Response to Ms Garlick (4 Viewers)

[SkyBlueSwiss]

I have not posted on this forum for a long time as I quite frankly cannot accept the stance of those people that either appear to follow the SISU point of view, those who accept the SISU point of view, or in particular those who consider themselves to be being "reasonable". I am not looking for either argument or discussion.
I too received an e-mail from Ms Garlick, which some might consider pointless as my e-mail address clearly shows that I live in Switzerland. This is the reply I sent to her this morning:




Dear Ms Garlick,

Thank you for your e-mail below.

I feel that I must point out to you that I consider your actions ill-advised and to the detriment of our club. That you very carefully speak only of “in the Coventry *area*” and equally carefully never speak of returning to Coventry itself speaks volumes as to where you are prepared to position yourself as a self-stated supporter of our club. That you find the actions of SISU/Otium to be in order to the extent that you are prepared to actively assist them in attaining a goal that can only be to the detriment of our club I find puzzling in the extreme.
As an accountant, the claims of SISU with their talk of having to have access to all revenues etc. is utter nonsense. The pie money is not going to make any difference at all to the money available to pay wages, and as a business woman you must be very aware that the truth is that a small stadium somewhere in the Coventry “area” is going to be far less viable than the Ricoh would be under the revised conditions already offered, with many thousands more supporters buying tickets and paying the pie money that SISU laughingly deem so vital to the survival of the club.
You must surely know that increased turnover does not equate to increased profitability or increased liquidity, and that this entire notion is a red herring. Increasing turnover merely increases the potential to pay slightly more in wages, but most certainly does not necessarily mean that there is actually more cash available to pay wages. This has been a very misleading and devious line spouted continuously by SISU, probably with the deliberate intent to mislead supporters.
Quite frankly, the entire notion of a little stadium outside of Coventry being more financially viable than being at the Ricoh under renegotiated terms is ridiculous, and you must surely be aware of this, which is why I find myself questioning your motives as a supposed supporter. Given that I do not believe you are acting in the interests of our club, but are in fact acting on behalf of SISU/Otium, I would request that you do not contact me again as I have no faith or belief in either your sincerity or your being a genuine supporter of our club.

Regards,

 

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[Kingokings204]

I 100% but she won't give a shit. She still picks up her money mate. I share your frustrations. Every day I get more and more down about this sorry saga. We all know a new stadium won't be built except for some deluded non fans. To boost your hopes up swiss. This will end one day mate and we will get our club back. Trust me

 

[SkyBlueHomer]

I also had the standard email everyone seems to be getting at the minute.

I would be interested to hear any responses people get to any reply's.

If they are refusing to discuss potential locations etc of this fictional stadium I fail to see the merits of going to just flick through B&Q (other D diy stores are available) paint charts

 

[mighty quinn]

I have not posted on this forum for a long time as I quite frankly cannot accept the stance of those people that either appear to follow the SISU point of view, those who accept the SISU point of view, or in particular those who consider themselves to be being "reasonable". I am not looking for either argument or discussion.
I too received an e-mail from Ms Garlick, which some might consider pointless as my e-mail address clearly shows that I live in Switzerland. This is the reply I sent to her this morning:




Dear Ms Garlick,

Thank you for your e-mail below.

I feel that I must point out to you that I consider your actions ill-advised and to the detriment of our club. That you very carefully speak only of “in the Coventry *area*” and equally carefully never speak of returning to Coventry itself speaks volumes as to where you are prepared to position yourself as a self-stated supporter of our club. That you find the actions of SISU/Otium to be in order to the extent that you are prepared to actively assist them in attaining a goal that can only be to the detriment of our club I find puzzling in the extreme.
As an accountant, the claims of SISU with their talk of having to have access to all revenues etc. is utter nonsense. The pie money is not going to make any difference at all to the money available to pay wages, and as a business woman you must be very aware that the truth is that a small stadium somewhere in the Coventry “area” is going to be far less viable than the Ricoh would be under the revised conditions already offered, with many thousands more supporters buying tickets and paying the pie money that SISU laughingly deem so vital to the survival of the club.
You must surely know that increased turnover does not equate to increased profitability or increased liquidity, and that this entire notion is a red herring. Increasing turnover merely increases the potential to pay slightly more in wages, but most certainly does not necessarily mean that there is actually more cash available to pay wages. This has been a very misleading and devious line spouted continuously by SISU, probably with the deliberate intent to mislead supporters.
Quite frankly, the entire notion of a little stadium outside of Coventry being more financially viable than being at the Ricoh under renegotiated terms is ridiculous, and you must surely be aware of this, which is why I find myself questioning your motives as a supposed supporter. Given that I do not believe you are acting in the interests of our club, but are in fact acting on behalf of SISU/Otium, I would request that you do not contact me again as I have no faith or belief in either your sincerity or your being a genuine supporter of our club.

