Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
Thanks for you input.
Thanks for you input.
The obvious solution to me is that sisu piss off.
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
It's a different Council, without an existing 33,000 seat stadium within it's boundaries.
Other City's have a use for those stadiums, in other words they have tenants - they are being used, therefore there is a need for other stadiums....The Ricoh is not being used.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
So you're agreeing with me than that SISU have made no attempt to locate the stadium in the city. Why would it be denied on the ground of sustainability, ecological and Environment issues and could you also explain why this issues only relate to Coventry and not to anywhere in the 'Coventry area' or indeed in the rest of the country where other clubs seem able to build grounds in the location they take the name from, even in cities where there are exisiting grounds.
This makes little sense. It is reasonable to suggest that any past offer would still be valid. Here's a radical idea, why doesn't someone from SISU phone up ACL and ask if the offer is still available. Why haven't they done that? It's almost as if they aren't interested. What reason could there possibly be for not accepting the short term offer currently on the table if they really are going to build a new stadium. You mention FFP, how do the figures stack up playing the next 5 years or more at Sixfields?
We've seen an artists impression so are you saying that has no relation to what will be in the plans because I can see no facilities on the artists impression that would generate non matchday incomes at a level comparable to the Ricoh. Seems a bit strange that you can state we need these income streams yet when challenged you state I can't comment on them as I don't know what they will be!
If it's obvious maybe you could explain it. How is it better to spend tens of millions on a new stadium yet not make an offer to buy the Ricoh. Can you explain how CCFC will be better off financially paying back loans from SISU related companies (the interest on these loans is already more annually than the rent at the Ricoh ever was), can you explain where the funding is coming from and the ownership structure. How many years will it be until we are better off financially than we would have been through purchasing ACL, remember to take into account the millions being lost while we play at Sixfields.
Will you Fuck Off with this Nuneaton shit .
We are not being moved to Nuneaton
They are on about BEDWORTH different Town
and should be contacting Bedworth United.
I am from Beduff and support Coventry City its in the Fucking name
If i wanted to support a team in Bedworth then i would support United
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Just a slight overreation then! Point still stands just substitute Bedworth United in place of Nuneaton Town. Although as Nuneaton Town are covered by the same council that this site is located in I'm sure they could also raise an objection if they so wished.
skybluebeduff
Well-Known Member
I live in Bedworth, and I've also lived in Exhall. It may come under the Nun&bed council, but on any postal address in Exhall, it comes under Coventry! Still I don't want a new stadium, i should be happy that it potentially would be a stone through away, but the Ricoh is too..
Rusty Trombone
Well-Known Member
If I'm reading the reports correctly a summary is, Nuneaton and Bedworth haven't said yes or no to an approach, so people are assuming yes. Based on this yes assumption, a bare piece of land has been spotted, and the Telegraph are suggesting that (self generated) speculation is mounting that this might be the place for a new ground. SISU aren't commenting.
So compared to the position we were in last week, we only know for fact that all the Councils that have replied have said no approach has been made.
So compared to the position we were in last week, we only know for fact that all the Councils that have replied have said no approach has been made.
jesus-wept
New Member
I believe new stadia need Government approval from the Secretary of State, I was wondering if that was stadia of a certain size, hence a crowd limit if 12500. Did the Butts Park arena with an initial capacity of 4500 need approval I don't think it did. But lets rememer sisu have form for allowing gossip, tittle tattle and rumour to circulate they are good at it. Remember the which ground will we be using mantra last summer, Bescott, St Andrews, Nene Park. The only ground not mentioned was Sixfields ! Is Hawkesbury red herring ? bit of a diversion.
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ArchieLittle
New Member
Bedworth and Nuneaton statement
http://www.nuneatonandbedworth.gov.uk/news/article/338/statement_regarding_media_speculation
http://www.nuneatonandbedworth.gov.uk/news/article/338/statement_regarding_media_speculation
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
That's about it. What we do know for a fact that we didn't before is that both Labovich and Fisher have outright lied when they have stated they have been talking about the proposed new stadium with 2 councils.
Not sure if this is the only available site in N&B but it seems very unlikley they would be allowed to build there. Think N&B council need to be pushed by the trust and the telegraph to provide a decent response.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
So they've spoken to N&B council but nothing has happened since. That seems at odds with Labovich and Fisher banging on about the councils in question falling over themselves in excitement at how much money this would bring in for them and wanting economic assesments. You could almost say SISU have been talking a load of BS and none of it is true.
So add N&B to the list yesterday of local council areas where the new stadium isn't going to be located and we're not left with much.
Rusty Trombone
Well-Known Member
[h=1]Statement Regarding Media Speculation[/h]Published Thursday 9th January 2014
Following speculation in the media about a potential application to build a football stadium in the Borough, the Leader of the Council has issued a statement.
"As per our previous statement, the Council's policy, along with data protection laws, mean that we never confirm or deny speculation on conversations that may or may not have taken place between officers and third parties.
"However, in this instance the third party developer has released information that has enabled the media to deduce through a process of elimination that we have been approached.
" Under those circumstances I can confirm that an enquiry has been made by a developer to Council officers, however this was of a very speculative nature and at an early stage. Since that initial exploratory contact we have received no further approach and we are therefore not considering any proposal for any particular location."
Leader of the Council, Councillor Dennis Harvey.
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Following speculation in the media about a potential application to build a football stadium in the Borough, the Leader of the Council has issued a statement.
"As per our previous statement, the Council's policy, along with data protection laws, mean that we never confirm or deny speculation on conversations that may or may not have taken place between officers and third parties.
"However, in this instance the third party developer has released information that has enabled the media to deduce through a process of elimination that we have been approached.
