
Mr bates dealt with his bid for Leeds.

Brendan Guilfoyle was involved with the 2004 Leeds administration
He would have dealt with Mr Haskell if he was the chosen administrator for Coventry.

 

[Astute]

So you can't answer why he didn't bit into ACL anyway? Why did PWKH say he never made a real bid? Are you saying the daily mail article is a lie? Are you saying he was just unlucky at missing out on 4 clubs?

What proof is there he can afford it? How much equity does he have? How much is tied in property? What backers or loan gaurentees supported his bid? Why did the football finance negotiator scoff he was ever in the running?

No answers, no independent observers supporting your view. Never mind.

One more question - who offered ACL the most money in back pay otium or Haskell?

Which bid are you going on about Grendull? I take it you mean the last time SISUE put us into admin where they had moved anything of value out of LTD and all that was remaining was a rental agreement, a tax bill that had been put in there as well as other debts? And at the time nobody other than SISUE knew what they were bidding for. And SISUE could bid what they wanted as they were only handing over an IOU as they were paying themselves.

Strangely enough it also stopped them from having to publish their accounts again. Just like the liquidation of LTD is doing.

 

[Nick]

Paul Appleton dealt with his bid for Coventry
Mr bates dealt with his bid for Leeds.

Brendan Guilfoyle was involved with the 2004 Leeds administration
He would have dealt with Mr Haskell if he was the chosen administrator for Coventry.

Did he say he dealt with him during an administration?

 

[dongonzalos]

Did he say he dealt with him during an administration?

No people on here did
Giving credence to his comment

 

[Nick]

No people on here did
Giving credence to his comment

How can you take credence away without knowing if he has or not? If he hasn't why would he lie?

 

[dongonzalos]

How can you take credence away without knowing if he has or not? If he hasn't why would he lie?

He hasn't lied
He has not dealt with him
People on here said he had had, he didn't

His is just an opinion.

 

[chiefdave]

Are we really suggesting that a guy worth £164m couldn't afford to buy the club? How would Guilfoyle know if he had the money anyway, he would never have had any reason to need to see proof of funds from PH4.

People worth that much can generally get their hands on a fair bit of cash if needed, either by liquidating assets or through loans. They also tend to know a lot of other rich people, was it ever said that it was solely him looking to take over or could it have been the case that he was the front man of a consortium?

None of it really matters as SISU managed to work the administration process in such a way there was only one possible outcome.

 

[dongonzalos]

Are we really suggesting that a guy worth £164m couldn't afford to buy the club? How would Guilfoyle know if he had the money anyway, he would never have had any reason to need to see proof of funds from PH4.

People worth that much can generally get their hands on a fair bit of cash if needed, either by liquidating assets or through loans. They also tend to know a lot of other rich people, was it ever said that it was solely him looking to take over or could it have been the case that he was the front man of a consortium?

None of it really matters as SISU managed to work the administration process in such a way there was only one possible outcome.

Thanks
I was starting to wonder if it is really that hard to grasp.

 

[Grendel]

Just how the idea that Mr Haskell could not have afforded us.
doesn't really add up.

When all the info suggests that he has 150 million plus wealth.

Think it is more likely that SISU over bid for their own debt, a widely accepted opinion on here, bar a couple of the usual fantasists as usual.

Also all I can seem to find on Leeds was he put in a higher bid but he was too late to the party. So again nothing to suggest he did not have the money.

Also can I question what role did did Brendan Guilfoyle play in regards to Mr Haskells bid for Leeds?

Paul Appleton dealt with his bid for Coventry
Mr bates dealt with his bid for Leeds.

Brendan Guilfoyle was involved with the 2004 Leeds administration
He would have dealt with Mr Haskell if he was the chosen administrator for Coventry.

So ken bates dealt with the bids as an individual with no help from an independent football finance body? Such as a Leeds based firm headed by Brendan guilfoyle? Bates did it s by himself?

 

[dongonzalos]

So ken bates dealt with the bids as an individual with no help from an independent football finance body? Such as a Leeds based firm headed by Brendan guilfoyle? Bates did it s by himself?

Now this is getting a tad desperate.

 

[chiefdave]

Why would Bates have consulted an administration specialist when not in administration? I'm sure he would have spoken to others but isn't it more likely that the people he spoke to would have been those more used to dealing with takeovers rather than administration.

Is there any actual evidence that Guilfoyle was involved in the most recent Leeds takeover or has ever worked on an administration involving PH4?

 

[dongonzalos]

Why would Bates have consulted an administration specialist when not in administration? I'm sure he would have spoken to others but isn't it more likely that the people he spoke to would have been those more used to dealing with takeovers rather than administration.

Is there any actual evidence that Guilfoyle was involved in the most recent Leeds takeover or has ever worked on an administration involving PH4?

No there isn't. Not a single shred if evidence.

Bates has plenty of experience in this field as do his lawyers. He will have financial experts he has relied upon in all is deals.

 

[wingy]

Do any of us know the Motivations/Machinations of why Guilfoyle made public that point of view? It did'nt necessarily have to be to discredit him.

 

[dongonzalos]

Do any of us know the Motivations/Machinations of why Guilfoyle made public that point of view? It did'nt necessarily have to be to discredit him.

I think it was just Guilfoyle's opinion from the outside.

However over time for some in here it has been rattled off as if it was fact.

Then when you question where this fact comes from

They mention Mr Guilfoyle's name as the man involved in Haskell's previous deal with Leeds.

Which we now know is incorrect and hopefully we can put that to bed.

 

[dongonzalos]

If ACL can consistently break even.

Do you think the council will be prepared to sit it out putting on events and hiring the facility out.

Until SISU either sell the club in order to try and grab back as much of their debt as they can.

Or as most do not believe

Actually build their stadium. At such point the council then make a long term decision about the Ricoh?

 

[dongonzalos]

If ACL can consistently break even.

Do you think the council will be prepared to sit it out putting on events and hiring the facility out.

Until SISU either sell the club in order to try and grab back as much of their debt as they can.

Or as most do not believe

Actually build their stadium. At such point the council then make a long term decision about the Ricoh?

As in could Mr Haskell just wait if nothing else comes up. Then if SISU decide not to go ahead with the new stadium could he just bid to them the amount he bid in the administration process.

 

[chiefdave]

Do any of us know the Motivations/Machinations of why Guilfoyle made public that point of view? It did'nt necessarily have to be to discredit him.

Probably just him giving an opinion off the cuff, none of us really knows yet people want to take his opinion as fact when it suits their argument.