Regards,

Well said. could not of put it better myself

 

[Nick]

Hard to say she isn't sincere or a fan of the club without actually knowing her isn't it?

 

[RFC]

I 100% but she won't give a shit. She still picks up her money mate. I share your frustrations. Every day I get more and more down about this sorry saga. We all know a new stadium won't be built except for some deluded non fans. To boost your hopes up swiss. This will end one day mate and we will get our club back. Trust me

Fact Sandra Garlick is NOT paid, by anyone!

 

[Monners]

Hard to say she isn't sincere or a fan of the club without actually knowing her isn't it?

Please refer to the introductory paragraph.

DO you truly believe any of this new stadium nonsense - really?

 

[Kingokings204]

Ok so she just wastes her time for free. If you are indeed right then I apologise as I'm not 100% but she is either paid a lot or if not paid she is just deluded and brainwashed so it has to be one from two options. Dare I say both?

 

[The Gentleman]

Hard to say she isn't sincere or a fan of the club without actually knowing her isn't it?

Did you make this comment yesterday when some people were questioning Ann Lucas and her statement ?

 

[Kingokings204]

Yeah come on Nick. It's obvious you don't believe this stadium crap you just do it to stir it up which is your choice.

 

[spwaverley4916]

RFC - she must be paid by someone mate - even if its the benefits office!! - but i know what you meant

 

[The Gentleman]

Fact Sandra Garlick is NOT paid, by anyone!

In which case, wouldn't it be interesting if some one else or another group get a threatening letter form Sisu then that person could enlist the legal services of Ms Garlick against Sisu.

 

[_brian_]

I responded to her email with the following:

Dear Ms Garlick,

Your surname stinks just like this whole charade!!! No offence! I'm sure your intentions are well meaning, but if you dance with the devil you've got to get out of the kitchen!!! I think you know full well that this stadium might not possibly ever get built!!!

If the stadium does get built, could we have Aston Villa toilet roll please*?!?! Thanks in advance!

Warmest regards,

B***n

(*I joke, of course**! I just wanted to keep things a little light hearted between us!!!)


(**All joking aside, thicker, softer toilet paper would be appreciated, as I suffer from IBS!)

 

[ecky]

Ok so she just wastes her time for free. If you are indeed right then I apologise as I'm not 100% but she is either paid a lot or if not paid she is just deluded and brainwashed so it has to be one from two options. Dare I say both?

£90 -£150 per hour?

 

[magic82ball]

Yeah come on Nick. It's obvious you don't believe this stadium crap you just do it to stir it up which is your choice.

We must have the only forum in the country where our moderator is our main WUM!

 

[lordsummerisle]

Did you make this comment yesterday when some people were questioning Ann Lucas and her statement ?

Ann Lucas has always been a genuine fan of the club.

A shame that so many called her a publicity seeking whore over the Marlon King saga.

 

[Nick]

Did you make this comment yesterday when some people were questioning Ann Lucas and her statement ?

I haven't seen that. I wouldn't say she wasn't a big fan or anything without really knowing her.

 

[Nick]

We must have the only forum in the country where our moderator is our main WUM!

Yeah probably. although it is probably down to some members being a little bit special and getting wound up by things that don't even exist or haven't been said

 

[Nick]

Yeah come on Nick. It's obvious you don't believe this stadium crap you just do it to stir it up which is your choice.

I can't remember saying "I believe this stadium will be built". I just said it is a bit harsh to question her as a fan or sincerity without knowing her.

 

[Nick]

Please refer to the introductory paragraph.

DO you truly believe any of this new stadium nonsense - really?

Again, where did I say I did? Read my posts, when mentioning I always make sure I put IF in bold as I am as cynical just like everybody else about it.

 

[WestEndAgro]

Hard to say she isn't sincere or a fan of the club without actually knowing her isn't it?

Does she sit next to you at Shitfields ?

 

[Nick]

Does she sit next to you at Shitfields ?

Probably near Tim Fisher and his imaginary bouncers.

 

[Kingokings204]

Probably near Tim Fisher and his imaginary bouncers.

Nick is starting to turn against SISU lol

 

[magic82ball]

I can't remember saying "I believe this stadium will be built". I just said it is a bit harsh to question her as a fan or sincerity without knowing her.