" Under those circumstances I can confirm that an enquiry has been made by a developer to Council officers, however this was of a very speculative nature and at an early stage. Since that initial exploratory contact we have received no further approach and we are therefore not considering any proposal for any particular location."
Leader of the Council, Councillor Dennis Harvey.
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Astute
Well-Known Member
I can't believe that Timothy has been blustering again :jerkit:
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
it comes as a shock to me as well. we're looking at this the wrong way. they're going to build the stadium in the sky, it's so far up they don't need to speak to any of the local councils and they'll make money by selling pies on the plane you have to take to get there.
SISU can't really spin their way out of this. You would have to be a complete idiot to have all this evidence in front of you and still think they're moving anywhere fast towards a new stadium being built.
kevinleftpeg
New Member
The Hawkesbury site ia a non starter. A proposal for a marina a couple hundered houses & business units etc was turned down, after review, for a number of reasons.
One being Transport infrastruture, so a precedent has been set. Building alternate routes in & out would be very expensive & have it's own set of challenges due to wildlife etc. The railway crossing on Blackhorse is a nightmare as it is for example.
Therefore, potentially 20k crowds on a Saturday, many arriving in Cars, would not be possible.
The company who cannot now build there proposed development on the Hawkesbury site will be monitoring this closely.
Cannot see this as a goer
One being Transport infrastruture, so a precedent has been set. Building alternate routes in & out would be very expensive & have it's own set of challenges due to wildlife etc. The railway crossing on Blackhorse is a nightmare as it is for example.
Therefore, potentially 20k crowds on a Saturday, many arriving in Cars, would not be possible.
The company who cannot now build there proposed development on the Hawkesbury site will be monitoring this closely.
Cannot see this as a goer
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
The easiest way I can respond to the above points is with this one statement - CCFC and ACL/CCC will not do business together - bridges have been badly burnt, it is that simple, SISU own CCFC so I guess its down to them what they decide to do - all I want is to move on and have a successful club, if it takes moving then so be it.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Well ACL and CCC are both clearly happy to do business with SISU so you can then only draw one conclusion and that is to place blame with SISU. In the grown up world when you have disputes with people you draw a line under them and move on. SISU seem incapable of doing this, if they could there is every chance we'd be back at the Ricoh in a matter of weeks, at the very least for next season.
Of course that assumes they actually want to do business and aren't just trying to force ACL out of business or force CCC to hand the freehold over for next to nothing.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I agree that bridges have been burned. As agreed with by Timothy. But it is SISUE that used the matches. ACL have still left the door open. But you will still try and disagree with this.
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
I am not to convinced that ACL/CCC are both happy to business with SISU, unless it is of course on their terms. Blame SISU - well that comment sums it up, all parties have contributed to this mess - including the fans in my opinion, to blame one party is ridiculous - after all was it not ACL that charged us £1.4 Million in rent, and would still be if the club had not walked. I agree that they should all restart talks, but while the current decision makers from all sides are involved this will not happen - too much animosity around - we are currently in one hell of a Mexican standoff.
No future with SISU
New Member
£400,000 rent was put on the table a reduction of 70% and sisu walked away
Who was it that agreed the high rent in the first place? Was it not ccfc? Acl offered them a sliding rent and the club refused.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
To be clear I was not saying I blame SISU 100%, I was making a conslusion from someone elses statement.
Saying that forget what's happened in the past and look at the present. There's no point people banging on about Richardson or what Mutton said when he was leader of the council. At present you have ACL saying they want to draw a line under the dispute and get back round the table, including making offers of a temporary deal. You have the council saying they are open to any type of offer. Then you have SISU saying they can't deal with the council or ACL. To me that's pretty clear where the blame lies at this present time. If CCC and ACL are bluffing then SISU should call their bluff, they need to do something to get the fans back onside.
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
They have left the door open because they have to, they have no plan B, the door however is left open for SISU to come back on ACL terms - SISU have decided they are moving on, its that simple - too much time and money has been spent, it's time to move on and get back to normal with our club, and I support this, it's not ideal but it is where we are at.
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
The sliding rent was also unacceptable to the club - so they have agreed to walk away and build a new stadium CCFC see this as the only sustainable option for the club to be able to move forward and be successful, not sure what the problem is with this, it's their club and it's their decision.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
But they haven't walked away, that's the problem. They said they've moved on but what is the point of the JR if they've moved on? Why are they mentioning 100 year leases if they've moved on?
thaiskyblue
New Member
all well and good if they are going to build a new stadium, they need to get cracking, if not get packing.
Sisu aren't building jack,they want the ricoh for peanuts and hopefully they wont get it.
Do you believe in the tooth fairy?
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
How many more times do they need to get around the table? last time SISU met the Council it was on the pretense that the freehold was for sale (Ann Lucas) and it was not the meeting was to offer the club another tenancy agreement that CCFC have categorically said they do not want- so more time wasting, the upshot is...
CCFC - Want to purchase The Ricoh.
ACL/CCC - Don't to sell The Ricoh.
So time to move on CCFC.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
So why don't they get on with it then? We're over 6 months into a 3 year plan and so far all we've got is a picture which looks suspiciously like the stadium Brentford rejected (designed by the same chap) with the seat colour changed and a meeting to talk about the colour of the curtains.
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
Well that was well thought out response - Thanks.
Skybluerevolution (Pt2)
New Member
I agree.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
So make an offer! If they think the council won't accept a serious offer then put one in and call their bluff. They might get a bit more support from the fans if they can show they've made an effort to do anything. At the moment they're refusing to talk to the council or ACL and aren't aren't in talks with any local council about building a new ground. They're just sitting in Northampton hoping ACL and / or the council cave in and hand them everything for next to nothing.