If you cant question her fandom or her sincerity then you have to question her state of mind - which given her responsibility as a local businesswoman and ambassador for the club now, you would have to say she is the full ticket. Fandom and Sincerity is all that is left to question! And given her guarded answers and repeated use of the phrase "in the Coventry AREA" I would surmise she is being a little disingenuous with her motives.

 

[Moff]

We must have the only forum in the country where our moderator is our main WUM!

Is he forcing you to post?

Why not start you own forum in your own time like Nick has and then you cant complain.

 

[torchomatic]

Actually. I saw something interesting at Sixfields on Sunday - no, nothing on the pitch.

At half-time me and my lad go on the concourse (though it's not as posh as that) to sit down and have our half-time snacks. We were opposite the gents toilets and there was one of the stewards hanging outside the toilet - he's the big fat one that was also at the Ricoh. Bit odd I thought. He was just standing there. Then Fisher comes out the loo and the steward followed behind him. It seems even at Sixfields he needs the presence of some kind of protection. Not surprised as there are some idiots about.

Anyway, the end.

Probably near Tim Fisher and his imaginary bouncers.

 

[torchomatic]

Why don't we all just email "fuck off bitch" to her. That would be the City way, wouldn't it?

If you cant question her fandom or her sincerity then you have to question her state of mind - which given her responsibility as a local businesswoman and ambassador for the club now, you would have to say she is the full ticket. Fandom and Sincerity is all that is left to question! And given her guarded answers and repeated use of the phrase "in the Coventry AREA" I would surmise she is being a little disingenuous with her motives.

 

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

Fact Sandra Garlick is NOT paid, by anyone!

That is patently not a true fact

 

[@richh87]

Hard to say she isn't sincere or a fan of the club without actually knowing her isn't it?

Here you are, defending SISU again. Have they paid you to behave in this fashion as moderator of the forum? It sounds like exactly the kind of thing I would do if I was SISU.


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[Cheshire Sky Blue]

Actually. I saw something interesting at Sixfields on Sunday - no, nothing on the pitch.

At half-time me and my lad go on the concourse (though it's not as posh as that) to sit down and have our half-time snacks. We were opposite the gents toilets and there was one of the stewards hanging outside the toilet - he's the big fat one that was also at the Ricoh. Bit odd I thought. He was just standing there. Then Fisher comes out the loo and the steward followed behind him. It seems even at Sixfields he needs the presence of some kind of protection. Not surprised as there are some idiots about.

Anyway, the end.

Yep your right, Not sure the idiot needs a fat bloke to take him to the bog though!!

 

[Nick]

Here you are, defending SISU again. Have they paid you to behave in this fashion as moderator of the forum? It sounds like exactly the kind of thing I would do if I was SISU.


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Where did I defend them? Are you struggling to read?

Yes, they pay me shit loads of money. I just burnt a few 20's. I will send some over for you to get reading lessons or a pack of pencil crayons or something.

Also, I hope you aren't trying to accuse me of taking a bribe?

 

[dadgad]

Very good OP.
Spot on.
This charm offensive by a 'local face' I find well, offensive.
It is actually counterproductive.

 

[Paxman II]

So the OP is inferring a new stadium is not viable for our football club and we should simply consider paying rent only to play on a pitch at the Ricoh without any sharing of other monies generated there? And before you misleadingly talk of 'pie' money not helping, you as an accountant should look deeper into what monies are generated entirely on match days at the Ricoh and work out what is indeed being lost? It's not the case of sharing in a few concession stands.

Further more what security of tenure do the football club have just renting a pitch on match days?
Our own stadium would increase the value of the football club and the stadium would increase in value. Every revenue stream would be the clubs and there is no saying concerts would not be included in that. The development around the new stadium is also an area of income...and so it goes on. Pretty much what the Ricoh was meant to be from the get go? The only problem is the football club have no ownership or share in those participating revenue streams.
As for increased revenue not equating to more profit, I'm mighty glad you are not my accountant!

Before I'm called some SISU puppet I'll state that I'm far from it. All I am interested in is what makes sense for my football club, not what appeases the council and their puppet ACL but my football club who originally started the new stadium project for this city. They should own it, in part or totally. That is where we should be and I believe eventually will be. The new stadium is not a nonsense idea but I sincerely hope SISU and the council will see sense eventually and find a way to unite the football club to the Ricoh.

So called 'offers' have not been formal and I suggest we will not see anything new to come from the council until the JR is concluded. Clearly SISU have made a stance and the council have a bigger headache than they envisaged at this point. My fear is we will end up with a stadium under used and perhaps sold off cheaply at some point in the future or even torn down.
Will SISU keep up their stance? They said they intend to for up to 5 years. If as some believe they won't and many of you get your wish and the council do not give in to SISU's 'demands' then we could end up without a football club at all. Gone for good! Try to see the long term picture, 5, 10 years from now.
Support the owners in reuniting the club with the stadium. To do that you don't need to be a SISU supporter but you do need to make our council see sense and show they care about having a football club in our city and keeping the Ricoh dream alive.
Football club owners come and go and if the current crop owned the Ricoh then they would soon depart and I'd be glad to see the back of them.

 

[RPHunt]

Football club owners come and go and if the current crop owned the Ricoh then they would soon depart and I'd be glad to see the back of them.

People keep saying this, but there is absolutely no evidence they would go.

Ms Seppala has said that her only reason for owning the club is to make money. If SISU were to own the ground and all its income streams, what is to stop them using that income to repay all debt (£60m) over the next 10, 15 or 20 years rather than using it for the benefit of the club?

Frankly, given their track record, I would rather not take the chance.

So, build a new stadium or sell up and leave it a new owner to rehouse the club.

 

[SkyBlueSwiss]

So the OP is inferring a new stadium is not viable for our football club and we should simply consider paying rent only to play on a pitch at the Ricoh without any sharing of other monies generated there? And before you misleadingly talk of 'pie' money not helping, you as an accountant should look deeper into what monies are generated entirely on match days at the Ricoh and work out what is indeed being lost? It's not the case of sharing in a few concession stands.

Further more what security of tenure do the football club have just renting a pitch on match days?
Our own stadium would increase the value of the football club and the stadium would increase in value. Every revenue stream would be the clubs and there is no saying concerts would not be included in that. The development around the new stadium is also an area of income...and so it goes on. Pretty much what the Ricoh was meant to be from the get go? The only problem is the football club have no ownership or share in those participating revenue streams.
As for increased revenue not equating to more profit, I'm mighty glad you are not my accountant!

Before I'm called some SISU puppet I'll state that I'm far from it. All I am interested in is what makes sense for my football club, not what appeases the council and their puppet ACL but my football club who originally started the new stadium project for this city. They should own it, in part or totally. That is where we should be and I believe eventually will be. The new stadium is not a nonsense idea but I sincerely hope SISU and the council will see sense eventually and find a way to unite the football club to the Ricoh.

So called 'offers' have not been formal and I suggest we will not see anything new to come from the council until the JR is concluded. Clearly SISU have made a stance and the council have a bigger headache than they envisaged at this point. My fear is we will end up with a stadium under used and perhaps sold off cheaply at some point in the future or even torn down.
Will SISU keep up their stance? They said they intend to for up to 5 years. If as some believe they won't and many of you get your wish and the council do not give in to SISU's 'demands' then we could end up without a football club at all. Gone for good! Try to see the long term picture, 5, 10 years from now.
Support the owners in reuniting the club with the stadium. To do that you don't need to be a SISU supporter but you do need to make our council see sense and show they care about having a football club in our city and keeping the Ricoh dream alive.
Football club owners come and go and if the current crop owned the Ricoh then they would soon depart and I'd be glad to see the back of them.

You truly are sickeningly one-sided in favour of SISU. You say that for the sake of the football club that club and stadium must be united, but you nowhere say that you think SISU should pay an equitable arms-length price for the stadium or for the F&B rights that the club sold for hard cash. All down the line under the pretext of "being reasonable" you have come down heavily on the side of SISU and heavily against the CCC and ACL. Anyone looking at the situation honestly and in an unbiased manner must see that the blame for our situation lies squarely with the owners past and present, but especially SISU, and that without the CCC we would not have a ground and probably no club since years.

I happen to be an excellent accountant and I can recognise financial bullshit when I read it, and financial bullshit is precisely what is coming out the mouths of SISU concerning the new stadium, as well as concerning many other matters in which they have been leading pathetic individuals such as yourself up the garden path.
You just go ahead and believe what you want and accept the financial fairy tales of SISU as the gospel truth and believe that something worth tens of millions should just be given away to these financial raiders or that we really would be better off in a tin can of a stadium somewhere n the Coventry area.

Would you like to buy a battleship for your garden pond? I have one going real cheap. And I am truly glad that I am not your accountant. You appear to be the type of person I would not want a mandate from if you can make the incredibly stupid and moronic statement that I have highlighted above. If you genuinely believe that increased turnover automatically means increased profits, then as a business man you are a total moron. Any real businessman will inform you that your statement is so wrong that it is proof that you are totally clueless about business and finance.
Enough, I came on here to post my reply to Garlic, not to argue with ignorant morons like you.